BSM March before Swansea

[gunner_ace]

'im a super supporter because I blog ivory towers'

what does that mean?

A Phrase ive just coined. Ha. Basically all these blog writers and twitter accounts who have thousands of sheep followers, think their opinion on all matters Arsenal is the correct one and only one that counts. i.e. they somehow think they are a cut above us johnny 5 pints in the 12 pins mere mortal supporters.

[augie]

'im a super supporter because I blog ivory towers'

what does that mean?

A Phrase ive just coined. Ha. Basically all these blog writers and twitter accounts who have thousands of sheep followers, think their opinion on all matters Arsenal is the correct one and only one that counts. i.e. they somehow think they are a cut above us johnny 5 pints in the 12 pins mere mortal supporters.

Otherwise known as "arseblogger"

[SteveO 35]

The anti-Usmanov banner was a long time ago ,and I have gone on record to say that this was a mistake by REDaction, and REDaction should never have got involved in such a subject, but there were reasons why it happened at the time.

Yes and those reasons were fooling for uninformed bullshit rumours about Usmanov's sources of wealth, not understanding the difference between a debt and equity based financing model, and believing the club's brainwashing that FFP was about to save the day and that evil Alisher would come along and spoil the party

Some of us of course didn't have our brains removed when we were 3 years old and took the time to understand that Chelsea operate to a debt free model and are able to make our own informed decisions based around facts rather than produce banners on the back of scaremongering

Those are not the reasons I am referring to, but thanks for the lecture anyway.

You're most welcome. Feel free to respond with 'the reasons' and why you arrived at an informed decision that backing Kroenke's private equity style model of keeping a business levered with debt, starving it of investment for 3 years while Rome burns before flipping it to the next buyer, was a better bet than having a high wealth individual that would invest substantially more money, convert debt to equity and build a club to truly rival the best in Europe.

I'm all ears. I'm sure there was a real, detailed reasoned argument behind all the 'hate Usmanov' judging by the care in the community brigade brandishing the banners

Please refer to my previous response.

Err....can't see it. All I see is a comment saying there were reasons for it at the time - nothing else on this thread that explains what those reasons at the time were.

Please.....

[begeegs]

Well - it appears that other blogs are going to start misrepresenting what the march is all about. I tried my best to stick up for you, but probably in vain

http://www.7amkickoff.com/2012/its-time ... kickoff%29

Yeah - I know that some don't bother reading blogs, but if your are being punched in the face by one, I would imagine that you may take notice then.

[TheCook]

if Cook is true to his words then if Red Action ever want to really redeem themselves with team Usmanov then how about taking a pro Usmanov banner on the march this time ?

Why would REDaction ever want to redeem themselves with Team Usmanov? I said it was a mistake to get involved, so this would be getting involved even further, no?

I'm sure they are blissfully unaware there ever was such a banner, as are most people, apart from the continued fascination with it on this forum.

[augie]

if Cook is true to his words then if Red Action ever want to really redeem themselves with team Usmanov then how about taking a pro Usmanov banner on the march this time ?

Why would REDaction ever want to redeem themselves with Team Usmanov? I said it was a mistake to get involved, so this would be getting involved even further, no?
I'm sure they are blissfully unaware there ever was such a banner, as are most people, apart from the continued fascination with it on this forum.

I too would like to know what the reasons were for the anti usmanov banner - to many of us there is a puppet like image of some of the organisations "representing us fans" and on a personal level I would like to know if the anti usmanov agenda was pushed from with the redaction group or from external sources and who exactly was behind it ? Somebody needs to hold up their hands and show some accountability imo

[TheCook]

if Cook is true to his words then if Red Action ever want to really redeem themselves with team Usmanov then how about taking a pro Usmanov banner on the march this time ?

Why would REDaction ever want to redeem themselves with Team Usmanov? I said it was a mistake to get involved, so this would be getting involved even further, no?
I'm sure they are blissfully unaware there ever was such a banner, as are most people, apart from the continued fascination with it on this forum.

I too would like to know what the reasons were for the anti usmanov banner - to many of us there is a puppet like image of some of the organisations "representing us fans" and on a personal level I would like to know if the anti usmanov agenda was pushed from with the redaction group or from external sources and who exactly was behind it ? Somebody needs to hold up their hands and show some accountability imo

I disagree, it was three years ago, so everyone just needs to get over it already.

REDaction are not the BBC, no need for a public enquiry.

[DB10GOONER]

TBH, at the time I agreed with that one element of RedAction's agenda. I too absolutely did not trust Jabba one bit and didn't want our great club pimped out to him.

But now? Christ, I dunno.

I still don't trust him tbh but I'm fucking desperate for change. Change of manager, change of CEO, change on the Board. I'd nearly take any fucker that was willing to push us forward and spend "some" money (not billions, but some) to make us competitive again. And no, I don't fucking think aiming at 4th place is being competitive.

I think I'm so desperate at this stage that I'd seriously consider Jabba taking over.


I feel dirty.

[flash gunner]

if Cook is true to his words then if Red Action ever want to really redeem themselves with team Usmanov then how about taking a pro Usmanov banner on the march this time ?

Why would REDaction ever want to redeem themselves with Team Usmanov? I said it was a mistake to get involved, so this would be getting involved even further, no?
I'm sure they are blissfully unaware there ever was such a banner, as are most people, apart from the continued fascination with it on this forum.

I too would like to know what the reasons were for the anti usmanov banner - to many of us there is a puppet like image of some of the organisations "representing us fans" and on a personal level I would like to know if the anti usmanov agenda was pushed from with the redaction group or from external sources and who exactly was behind it ? Somebody needs to hold up their hands and show some accountability imo

I disagree, it was three years ago, so everyone just needs to get over it already.

REDaction are not the BBC, no need for a public enquiry.

I've always been a critic of redAction but have to agree with Cook here. They have admitted the banner was a mistake and it was 3 years ago time to let it drop isn't it? They might be accountable to someone who has donated money or time maybe but i do think its time to stop using the banner as a stick to beat them with.

and for the record i want Usmanov to be a bigger part of the club

[northbank123]

TBH, at the time I agreed with that one element of RedAction's agenda. I too absolutely did not trust Jabba one bit and didn't want our great club pimped out to him.

But now? Christ, I dunno.

I still don't trust him tbh but I'm fucking desperate for change. Change of manager, change of CEO, change on the Board. I'd nearly take any fucker that was willing to push us forward and spend "some" money (not billions, but some) to make us competitive again. And no, I don't fucking think aiming at 4th place is being competitive.

I think I'm so desperate at this stage that I'd seriously consider Jabba taking over.


I feel dirty.

It was easy to want him to fuck off in August 2007 when we were still there or thereabouts and there was so much more smugness towards the nouveau riche of Chelsea on the grounds that we are a proud old club built on class...

Now we're in a situation where we have a billionaire but we sell our best players ever year and charge extortionate ticket prices so that he and his merry band of wankers can make the most money possible out of the club/the fans and also reward underperformers with years of misplaced faith and handsome contracts. We haven't shown any sustained bottle since our CL run in 2006, there is a huge split amongst our fans and a significant portion of real AFC fans are disgusted at what the club has become and by the way they've been subjected to constant lies and bullshit. The only things that remain from the end of the GG reign are the shit quality of some of the squad, the club has ditched everything else without the help of a billionaire.

The arguments that applied back in 2007 don't wash any more for me. There is such a negative perception of these magnificently-wealthy individuals and everybody seems obsessed about where they made their money. Within reason, who gives a fuck? For decades we've had a public-schooled tosspot at the helm who was born into shareholding and chairmanship of our club, is that fair?

I'm not saying that Usmanov himself necessarily is a great guy but I would much much rather have him as majority shareholder than the current pricks that run our club.

Not because I want us to pay £25m for average players and slap them on £180k/w.
Not because I want us to disregard our principles and 'sell out'.
Not because I care more about short-term success than about AFC.

But because it would be nice for somebody to have a bit of fucking AMBITION at the club. Over the last few years (the move from Highbury, the 'lock-down agreement' that didn't last long leading to Kroenke acquiring a major shareholding, Wenger being a regular source of embarrassment with his moaning and petulance, countless insipid spineless displays and constant lies and misrepresentations to the fans) the club has been doing everything possible to move away from AFC's traditions, so we might as well have a billionaire in charge who actually wants us to win something.

[donaldo]

if Cook is true to his words then if Red Action ever want to really redeem themselves with team Usmanov then how about taking a pro Usmanov banner on the march this time ?

Why would REDaction ever want to redeem themselves with Team Usmanov? I said it was a mistake to get involved, so this would be getting involved even further, no?

I'm sure they are blissfully unaware there ever was such a banner, as are most people, apart from the continued fascination with it on this forum.

What banner?Oh yeah the banner that was allowed in the ground without stewards removing it

Who needs enemies when we have RedAction

[northbank123]

That banner is embarrassing and will undoubtedly be plastered all over Twatter etc should he ever get an increased role.

[flash gunner]

and why does everyone in the photo seem to be covered in snow?

[DB10GOONER]

and why does everyone in the photo seem to be covered in snow?

Looks like a bad copy of a bad attempt at a HDR photo...

[augie]

That banner is embarrassing and will undoubtedly be plastered all over Twatter etc should he ever get an increased role.

And that is my point exactly - I cannot go along with the sentiment that "it is 3 years ago and it is now time to let it go" cos the damage has been done and there has been no attempt to rectify it. As far as the media are concerned they will be convinced that the Gooners do not want usmanov based on the display of the banner and a total lack of any word on the issue from redaction since. Maybe looking for accountability from a person isnt the way to go but on a personal level I do believe that some sort of public statement expressing regret over the banner and/or something along the lines that redaction would be willing to meet and support any individual or group including usmanov that is willing to take our club forward again - saying it is over with is naive to say the least cos mud sticks and the affinity redaction have shown to kroenke and the opposition to usmanov will linger with the memory of that banner