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Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:37 pm
by QuartzGooner
OneBardGooner wrote:QuartzGooner wrote:OneBard
You say Thatcher squashed the aspirations of the poor, but
I thought one of the main controversies about Thatcher was that she encouraged aspiration, to what some would see as the detriment of traditional working class solidarity and community?
Anyway, Police warning about clashed in London tommorow, a TUC march in Tottenham (sounds like a fun Saturday morning
) plus demonstrations in Trafalgar Square and supposed threats by Millwall to have a go at anti-Thatcher demonstrators.
Media scare mongering or will it kick off?
Put it this way....she ensured that the poor stayed poor and that the rich got richer.....and she divided the country at all levels....one of the first things she did was give the plod and the army pay rises so they would do her bidding......no matter what....I knew of two brothers during the Miners strike...one was a plod his younger brother a squadie....they both ended up (dressed) as plod on several picket lines kicking the holy shyte out of the miners......Thatcher had regular army squadies in plod uniforms all over the country FACT.
She was a dishonest evil bitch and I really was disappointed the day the IRA missed her in the hotel in Brighton..... That may sound awful...and maybe it is...but I only witnessed the evil and bad stuff that came out of her and her cabinets policies and draconian rule. another friend of mine was a miner (24 yrs of age) a Good , decent Hard Working Family Man....during the strike he lost his home, his wife & children and ended up hanging himself two doors away from where I lived.....
I am sorry for your friend, and he was not alone in what he did in the aftermath of the strike.
But as others have said, those industries were declining as other countries rushed past us.
I do think more pits should have been kept open longer for sure, until they became unviable.
But a lot of blame must go onto Scargill.
He was offered a deal before the strike - compensation for job losses, plus a retraining program.
He rejected it.
His Stalinist ways sold his union members down the river.
Thatcher knew just how close Scargill was to the Kremlin, once he had decided to strike there was no way the Establishment were going to allow themselves to lose.
Even though Thatcher decided to shake up the Establishment too, she did not try to entirely replace it.
This was at a time of the Cold War, and Reagan was firmly behind Thatcher in taking on the strikers.
No surprise at all that troops were used in police uniforms, I have read that elsewhere too.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:49 am
by OneBardGooner
The re-training thing was a load of bollocks mate...long after the mines were closed, there was retraining yes, but for what ???,,,There were no industries/businesses to go to....the training courses were Mickey Mouse courses (how to stock shelves at the local Tesco!)...within 10 months of the mines closing I saw villages and towns become Ghost Towns (that's where the songs origin came from)...the communities died in their tracks...WI groups, mens's choirs and brass bands ended...life and any community activities DEAD..the Devastation caused by SlagThatcher and Her Cronies will NEVER be forgotten. ..they even had the gall to have some mines kept (partly) open as Tourist attractions - So people/visitor's could see "How Black Gold was Once Mined" (Two Jobs to run a mine that once employed hundred's).
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:57 am
by northbank123
Just speaking in general terms now, notwithstanding the fact that the whole process may have been done in a somewhat kinder manner (although Scargill and co should take their share of the blame for that also), was Thatcher really obliged to continue to fund declining industries for the benefit of the workers? I know we're talking about thousands of families' lives but committing the resources to plug this gap would have restricted opportunities given to other groups of society, not to mention the long-term prosperity of the nation.
And when would the obligation have ended? Would the mines etc still be open nowadays employing the same sorts of numbers? In theory now David Cameron could set up nationalised industries that would cost the country massively just as a way of paying individuals.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:33 pm
by afcforever
If only she was prime minister now, RIP
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:14 pm
by OneBardGooner
northbank123 wrote:Just speaking in general terms now, notwithstanding the fact that the whole process may have been done in a somewhat kinder manner (although Scargill and co should take their share of the blame for that also), was Thatcher really obliged to continue to fund declining industries for the benefit of the workers? I know we're talking about thousands of families' lives but committing the resources to plug this gap would have restricted opportunities given to other groups of society, not to mention the long-term prosperity of the nation.
And when would the obligation have ended? Would the mines etc still be open nowadays employing the same sorts of numbers? In theory now David Cameron could set up nationalised industries that would cost the country massively just as a way of paying individuals.
No theory about it mate...it's called the DSS.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:16 pm
by OneBardGooner
afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
I can see you and I are going to get on like a house on fire....btw here's some petrol and a match.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:29 pm
by ThomasMitchell
afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
Well said. Welcome to the forum.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:37 pm
by afcforever
ThomasMitchell wrote:afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
Well said. Welcome to the forum.
Thanks mate
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:40 pm
by afcforever
OneBardGooner wrote:afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
I can see you and I are going to get on like a house on fire....btw here's some petrol and a match.
Any man who likes poetry, I can't see me having much in common with him.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:43 pm
by Steve_I
afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
Hmmm... something of a conundrum, afcforever. You football arguments are reasoned, rational and of course correct... your politics however...
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:55 pm
by OneBardGooner
afcforever wrote:OneBardGooner wrote:afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
I can see you and I are going to get on like a house on fire....btw here's some petrol and a match.
Any man who likes poetry, I can't see me having much in common with him.
THAT speaks Volumes.
Here maybe this will help you.
http://www.nala.ie/
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:22 pm
by OneBardGooner
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:26 pm
by ThomasMitchell
afcforever wrote:OneBardGooner wrote:afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
I can see you and I are going to get on like a house on fire....btw here's some petrol and a match.
Any man who likes poetry, I can't see me having much in common with him.
Don't worry, he'll be telling you to burn in hell next. That's his style. He also makes contributions such as this:
"She was a dishonest evil bitch and I really was disappointed the day the IRA missed her in the hotel in Brighton".
You could never match his levels of intelligent and educated debate.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:31 pm
by Top Londoner
ThomasMitchell wrote:afcforever wrote:OneBardGooner wrote:afcforever wrote:If only she was prime minister now, RIP
I can see you and I are going to get on like a house on fire....btw here's some petrol and a match.
Any man who likes poetry, I can't see me having much in common with him.
Don't worry, he'll be telling you to burn in hell next. That's his style. He also makes contributions such as this:
"She was a dishonest evil bitch and I really was disappointed the day the IRA missed her in the hotel in Brighton".
You could never match his levels of intelligent and educated debate.
that's unfair TM.
I can vouch for OBG, he sometimes has to appeal to the lowest common denominator, for some AKB's to understand his point.
Maybe you should try and read some of his other posts on less trivial matters.
Re: Maggie Thatcher Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:35 pm
by Top Londoner
A bit like this thread
