It's all gone quiet over there...

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androyd wrote:Just a post to wonder what the 'doom and gloom' merchants of a couple of weeks ago think of Arsene Wenger now? Should he have splashed the cash like Spuds or spent 30 million on a hard working top notch player like Berbatov (didn't he shine against Chelski?). Well the collective sum of their points is less than ours. Feeling slightly more 'rose-tinted' now? Perhaps Wenger isn't an idiot after all? Or am I wrong? I said we should judge the team after these three games and whilst at Kiev we suffered from not taking chances we went to two grounds that have caused us problems and did the business, the second after a long european trip which usually results in a poor performance. Are Song and Eboue not up to the job? Theo just not good enough? You tell me.
Firstly the centre of our defence remains as weak as ever - witness the goals conceeded at Fulham which lost us 3 points and against Bolton that eventually didn't - but was an inept piece of defending all the same.

Wenger himself - correctly ! - at the end of last season said we conceeded 10 more goals than Chelsea or Man U often through long balls being played down the middle of our defence or from free kicks and conrners.

Therefore addressing that was a closed season prioity. He was not wrong and this season will show that up AGAIN.

I would have thought taking Wenger at his word was just what the 'Arsene knows' brigade would call for themselves ? The fact that Wenger has failed to act on his own analysis is simply astonishing. But it's a done deal now.

When we ship out Diara, Gilberto, Hleb and Flamini - that's half our midfield from last season - and bring in Nasri and Ramsey as replacements, is it truly a 'headless chicken of a fan' who suggests we are further diluting an already understrength squad by not getting in the extra player(s) needed ?

We've had five games and two excellent away wins on hostile grounds where we have failed before. But before we start blowing the trumphet of title winning victory let's wait until April and May shall we ?

Two further things may just yield in Wenger's favour. One is that the injury list make lighten as the season progresses - rather than increase -as Eduardo and possibly Diaby both return - although I've almost given up on Rosicky.

And Wenger might just act to strengthen the squad in January (Miguel Veloso ? :barscarf: ) rather than weakening it, by shipping out anyone.

Eboue is indeed playing better and no one suggested we needed or would sign Berbatov but only a blind man would deny his qualities particularly when he's being fed by Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Tevez and Carrick.

Still no trophies since Pat left !

So before we get too carried away, let's just see how the season pans out.

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androyd wrote:Just a post to wonder what the 'doom and gloom' merchants of a couple of weeks ago think of Arsene Wenger now? Should he have splashed the cash like Spuds or spent 30 million on a hard working top notch player like Berbatov (didn't he shine against Chelski?). Well the collective sum of their points is less than ours. Feeling slightly more 'rose-tinted' now? Perhaps Wenger isn't an idiot after all? Or am I wrong? I said we should judge the team after these three games and whilst at Kiev we suffered from not taking chances we went to two grounds that have caused us problems and did the business, the second after a long european trip which usually results in a poor performance. Are Song and Eboue not up to the job? Theo just not good enough? You tell me.
it s bit too early to start saying we are on fire - we still looked vulnerable against bolton but got 7 points from 3 games, thats not bad.

i wouldnt judge berbatov until he's played a few more games. i do like him but wonder why amnure bought him - he aint an out and out striker and is more a provider than a finisher, but united ahvent got into their rhythm yet. plus their defence is much better than ours.

tottenham are just tottenham so the less said about them the better.

but please wait a little longer before praising the team for wins against teams who are being managed quite poorly by average managers. :banghead:

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Well it was a provocative post and I am very interested to see the reaction to what I said and what I didn't say.
For instance can you show me where I said we are 'on fire' or claiming we have won anything other than two away games and a draw somewhere we haven't shone in the past even with a top notch line up.

I agree that Toure/Gallas does not make me confident and that we need another defensive midfielder but after Fulham with these games to come did anyone think we would be top of the league? So the team have done better than we expected. It seems hard to believe that Wenger has money but won't spend it but I don't think when looking at our wage bill you can say it's being done 'on the cheap' just not buying into the must spend money to do well. I know Arsenal fans expect a trophy every season otherwise it's failure but for me qualifying for the champions league and competing for the title up to the last few weeks does make it successful. If you don't think so then remember that to supporters of most other football teams in the country our 'failed' season would represent success beyond their wildest dreams.

So no I don't feel silly but I do feel more confident that Wenger still is a great judge of football players and what their potential is. I didn't actually think Eboue could score even from an offside position but there you go. I also think that the first half spell before we took the lead at Bolton was awesome but we still have to keep on doing it.

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This has been pretty much answered by my fellow "realists". But one point that I'd like to further is the one Reb made about the rose tinters thinking we (the realists) do not want Arsenal to win.

We do.

We live and breath the club and are as loyal as any one to the Arsenal but we can also see the weaknesses we have and honestly admit them.

Also, I don't recall anyone calling AW an "idiot". What we have said is that he is not infallible, he makes mistakes, he is human. Our lack of a real Plan B for the last 5 or 6 years is evidence of this. As is his perceived inability to strengthen a squad that was too weak to win anything last year (indeed, you could say he has weakened it if anything).

As said by others; to harp on after 5 games is ridiculous. We were flying like this last year too, and how did that turn out??? :oops: :roll:

The problem is we have a good first team BUT we DO NOT have a squad that is strong enough to challenge on 2 fronts (PL & CL) for a whole season. We will get suspensions, we will get injuries and players will get tired and lose form, just like late on last year. THAT is when your squad comes into play.

Let's talk in May.

BTW - I hope I am wrong because I love the Gunners more than my desire to be right... But somehow (unless AW buys in Jan) I think we will fall short again this season... :(

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The points above ,with Magic Hat detailing the shortcomings, say most of what I was going to say.

I still want one signing, maybe two, of top quality players.

We need a top notch defensive midfielder.

Song and Eboue are doing ok there, but I want more than just "ok".

Centre Back partnership is not good enough.

Djourou might be the man to come in and sort it out, but I am not happy at all with Gallas - Toure.


We have yet to play a big team and when we do I am not confident we will win.

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i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners

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stearmaster wrote:i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners
Bit early to be on grandma's old cough medicine ain't it Steary??!! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners
Bit early to be on grandma's old cough medicine ain't it Steary??!! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:



i have had a bit of a cough since tener so never to early :lol: :lol: :lol:

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stearmaster wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners
Bit early to be on grandma's old cough medicine ain't it Steary??!! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:



i have had a bit of a cough since tener so never to early :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's my boy, Steary! 8)

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DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners
Bit early to be on grandma's old cough medicine ain't it Steary??!! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:



i have had a bit of a cough since tener so never to early :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's my boy, Steary! 8)

was earlier then this in tener :-P

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stearmaster wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
stearmaster wrote:i think we will win the league this season :lol: :lol:


arsenal tinted glasses off, i still think wenger should of brought 1 or 2 new faces in, if not more jus as back up as this is arsenal we r on about, and we are going to have at least 2 or 3 injuries withing the next month and not gonna get tomas and eddy back till xmas maybe later, and this isthe season wenger deffo needs to win something *beer cup not included* fa cup CL or prem.

now lets get off this subject, continue watching and following arsenal thru think and thin and any mistakes wenger may have made in not makin a signing leave till january when he has a 2nd chance and then see what happens come may 8) :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

come on you gunners
Bit early to be on grandma's old cough medicine ain't it Steary??!! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:



i have had a bit of a cough since tener so never to early :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's my boy, Steary! 8)

was earlier then this in tener :-P
Believe me - I know. Before I settled down with the wife and kids it was Ibiza, Tenerife, Algarve etc every summer. Fucking great days - just the lads on a 2 week piss up, pulling some dodgy birds etc. Just great great fun - the thing to do in your twenties. I loved it but am happy now with the family - as I said; a young man's game. 8)

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My point is not to polarize the optimists/pessimists but to re-state that 5 games was way too premature to pin your flag on our season.

My point today is the same as it was in July. A dominant CB, ballwinning DM. 20M should suffice.

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androyd wrote:Just a post to wonder what the 'doom and gloom' merchants of a couple of weeks ago think of Arsene Wenger now? Should he have splashed the cash like Spuds or spent 30 million on a hard working top notch player like Berbatov (didn't he shine against Chelski?). Well the collective sum of their points is less than ours. Feeling slightly more 'rose-tinted' now? Perhaps Wenger isn't an idiot after all? Or am I wrong? I said we should judge the team after these three games and whilst at Kiev we suffered from not taking chances we went to two grounds that have caused us problems and did the business, the second after a long european trip which usually results in a poor performance. Are Song and Eboue not up to the job? Theo just not good enough? You tell me.
Now do you see why your above post was not only premature, but also fecking stupid?!! :oops: :oops: :roll: And I for one don't mind the polarisation of the realists and idiots like this. :roll: :lol: :wink:

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The problems continue.

Central defensive midfield.

Central defence.

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