VforVictory wrote: Just have to "agree to disagree".
Fair enough - but waht do we ACTUALLY disagree on? Look at the following:
VforVictory wrote:Fiszman was believed to be the main player on the board from late 90's when move to the new stadium was planned,
The redevelopment projects benefit the shareholders, of course, we agree on that.
It was not essential, I agree on that. But it was done, to maximise profit. The short term was one reason for a weakening of the team.
Why should they use their own money?
The board went for more money, but over a longer period of time. I cannot say if it was for the good or bad. If Highbury was sold off then we might have had more or better players,
It did not allow the team to be at maximum strength 2005 - 2010.
Did the board lie to us saying the plans would have no effect on players? Some board members did.
But Wenger said he went for youth because of the cost of the property development.
But as you yourself said, the club went for the longer term (hoped for and achieved) profit on developing Highbury rather than selling it.
Wenger was seemingly told what Cole's wages should be, or rather, what their upper limit should be.
Profitable = yes, Neccessary = no. But I never said otherwise.
It was not imperative to redevelop Highbury as opposed to selling it for a lump sum, but Highbury having been redeveloped, it yielded profit.
It could not undo the loss of quality in the team 2005/6 - 2010,
I agree that the board's insistence that the stadium development would not affect the team is not true. One might split hairs and say that the board only mention the stadium development, rather than Highbury,
There is not a huge amount of disagreement in our conclusions about much of the facts in question - in fact there's not too much disagrrement at all really - My view is on the left, yours on the right
* Redevelopment
Unnecessary *
* Extra
Profit Sole Result *
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No Short-Term Benefit To Club *
* Board
Misled Supporters *
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Less Football Investment *
* Wenger’s Youth System *
* Board
Limiting Spending *
* Redevelopment Never Discussed *
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Dan Fiszman For Redevelopment *
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David Dein Against It *
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Bad For Football Team Now *
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Great For Shareholders Now *
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Ended Amazing Run Of Success *
I have to say we agree on a awful ot we have been discussing honestly. The difference seems to lire more on how to accurately judge the Board and its actions, the motivation behind them and their impact. You simply don't want to judge them now. And given what you have said above and throught this discussion I can only conclude that is out of a personal reluctance to criticize or condemn the Board for what you acknowledge they have done and what you acknowledge are the consequences of that action.
You just seem desperate not to admit the Board failed the club the team and the supporters and betrayed our trsu and faith in them as custodians of the club by pursuing a cousrse of action clearly driven by self-interest in this instance.. You neither deny what they have done what its motives are who its beneficiaries and who has suffered for it - you simply don't want to pass judgment on it or the Board for choosing to do it.
This attitude of preserving one's long-standing faith is not beneficial to Arsenal Football Club really. You undertsand much of this and your reluctance to pressure the Board over it only allows them to continue on this course. And yes they are still on this course now, they aree still running ther club and by the looks of itm still weakening the football team by reducing investment in it.. And if suppirters who can see this like yourself bring pressure to bear on them as opposed to giving them every benefit of the doubt still - that CAN make a difference - if you want to. We all can -we all need to do more - myself included. But make no mistake - we CAN do more. Its not late, and it needs to be done now. Yiou are DEAD wrong insuggesting there is no real reason to do so yet. Isn't the last five years reason enough? Is this really how the Wenger ERa should end in your mind?
(Not that I'm against it lads. It's quite informative and enjoyable, in a strangely perverse way. 
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