The US Martin BORED Thread

[olgitgooner]

I Don't disagree at all Augie. I do beat the same drum a whole lot of time because In my mind it's a drum that needs beating

But maybe the real point here is how exactly do you determine that an issue has nothing at all to do with the Board or how it has run the club recently? I am 100% deadly serious. How exactly do you, do I , does anyone decide that?

As I see it any issue that can be linked backed to decisions about saving money brought on some would say by building the new stadium, other like myself would say by the cash flow crisis created by re-developing Highbury, other have other answers too, can be said to be about the Board and its policies.

The financial situation at Arsenal since 2005 forced the breakup of the Invincibles, the implemnetation of the youth system, further use of the over-30 policy, a tightened wage structure among other things.. Just those things alone impact.......

Hello USMartin, how's it going mate?

Was just passing and saw this, and had to stop by and encourage you.


What you're saying is of course accurate, but there are other factors as well. Chelsea and Roman is a huge factor, and of course the decision to go for a new ground made some of the cost-cutting necessary.

What I wanted to say though is that a forum should be used as a pleasant thing, somewhere to have some fun, chat with similarly inclined people, and get away from the 'real world' for a bit.

You are never going to change anything though. Not just you, by the way, but anyone here. The owners just don't care. They never have done, and they never will. This goes for all football clubs, btw, not just The Arsenal.

Look at all the protests against the owners of ManU, Liverpool, Newcastle, to name just a few. Nothing changes really unless it's really about money. What the fans think doesn't interest them at all.

"Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think" comes to mind.

I was watching Comedy Central ( or something like that ) the other day, and they were talking about sports fans. One of the guys said " We won yesterday", and the other guy replied " No, you didn't win, the team you went to watch won.", and this hit me hard. It just made it so irrelevant, which of course it is. Going to watch 'your team', even if you go to every game for 50 years, is just not important. Not even a tiny bit. No-one would miss one person, in fact I'm not sure if the team would really miss the fans. All this rubbish about the 12th man, and all that. It's just that - rubbish.

Enjoy the game, but realise that it is just a game, 22 grown men running round chasing an inflated pig's bladder.

Enjoy the forum, but realise that it's not real, and is just a way of passing the time, and actually totally irrelevant, although it is quite a pleasant way to interact with people, get information about 'our' club, and should be used as such. It should be a happy place, somewhere you can go to to feel good. There's plenty of worse things than the way our Board is acting. Leeds/pompey come to mind, but even those extreme examples, who really cares? I mean really.

Shankly and his 'life or death, it's more important than that' quote. What a tosser. It is so NOT! ( although I admit I used to believe it was ).

I'm not having a go, by the way, and don't take it the wrong way, but I have visions of another



coming your way.

I went to watch my local team last night, and then came back to see the 2nd half of the Arsenal game on the computer. It was nice, quite enjoyable, but sadly my presence at the game, or my watching the game had no impact on the result at all.

I'm going to South America for a few months in the next couple of days, but hopefully when I get back I will still see you on this forum, and will get in touch then again.

BTW, Fiszman is still not returning my calls, the useless git!

Anyway, ENJOY YOURSELF, it is later than you think.


P.S. A famous german - Sepp Herberger - once said...

Das Runde muss ins Eckige, which translated means ...

The round thing has to go into the rectangular thing.

That's all that matters, and even that isn't that important.

BTW, I believe he also said "the ball is round, and the game lasts 90 mins", and "The next game is the most difficult one" so he knew a bit about it!



P.P.S. By the way, just to say, I agree that The Board are selfish gits, who are only interested in what they can get out of it for themselves now that they've seen that they can profit from it, when before it was just 'dead money', I wish DD would come back, but we can't change how it is now, so better make the most of it, enjoy what we have, and don't take things so seriously.

Don't worry, be happy...or something like that.

Good post.

From a like-minded USM friend from another forum. Who is geniune (I checked ).

This is, I think, an appeal to USM to "lighten up", which is very sound advice from one friend to another.

[MentalQuartz]

im out of my tree
im bonkers
time for conkers

usmorton you can go and spout lashings of trashings on dotcom

goodbye mr morton

[Arsenal 1991]

im out of my tree
im bonkers
time for conkers

usmorton you can go and spout lashings of trashings on dotcom

goodbye mr morton

No thank you

[USMartin]

Olgit since you checked with Babu - who I'm sorry I missed shortly after I logged I had an emergency I had to attend to, more a of a false alram as it turned out

Anyway why instead of trying speak for Babu who cancertainly speak for himslef and is a really decent bloke check wirth babu about the incidents you publicized knowing all the details to presonally discredit me and more importantly my views. Be and man and check that with him because he knows all about it icluding the stuuff with Judith Gleiber.

Show some balls and prove what you said that proved about me was correct or have even more balls and after you talk to Babu issue an apology to me on the forum.

If you don't I'll have Babu do It. I could have asked this long ago but as he didn't partcicapte here regularly I felt it would be unfair but now that you have stuck your nose in I chaaleng to prove you not some dishonest coward who will say anything to denfend his views and find out the facts because now you have access to some one who actually knows them.

BY the same token Quartz check in with Babu and see if he thinks I am a troll or a takeover stooge or not a Gooner or whatecver new theory you want to test.

You people seem to think all's fair in alove and war until that's how you're treated. Well you've made siome accusation I challenge you to talk to Babu and to prove them or to do the honorable thing ang retact and apologize for them.

And whether you do or not is going reflect on your personal character as men on or off this forum, not on any of this stuff, because this shows how you choose to behave on or off it.

I'm Waiting.

[g88ner]

Come on Martin, give it a rest now mate.

You're a decent fella when you're not ranting and raving. Lighten up a little, enjoy the banter more, and lets try and disperse this storm cloud that's been hanging over the forum for some time now.

I'm not saying it's your fault, as obviously you get a fair bit of stick - but you can put a stop to it very easily by ending the petty fueds, ignoring the baiting, and lightening up a little.

This place doesn't have to be a warzone - and to be honest, i'm just sick of it now. It's gone on too long and it's stupid.

We're all grown ups - so lets all give it a rest and move on, eh?!

[marcengels]

The thing is Martin - don't you have any consideration for your fellow forum members?

There's enough *word censored* on here trolling and offering nothing. As g88ner said, you seem like you've got a good sense of humour and all - why don't you just give us all a break.

There is no responsibility on you to do anything but you could be one more number on our side against the influx of .com wankers. What d'yer say?

[USMartin]

NEVER POST AFTER TAKING REALLY STRONG COUGH SYRUP

That is all

[USMartin]

Come on Martin, give it a rest now mate.

You're a decent fella when you're not ranting and raving. Lighten up a little, enjoy the banter more, and lets try and disperse this storm cloud that's been hanging over the forum for some time now.

I'm not saying it's your fault, as obviously you get a fair bit of stick - but you can put a stop to it very easily by ending the petty fueds, ignoring the baiting, and lightening up a little.

This place doesn't have to be a warzone - and to be honest, i'm just sick of it now. It's gone on too long and it's stupid.

We're all grown ups - so lets all give it a rest and move on, eh?!

Yes be a good little colored boy and stop agaitain and makin trouble.

The bottom line here is this

1) If this is a discussion forum and seeks to seriously discauss serious issue what sense is there in imposing limits on what can be discussed. I'll work within that but don't dare tell me it's not bullshit.

2) In regard to the warzone its not me making it that way. I may be a pain in the ass and even a johnny one-note but all the really hostile and nasty behavior is coming from one side here. I won't back down in the face of it I admit. but how dare you gloss over it.

3)The bottom line is if you let them do this to one person foolish enough to upset their sensibilities you can bet your your last pound they'll do it to anyone else who does. And I am not going to allow you or anyone else to make me at fault for their individual behavior. People are resposible for their own behavior and that is that - including me. If I say something that is unfair or impolite or offensive no matter why I say or do it no one is responsible but me.

Whenn certain people behave as they have it doesn't matter why they say they did they chose to and its on them and I am not going to modify my actions because the reality its their job to modify their behavior mot mine.

[Naki_Gooner]

Come on Martin, give it a rest now mate.

You're a decent fella when you're not ranting and raving. Lighten up a little, enjoy the banter more, and lets try and disperse this storm cloud that's been hanging over the forum for some time now.

I'm not saying it's your fault, as obviously you get a fair bit of stick - but you can put a stop to it very easily by ending the petty fueds, ignoring the baiting, and lightening up a little.

This place doesn't have to be a warzone - and to be honest, i'm just sick of it now. It's gone on too long and it's stupid.

We're all grown ups - so lets all give it a rest and move on, eh?!

Yes be a good little colored boy and stop agaitain and makin trouble.

The bottom line here is this

1) If this is a discussion forum and seeks to seriously discauss serious issue what sense is there in imposing limits on what can be discussed. I'll work within that but don't dare tell me it's not bullshit.

2) In regard to the warzone its not me making it that way. I may be a pain in the ass and even a johnny one-note but all the really hostile and nasty behavior is coming from one side here. I won't back down in the face of it I admit. but how dare you gloss over it.

3)The bottom line is if you let them do this to one person foolish enough to upset their sensibilities you can bet your your last pound they'll do it to anyone else who does. And I am not going to allow you or anyone else to make me at fault for their individual behavior. People are resposible for their own behavior and that is that - including me. If I say something that is unfair or impolite or offensive no matter why I say or do it no one is responsible but me.

Whenn certain people behave as they have it doesn't matter why they say they did they chose to and its on them and I am not going to modify my actions because the reality its their job to modify their behavior mot mine.

WTF get over ya self ya tool!

[g88ner]

Come on Martin, give it a rest now mate.

You're a decent fella when you're not ranting and raving. Lighten up a little, enjoy the banter more, and lets try and disperse this storm cloud that's been hanging over the forum for some time now.

I'm not saying it's your fault, as obviously you get a fair bit of stick - but you can put a stop to it very easily by ending the petty fueds, ignoring the baiting, and lightening up a little.

This place doesn't have to be a warzone - and to be honest, i'm just sick of it now. It's gone on too long and it's stupid.

We're all grown ups - so lets all give it a rest and move on, eh?!

Yes be a good little colored boy and stop agaitain and makin trouble.

The bottom line here is this

1) If this is a discussion forum and seeks to seriously discauss serious issue what sense is there in imposing limits on what can be discussed. I'll work within that but don't dare tell me it's not bullshit.

2) In regard to the warzone its not me making it that way. I may be a pain in the ass and even a johnny one-note but all the really hostile and nasty behavior is coming from one side here. I won't back down in the face of it I admit. but how dare you gloss over it.

3)The bottom line is if you let them do this to one person foolish enough to upset their sensibilities you can bet your your last pound they'll do it to anyone else who does. And I am not going to allow you or anyone else to make me at fault for their individual behavior. People are resposible for their own behavior and that is that - including me. If I say something that is unfair or impolite or offensive no matter why I say or do it no one is responsible but me.

Whenn certain people behave as they have it doesn't matter why they say they did they chose to and its on them and I am not going to modify my actions because the reality its their job to modify their behavior mot mine.

I was trying to be friendly, diplomatic and reasonable... and you respond like that

But, I thought as much. You're enjoying it to much, and so the endless merry-go-round of fueds and arguments continues... and will no doubt never end

Oh, what's the point

[frankbutcher]

We need someone from the Forum to negotiate a truce. That person needs to be respected, balanced in their views and willing to mediate over a potentially lengthy period of debating.

Of all the characters on the Forum, step forward.....

Flash Gunner.

[USMartin]

No I'm not enjoying it really.

I just think that discussion forums are for discussing "everything but"

And Like I say I didn't do anything to justify certain things said and done by other people and I'm not going to just let them get away with that and you shouldn't either.

It's not my fault if somebody chooses to present innaccurate or incomplete infiormation as fact, is it? It's not my fault if people deliberately characterize you as someone you in fact are not just to undermine your credibility, is it? The people who do and say these things chose to do so and nothing I did or said made them do it and I am tired of this wjhy don't you just cooperate when you don't have the decency to even say to them their behavior was dead wrong and they should apologize for it.

Two questions - how would you feel if they did that stuff to you and how would you feel if people suggested you were at fault because your views somehow left them no choice?

[USMartin]

g88ner I do apolgize if you felt I was having a go.

I understand a bit - the "how dare you..." part But seriously How can you honestly expect me to let certain people get away with behavior that face-to-face would end a LOT worse.

I'm genuinely sorry, but seriously you have no right to tell me I should just accept their mis-teatment without any question and alter my behavior to appease them when their behavior was wrong no matter what I did.

You dget all over me for putting words in people's mouths even when I'm not but when the deliberately mis-represent facts about me have nothing to say then expect me to seriosuly consider your advice. Yoou do realize that's really not a sensible approach I hope.

[g88ner]

No I'm not enjoying it really.

Good, that's great news. In that case, a solution/truce can surely be found!

It's not my fault if somebody chooses to present innaccurate or incomplete infiormation as fact, is it? It's not my fault if people deliberately characterize you as someone you in fact are not just to undermine your credibility, is it? The people who do and say these things chose to do so and nothing I did or said made them do it and I am tired of this wjhy don't you just cooperate when you don't have the decency to even say to them their behavior was dead wrong and they should apologize for it.

To be honest, I just don't care if it's your fault or not anymore. It's been an endless merry-go-round of fueds and arguments, and there's no end in sight.

You say you want an apology, but get real - it ain't coming. Yes, you get baited a lot, but be the bigger person and stop engaging them in petty fueds and tit-for-tat arguments. You're a decent chap, and an intelligent adult... this can't be much fun for you either.

Two questions - how would you feel if they did that stuff to you and how would you feel if people suggested you were at fault because your views somehow left them no choice?

I'd like to think I'd be able to deal with it discretely without it having such a negative impact on the forum. PM people you're fueding with and try and find a middle ground. It's not right to drag it out into the forum proper. People have had enough of it now.

It can't go on like this, so compromise and find a way to live with each other.

We've exchanged many pm's in the past, and you always come across as a decent, friendly chap. If you pm Olgit, Chippy (for example) and the others, then maybe - just maybe - a middle ground can be found. You don't have to like each other... just not bait each other to the detriment of the forum and the natural flow that it has (and yes, I'm aware I've hardly been an innocent bystander)

Compromise - it's not a dirty word. Or at least give it a go!

[USMartin]

We need someone from the Forum to negotiate a truce. That person needs to be respected, balanced in their views and willing to mediate over a potentially lengthy period of debating.

Of all the characters on the Forum, step forward.....

Flash Gunner.

First who's the lady in the avatar - just curious.

Second. I'm willing to play ball and stay in my own threads if they aren't just zapped as repeat threads, although how you can have serious discussions about anything is a really mind-boggling concept, sort of like Augie saying the laess you talk about the Board the more willing people are to think about them

THird did you look at that thread in the Basement? And if you did did you notice how similar some of the behavior on there was to on here? And that is solely down to those individuals choosing to behave that way amd I won't take responsibility for that and it's really annoying that it's implied that I should and that I should do the work to change their behavior. Just once I'd like to see one of you tell them they need to stoop being such assholes. Well you don't have to say it that way, but it needs to be asaid a bit more strongly than it has because they are choosing to carry on the same way and it's up to them to change that, not me.