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One thing for sure, it will make what was already going to be a grudge match twice as feisty come April, or better still a home draw in the FA cup if we can beat the hammers. And we know by then we will have signed a "midfield animal" to sort the lot of em out.
Wow, the reaction to the Carling Cup defeat has been absolutely crazy. It’s been worse than the reaction after the Chelsea game. If anything, it should have been the other way round… what’s worse… losing at home with your full team or losing away with your reserve team? Seeing the team line ups, I didn’t really expect us to beat Man City – but understand that we use this competition as a way of nurturing the younger members of the team, so understood completely why Arsene chose the line up that he did.
The only question marks I had were the inclusion of Alex Song, who has been pivotal to our season, and also not sure why he was picked in defence. With the Cameroonian going away on African Nations duty and Arsene recently saying he needed a rest, it does strike me as very strange to see him
'At least he's no hypocrite': Roy Keane backs Arsene Wenger in handshake row
Roy Keane entered the Arsene Wenger handshake controversy and backed the Arsenal boss, claiming: 'At least he’s no hypocrite.'
Keane refused to criticise the Gunners’ chief for his failure to shake hands with opposite number Mark Hughes after his young team’s Carling Cup quarter-final defeat at Manchester City in midweek.
Ipswich boss Keane said: 'I don’t know if it’s just me – maybe I’m the oddball – but people should just get over it.
'Arsene Wenger didn’t kill anybody. People say he’s a bad loser but we’re all bad losers. I wouldn’t think any less of him because of it. He deserves great credit for what he has achieved.
Mark Hughes (bottom) and Roy Keane (top) celebrate with Paul Ince
'We shouldn’t get too upset about it. Managers are under pressure for all sorts of reasons and he was clearly fed up. If it had been me I’d have been too busy celebrating the fact that my team had beaten Arsenal to worry too much about it.
'Sparky wouldn’t have lost any sleep over it. He’s a big tough man and a good man. At least Wenger wasn’t a hypocrite. I’ve had handshakes from managers who literally just grab the ends of your fingers.
'Sometimes it’s just for show and they don’t even look you in the eye.'
Keane called on the country’s top bosses to offer more encouragement and support to their rookie counterparts.
He added: 'In my time – and I know I’ve only been a manager two minutes – I’ve only ever had one call from another manager to say ‘Keep going and stick at it’.
'I’m not telling you who it was. It wasn’t one of the big boys – he’s not even in the Premiership or the Championship – but it meant a lot to me.
'We’re getting bogged down with handshakes but it shows a bit of class to do it without anyone else knowing about it.
'It’s not about what you do in front of the cameras but what you do away from the cameras.'
'At least he's no hypocrite': Roy Keane backs Arsene Wenger in handshake row
Roy Keane entered the Arsene Wenger handshake controversy and backed the Arsenal boss, claiming: 'At least he’s no hypocrite.'
Keane refused to criticise the Gunners’ chief for his failure to shake hands with opposite number Mark Hughes after his young team’s Carling Cup quarter-final defeat at Manchester City in midweek.
Ipswich boss Keane said: 'I don’t know if it’s just me – maybe I’m the oddball – but people should just get over it.
'Arsene Wenger didn’t kill anybody. People say he’s a bad loser but we’re all bad losers. I wouldn’t think any less of him because of it. He deserves great credit for what he has achieved.
Mark Hughes (bottom) and Roy Keane (top) celebrate with Paul Ince
'We shouldn’t get too upset about it. Managers are under pressure for all sorts of reasons and he was clearly fed up. If it had been me I’d have been too busy celebrating the fact that my team had beaten Arsenal to worry too much about it.
'Sparky wouldn’t have lost any sleep over it. He’s a big tough man and a good man. At least Wenger wasn’t a hypocrite. I’ve had handshakes from managers who literally just grab the ends of your fingers.
'Sometimes it’s just for show and they don’t even look you in the eye.'
Keane called on the country’s top bosses to offer more encouragement and support to their rookie counterparts.
He added: 'In my time – and I know I’ve only been a manager two minutes – I’ve only ever had one call from another manager to say ‘Keep going and stick at it’.
'I’m not telling you who it was. It wasn’t one of the big boys – he’s not even in the Premiership or the Championship – but it meant a lot to me.
'We’re getting bogged down with handshakes but it shows a bit of class to do it without anyone else knowing about it.
'It’s not about what you do in front of the cameras but what you do away from the cameras.'
sycicsid wrote:Wow, the reaction to the Carling Cup defeat has been absolutely crazy. It’s been worse than the reaction after the Chelsea game. If anything, it should have been the other way round… what’s worse… losing at home with your full team or losing away with your reserve team? Seeing the team line ups, I didn’t really expect us to beat Man City – but understand that we use this competition as a way of nurturing the younger members of the team, so understood completely why Arsene chose the line up that he did.
I think the problem is most of us expected to lose against the chavs and thus (while it wasn't a huge shock) the manner of the defeat is very annoying, wheras most of us had a sneaky feeling the kids would come good and get a result at citeh.
Also there is an element of "Is that it?! Is that the level all these wonderkids are at?"
The only question marks I had were the inclusion of Alex Song, who has been pivotal to our season, and also not sure why he was picked in defence. With the Cameroonian going away on African Nations duty and Arsene recently saying he needed a rest, it does strike me as very strange to see him
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Tony Gayle actually defended Wenger on SSN this morning
He said that hughes was obviously giving wenger a load of abuse during the game and that if he had done that to him he wouldn't have shaken his hand either.
I am divided by this, i played footie at a good and very competitive level and had been known to walk past referees and players and not shake their hands because i was a winner and couldn't hide my utter dismay at incompetence and wrong decsions etc. After the red mist had ascended i would go up to the ref or player in the clubhouse and shake their hand.
Equally i have offered my hand to other players and they have turned away, that never bothered me either because i understand what it is to be wound up for 90 minutes.
When playing against the same players either later in the season or the following season we shook hands and had a pint together, its sport and winners are winners and i never understood a good loser (mainly because they are happy to be second best and don't feel the same way as i did when losing).
Wenger is a bad loser and so he fekin should be cos it means he really does care, its all a storm in a tea cup and as usual overhyped but i don't think any worse of wenger, in fact my admiration for him has risen because he wouldn't show undeserved respect to a thug.
That doesn't mean i am happy with the season cos i am having deja fucking vue. Its like ground hog day, I have been stuck in a timewarp for 4 years now and i really need to get out of it
The more insane rants he goes on, the more sense Keane says. What's the point of a limp wristed handshake from someone you think is a complete *word censored* just to appease the media?
upon the Hughes incident : Wenger said by not saying much that it was indeed the behaviour from Hughes during the game that made him refuse to shake hands. Well done Arsene, if another mananger calls you names during the game, doesn’t give you respect. I would have done the same.
If in a game of mine a manager does not give me respect and I have to send him in the stands, he doesn’t have to come to me after the game, to shake my hand. Not that it happens much (once a season or so) but I can understand AW in behaving like he behaved. He can come in my dressing room to apologise but that is all he can do. if he means it or not is another point because I have to write it down in my report and it gives him a lighter punishment mostly.
Did anybody see the section of AW's press conference today they were running on SSN? They said to him "If Mark Hughes is watching this show later do you have a message to send to him?"
LDB wrote:Did anybody see the section of AW's press conference today they were running on SSN? They said to him "If Mark Hughes is watching this show later do you have a message to send to him?"
Jesus christ, how old are these people? 5?
Its embarrasing, shit stirrers.
Is that what Wenger said as a reply????:shock: Wenger should have gave a wanker's sign instead....
LDB wrote:Did anybody see the section of AW's press conference today they were running on SSN? They said to him "If Mark Hughes is watching this show later do you have a message to send to him?"
Jesus christ, how old are these people? 5?
Its embarrasing, shit stirrers.
Is that what Wenger said as a reply????:shock: Wenger should have gave a wanker's sign instead....
I would pay money to see Wenger doing the wanker motion to a Sky journo
In reality he just told 'em that he'd already answered their question about shakegate (you like?)... which he had. It was good to see when he was asked whether hughes had swore at him he just said "you have to keep some distance with these things, i dont want to get involved" or words to that effect.