Wenger: I have money (8/7)

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Wasn't the Highbury Spy the one who said anyone with knowledge of football could tell Walcott wasn't going to make it earlier this season? Or was that someone else? Amusing articles
Nasri...........well who knows what is going on there but the situation is compounded by the fact our glorious club told us this would all be wrapped up before the Euro's! Whoops!
think that was Arsene's fault and there lies a problem. If we announce buys like that then chances are, something will hold it up or other bids come in, then there becomes a "meh" feeling if he does come. If he had been signed without anyone knowing, I think a lot here would have been delighted with the buy but we would have had weeks and weeks of whining about how nothing is happening. Which is why I believe we shouldn't judge transfer's till a couple of days before the league season starts and even then, players can come in for a bit longer.

I do agree with the article that some of the doom and gloom can be a little over the top (augie's Martin's example comes to mind), then again I'm aware that the "hopefuls" aren't always balanced either (the Arsene always knows thing or Song being a solution as first choice cb), however there is no need for "go get Chelsea tickets". I also agree with gus in that the board needs to do much more to win over people. In terms of pr, the board couldn't do much worse unless they nominated Osama into the board and put up a waxwork to Hitler. I understand not wanting to respond to every rubbish newspaper report, they would be the busiest workers in the history of the world and quite frankly, some fans should know better but mistakes/lies like the £70 million transfer budget have really damaged the board's reputation.

I understand and agree with the concerns about certain area's not being filled properly, without a world class keeper I don't think we can anything and I don't believe Almunia is a first choice keeper. People say we can't fix everything on a limited budget, fine, don't buy Nasri or a winger, get in a keeper instead.

There needs to be more balance and a realisation that papers lie and that not everything is bad or good news, that other clubs suffer similar problems to us and that we do have a great but flawed manager.

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I Hate Hleb wrote:
I also am concerned with the way the Club communicates with the fans and the way they allow the media to set agendas which run and run instead of coming out quickly and stopping the untruths before they gain any currency.
If the Club were to refute all the lies churned out by the media then they would probably have to employ 3 or 4 additional staff to track all the lies - which is largely a waste of time and money. And if the Club were to refute all the lies then it would also become quite clear what truths or half-truths the media had actually latched onto. Which would surely not always be in our best interests.

I quite like the dignified silence approach. Mind you, that said, I'd also love to know what was really going on. :D

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Magic Hat wrote:Wasn't the Highbury Spy the one who said anyone with knowledge of football could tell Walcott wasn't going to make it earlier this season? Or was that someone else? Amusing articles
Nasri...........well who knows what is going on there but the situation is compounded by the fact our glorious club told us this would all be wrapped up before the Euro's! Whoops!
think that was Arsene's fault and there lies a problem. If we announce buys like that then chances are, something will hold it up or other bids come in, then there becomes a "meh" feeling if he does come. If he had been signed without anyone knowing, I think a lot here would have been delighted with the buy but we would have had weeks and weeks of whining about how nothing is happening. Which is why I believe we shouldn't judge transfer's till a couple of days before the league season starts and even then, players can come in for a bit longer.

I do agree with the article that some of the doom and gloom can be a little over the top (augie's Martin's example comes to mind), then again I'm aware that the "hopefuls" aren't always balanced either (the Arsene always knows thing or Song being a solution as first choice cb), however there is no need for "go get Chelsea tickets". I also agree with gus in that the board needs to do much more to win over people. In terms of pr, the board couldn't do much worse unless they nominated Osama into the board and put up a waxwork to Hitler. I understand not wanting to respond to every rubbish newspaper report, they would be the busiest workers in the history of the world and quite frankly, some fans should know better but mistakes/lies like the £70 million transfer budget have really damaged the board's reputation.

I understand and agree with the concerns about certain area's not being filled properly, without a world class keeper I don't think we can anything and I don't believe Almunia is a first choice keeper. People say we can't fix everything on a limited budget, fine, don't buy Nasri or a winger, get in a keeper instead.

There needs to be more balance and a realisation that papers lie and that not everything is bad or good news, that other clubs suffer similar problems to us and that we do have a great but flawed manager.
Wonderfully put Magic Hat. Excellent post.

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Sammy,

I don't agree that it would take 3 or 4 people to be refuting stories. It would only take 1 person with access to a newsagent, the internet and a phone. If they come across anything that they know to be bullshit, they release something on Arsenal.com and Arsenal TV to that effect whilst informing the media outlet responsibile that further such stories would result in court action and/or a ban from the stadium/access to players/the manager.

As it is the club have at least a couple of Press people (if not more) dealing with the media so it just needs the club to get it's shit together. I don't see Chelsea, Man United or even Spurs having too many problems coming out to refute untrue stories. :roll:

Knowing how supporters would feel reading and hearing all this stuff - if indeed they actually are aware of what us as fans go through at times like this - it's a pity our club don't feel we are worthy of the same respect. :( :roll: :lol: :wink:

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the press office at arsenal is the largest in the prem. 8 staff. what they do with their time i am not entirely sure. however, not responding to press speculation is undoubtedly club policy, for better or worse. as for threatening to take papers to court for printing speculation... that's a tricky one.

the club's PR is undoubtedly bad though. the press office do not enjoy a good reputation in terms of co-operation with a good portion of the media, although this starts from wenger himself and his 'protection' of the players.

let's get one thing straight. things are far from perfect at arsenal, but they really are not as bad as some people are making out. and what really got my goat and had me sending gooners to watch chelsea is the perception amongst a few that we would be better off with usmanov running the club. so for those of you who do not believe that but are moaning nevertheless, this was not aimed at you, although you were doubtless caught by the flak.

i don't think everything's roses, but i am getting p***ed off at the idea that the club is in crisis just because we haven't finished this summer's transfer activity yet. who has?

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gooner.ed wrote: the press office at arsenal is the largest in the prem. 8 staff. what they do with their time i am not entirely sure. however, not responding to press speculation is undoubtedly club policy, for better or worse. as for threatening to take papers to court for printing speculation... that's a tricky one.

Maybe you're right, but they could threaten to sue them for printing down-right lies - and there are a lot of those appearing in the press apparently. :roll: At least then the club could be seen to be asserting some control over the situation and we, the supporters, would be better able to separate the wheat from the chaff. 8)
gooner.ed wrote:..the club's PR is undoubtedly bad though. the press office do not enjoy a good reputation in terms of co-operation with a good portion of the media, although this starts from wenger himself and his 'protection' of the players.

Surprised to hear that gooner.ed. I know that Wenger himself is very accommodating to the media and they really like him because he rarely ducks a question. If anything, Arsene is probably too complient and there are times when I wish he'd threaten to do a 'Fergie' on their arses!! :lol:
gooner.ed wrote:..let's get one thing straight. things are far from perfect at arsenal, but they really are not as bad as some people are making out. and what really got my goat and had me sending gooners to watch chelsea is the perception amongst a few that we would be better off with usmanov running the club. so for those of you who do not believe that but are moaning nevertheless, this was not aimed at you, although you were doubtless caught by the flak.

i don't think everything's roses, but i am getting p***ed off at the idea that the club is in crisis just because we haven't finished this summer's transfer activity yet. who has?
So it was aimed at Rebel and Augie then? 8) :lol: :lol: :wink:

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Sammy Mooner wrote:I Hate Hleb wrote:
I also am concerned with the way the Club communicates with the fans and the way they allow the media to set agendas which run and run instead of coming out quickly and stopping the untruths before they gain any currency.
If the Club were to refute all the lies churned out by the media then they would probably have to employ 3 or 4 additional staff to track all the lies - which is largely a waste of time and money. And if the Club were to refute all the lies then it would also become quite clear what truths or half-truths the media had actually latched onto. Which would surely not always be in our best interests.

I quite like the dignified silence approach. Mind you, that said, I'd also love to know what was really going on. :D
Does nobody else think that our wall of silence stance is eactly why we are the club with the most tripe thrown at us?

The press love knowing they can say anything (within reason) with the chances of Arsenal responding being zero!

You know how it works.............if they stay silent there must be some truth to the rumour! It almost adds credibility to the shite they spew out!

With regards to how the club is being run I do not know of anyone who seriously regards Usmanov as a viable option. There is room for change however and the fact that our current board is out of touch and out of cash makes this the perfect time for change/investment!

There are compromises to all out takeover that everybody conveiniently forgets as it is rational and does not make for a good rant!

To be scared of and to resist change in football is a very dangerous thing in my opinion!

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Seeing as being selective is the order of the day ( :wink: ) I will say that I am not pro usmanov but am pro DD and am also 100% anti the current board who by and large couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery :roll:
I would like new owners but preferably not usmanov ok ? 8) :barscarf:

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By the way, does the fact that we have participated on a thread in the 'Further Discussion' section mean we can now be classified as 'intelligent' members of the forum? :shock: :? :wink: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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I Hate Hleb wrote:By the way, does the fact that we have participated on a thread in the 'Further Discussion' section mean we can now be classified as 'intelligent' members of the forum? :shock: :? :wink: :lol: :lol: :wink:
Please don't tell Rebel and Spuddy I am trying to be sensible in here!

It will spoil my kudos!

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It's okay Gus, I think you're safe. If gooner.ed is to be believed, this part of the forum isn't frequented by those Rebel and Spuddy 'types'!! :lol: :lol: :wink:

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donaldo wrote: Can we rely on the likes of Eboue,Senderos and Diaby i doubt it :banghead: :banghead:

If Man Poo can win it with fletcher, o'shea and wes brown, then we can win it with Eboue, Sendy and Diaby.

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Don't worry, be happy!!!!!!

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I sympathise with all the gooners out there who are generally concerned about the clubs future on the field. But as far as I can see things are all going to the wizards plans and people have short memories.
A few seasons ago the wizard declared that the first team whould have to experience a transitional period in order to blood some of the youngsters at the club as he was well aware that trying to compete with the lackluster spending of the retarded two (Man U & Chelsea).
At the begining of last season the wizard did state this period was still ongoing and that the club would be continuing to aim for qualifying for the champions league in order to continue to be able to compete at the highest level. I also remember this time last year all the moaners out there where complaining that we had lost our way and were in serious trouble of finishing below the dirty ****.
Again the wizard proved to be right and the moaners where again wrong and all in all we had a brilliant season playing the best fooball in the league again as well as challenging for the league in a season that even the wizard hadn't predicted.

So as far as I can see the mighty Arsenal finished the season ahead of schedule of the wizards plans for the future. so I think we should all stop ranting about how we are in trouble, we have no money and spurs may be able to catch us (as if). We should all sit back, trust the wizard again and watch his plans unfold into a season that could be blinding.

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Re: A sane voice at last

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bristol411 wrote:Great article and if Carlos Queiroz leaves Man Utd then we are on course to win the league, with Chelski rebuilding and an unproven new manager at club level. I read an article earlier this year that Fergie doesn't even turn up to the training ground most days, Queiroz after his return was the real reason for their recent success. role on the new season, we are going to win the league.
That's a point that no-one in the bloody Media has cared to mention- rednose struggles without a no.2....

COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!!!

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Just thinking about those comments creditted to AW. Knowing the meedja I’d put my money on a combination of misquotes, quotes taken out of context and outright lies…

I think the message he was probably trying to get across was that we have to develop youth because we can’t just throw millions and millions at superstars the way the chavs can because of our financial commitment, which is true and makes sense.

Of course the meedja dress that up as “Arsenal can never buy a single star ever again, they are in huge debt, the club is broke, Robert Mugabe is launching a takeover bid, Bergkamp was gay, Cesc is a Paedophile and all Gooners will die tomorrow…â€

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