THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

Wiggy tests the waters by whipping 3 million from the club......nothing happens
Tickets prices increase....nothing happens
Worst start in 20 odd years on top of season upon season of calamitous capitulation.....nothing happens

As a fanbase we get what we desrerve, whether it's apathy or we are too passive I'm not sure, but I certainly don't see Stanley or Wenger being run out of town any time soon becuase 2 people heckled at a a train station or 1 guy rushed the bench at Southampton. Last year I was convinced he'd walk once his contract expired but he's here until 2017 now so make your peace with it.

Absolutely the best post that sums up my thoughts exactly.
Can you imagine Kroenke pulling that stunt at AC Milan, at Inter, at Bayern if they somehow became his? The fans would torch his car and shit on his wig piece.
The taking 3mil out of the club bit especially disgusted me, that was the biggest pisstake of all. Our fans are the biggest pussies in the PL, no question. I mean have a think back to how much they take the piss out of loyal fans at the AGMs? "Thank you for taking an interest in our affairs"
How the fuck can you address loyal fans like that and face no consequences?
If anything sums it up though, it was Wenker's disparaging comment about the club before he came "they didn't play many CL games before I was here". Ignoring that GG actually won the CWC (a massive trophy at the time) by beating a European superteam of the time (Parma), with a tactical display this spunk nugget couldn't ever dream of implementing.
And after pissing on the club's history what happened the following game after pasting Barcodes?

"ONE ARSENE WENGER" rings around the Emirates.

Said this before and I'll say this again, every Arsenal fan under the age of 25 that I've met doesn't have an effin scooby about this club as they've only ever known one thing, and one thing only.

Did I mention that when pressure finally started to build one of our retard "fan groups" decided to get dressed in hot pants and tank-tops and parade the streets of Islington flossing their bumholes with images of Le Cock?

[Mistical92]

Fans of English clubs have no power, unless you can organise a large-scale boycott (something that's never happened, because it's impossible to be a fan and pragmatic at the same time, it seems) then nothing will happen to change the situation.

[Ikechukwu1]

And one more thing. I keep hearing this "Arsenal is a unique club" bollox. No. It isn't.
Arsensl are NOT the first club to have an absentee owner who lives abroad and lied about his intentions, whilst milking the club.
What's unique about Arsenal is the supine nature of the fans - full stop. Let's take a look at the Glazers for example: Yank owners? Check. Domicile elsewhere? Check. In it to milk ManYoo? Check.
Yet somehow, their fans were able to make sure they knew that winning trophies will be paramount. Since the Glazers took over, ManYoo have won the CL, 2 PL titles, the World Club championship, and I won't even mention that other CL final. They have also shelled out a British record fee for a player in a season they were out of Europe (can you see Kroenke doing this?) and crucially, didn't hesitate to hastily sack an underperforming manager and replace him with another.

The other obvious example is Hicks and Gillett at Mousers. Bought with a leveraged buyout, based in Texas, show up once or twice a year. There to milk the club. Yet, the Pool fans carried ok protesting, fighting them, loud vocal marches. And this for owners who lived millions of miles away. They eventually drove them out! So sorry, why are we so fucking special?

We are not. It's an excuse for apathy. There's nothing special about Arsenal's case.
ST holders carry on claiming that "if I don't buy my ST someone else will simply take my place"
LOL. Yeah sure. I can just see the scores of ppl desperate to fork out over £1500 to watch miserable shite defeats v S'oton, a usual bumholing at Chavs, and clowns like Coquelin in midfield? Do ppl honestly think Arsenal are soooo big that no matter how shocking the football is (and it is), and the complete lack of value for money...ppl will keep paying? That's bullshit.

If ST holders started voting with their wallets then believe me, them alarm bells would be ringing loud and clear at Wig-hole HQ.
But oh no, most of these ST holders are under the deluded belief that Wenker FC is the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, and that the world is just desperately queuing up to see Shez, Coquelin, Welbeck and Mertesacker
It's as mythical as that hilarious "ST waiting list". You know the one, the one with sooo many names that name number 39,975 will be rung up on a Monday afternoon, being offered an ST.

I'll repeat: Liverpool have absent Yank owners, interested in making a profit. They're not in it for the love of the Kop.
When Hodgson started fucking about, Liverpool fans started voting with their feet and less than 20,000 showed up to Anfield for their home leg with Wolves. Please remember, this happened at a club with a bigger global fanbase than Arsenal. What happened the following week? Woy sacked. The Yanks got the message loud and clear: $$$$ talks.
Liverpool, a more successful club than us, saw their ST holders able to make a stand and stay away to send a message.
Yet Arsenal, a club with less league title and less European cups than the Scousers..well. Apparently, "nothing we can do, the club know I'm hooked bla bla, someone else will simply take my place"

It's Laughable. Truly.

[Mistical92]

Pretty sure that there are loads of people willing to pay £1500 for a season ticket actually. I was curious about the figure of the ST list a few days ago so I paid the £4 or whatever to see what number I'd be, it was 79163. Someone on my network is 50259. Who knows maybe the figures are bollocks but to say there aren't fans willing to pay the money is wrong. Having said that I do think ST holders should look at not renewing to make the club sit up, but you can't force anyone to do that.

[Ikechukwu1]

Man United announce ticket price freeze for 4th consecutive season - the UK's richest club and capable of selling out the ground several times over most weeks.

That's why Kroenke is a grade A c u n t

Hold on SteveO...how is this possible? It wouldn't be cos the United fans would be in uproar if this happened would it? Maybe the Glazers are just generous kind-hearted souls giving away a cash bonanza...

[SteveO 35]

Man United announce ticket price freeze for 4th consecutive season - the UK's richest club and capable of selling out the ground several times over most weeks.

That's why Kroenke is a grade A c u n t

Hold on SteveO...how is this possible? It wouldn't be cos the United fans would be in uproar if this happened would it? Maybe the Glazers are just generous kind-hearted souls giving away a cash bonanza...

I remember from the minute they took control of the club and saddle-bagged it with high coupon debt - the green & gold campaign, stickers all round Salford Quays with "Love United, Hate Glazer", even the forming of their own team FC United of Manchester. Oh how we laughed smugly at our Manc friends....but fuck me did they make it clear they weren't going to sit back and watch their club become some investment vehicle for the Americans. What do we do, send forward some pre-loaded questions at an AGM that the wig wearing prick and his slimey associates breeze over.

The big difference - and I truly believe this - is that Arsenal has become the club of the business class and upper class. The prawn sandwich brigade and daytrippers that frequent Old Trafford might be the subject of jokes up and down the country but they can mobilise a hard core of old school support in a way that we can only dream of.

As I said once before, daring to stand up and sing in the upper tier against Milan a few years back and we were frowned upon like we were at a rave. Oh, and by the way don't bring a banner otherwise we'll confiscate it.....what a load of old fucking bollocks. I don't suppose this lot were allowed to bring theirs either....









Lol - even 'Green Party' Brighton the most liberal club in the land didn't confiscate this



Oh sorry......I forgot....we did have our one moment of banner glory from the windowlickers.....or should I call them the xenophobic Dave Whelan Fan Club

[Ikechukwu1]

Funny thing is SteveO, I bet the Glazers wish they'd bought us instead. It'd have been the dream ticker, believe me they'd have taken a string of consultancy fees, raised prices insanely and basically not bothered with being competitive. They must envy Stan's sheep parade! A bunch of spineless sheep waiting to be fleeced, pfffft....
As you said, the minute the Glazers turned up the Green and Gold campaign went full overdrive. What did we get? Ah yes, the Jizz-busters that were Red Action!
The United fans certainly laughed last cos as I said, they've won everything since the Glazers turned up and we've scraped one cup final in years. Pathetic. It's abundantly clear that Pool, United fans etc would not put up with the shite our gormless lot do.
Your point about the upper classes is absolutely bang on. What I would add to that though is that Chelsea have the exact same demographic as we do ie plenty of toffs and latchers-on there. The Chavs actually have glory-hunters because they, yer know, have had bags of glory since Roman came! Yet, even with them, you just absolutely know the fans won't stand for half the shite we do (and their wage bill is lower!!!). Remember when Jose, who virtually won every pot going with them, started to bore them? Less than 20,000 show up at Bridge for Rosenborg game. Jose is sacked the same evening!
Look at all the shite performances and comedies we've put up with: 8-2,4-4, 6-3, 6-0 on Le Cock Sportif's 1000th game , 5-1, and I won't even get into this season's farce.
Our fans excuse this crap! And more than class I actually think it's an age thing: sure our hardcore support is dead as a dodo. But...
I think more than class it's an age thing. We have a load of young impressionable fans who curiously, began following the club around 2004 Some others were ahead of that curve and started after the 98' Double season. You see them and meet them everywhere, they've only ever known one manager and genuinely think the club dies without him

I'm sick of it tbh, as it never used to be like this but now it's utter jokes. Everyone is laughing at us. We've gone from a team everyone dreaded facing, to getting "Ole"d by a S'oton team that was ripped apart over summer and cost peanuts to assemble
Until our gutless ST holders do what the Mousers were able to do, and coordinate a mass stay-away where none of them show up for a key game; this shite will continue. Oh but I forget "Arsenal are unique" and "all these ppl will take my place" (the most ridiculous gutless excuse going btw)...

[northbank123]

Few items I hate more than those green and golf scarves - synonymous with clueless glory-hunting wankers.

[augie]

And one more thing. I keep hearing this "Arsenal is a unique club" bollox. No. It isn't.
Arsensl are NOT the first club to have an absentee owner who lives abroad and lied about his intentions, whilst milking the club.
What's unique about Arsenal is the supine nature of the fans - full stop. Let's take a look at the Glazers for example: Yank owners? Check. Domicile elsewhere? Check. In it to milk ManYoo? Check.
Yet somehow, their fans were able to make sure they knew that winning trophies will be paramount. Since the Glazers took over, ManYoo have won the CL, 2 PL titles, the World Club championship, and I won't even mention that other CL final. They have also shelled out a British record fee for a player in a season they were out of Europe (can you see Kroenke doing this?) and crucially, didn't hesitate to hastily sack an underperforming manager and replace him with another.

The other obvious example is Hicks and Gillett at Mousers. Bought with a leveraged buyout, based in Texas, show up once or twice a year. There to milk the club. Yet, the Pool fans carried ok protesting, fighting them, loud vocal marches. And this for owners who lived millions of miles away. They eventually drove them out! So sorry, why are we so fucking special?

We are not. It's an excuse for apathy. There's nothing special about Arsenal's case.
ST holders carry on claiming that "if I don't buy my ST someone else will simply take my place"
LOL. Yeah sure. I can just see the scores of ppl desperate to fork out over £1500 to watch miserable shite defeats v S'oton, a usual bumholing at Chavs, and clowns like Coquelin in midfield? Do ppl honestly think Arsenal are soooo big that no matter how shocking the football is (and it is), and the complete lack of value for money...ppl will keep paying? That's bullshit.

If ST holders started voting with their wallets then believe me, them alarm bells would be ringing loud and clear at Wig-hole HQ.
But oh no, most of these ST holders are under the deluded belief that Wenker FC is the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, and that the world is just desperately queuing up to see Shez, Coquelin, Welbeck and Mertesacker
It's as mythical as that hilarious "ST waiting list". You know the one, the one with sooo many names that name number 39,975 will be rung up on a Monday afternoon, being offered an ST.

I'll repeat: Liverpool have absent Yank owners, interested in making a profit. They're not in it for the love of the Kop.
When Hodgson started fucking about, Liverpool fans started voting with their feet and less than 20,000 showed up to Anfield for their home leg with Wolves. Please remember, this happened at a club with a bigger global fanbase than Arsenal. What happened the following week? Woy sacked. The Yanks got the message loud and clear: $$$$ talks.
Liverpool, a more successful club than us, saw their ST holders able to make a stand and stay away to send a message.
Yet Arsenal, a club with less league title and less European cups than the Scousers..well. Apparently, "nothing we can do, the club know I'm hooked bla bla, someone else will simply take my place"

It's Laughable. Truly.

Probably the best post you have ever put up here

Yourself and Steve have pretty much hit the nail on the head.......it isn't that we (the Gooner fanbase) have no power and it isn't that nothing we do will make a difference, it is simply that we take the easy path and do nothing whilst telling ourselves that the owner/board/manager don't care what we do or say and frankly at times like this I am ashamed to be a Gooner Fans of any club as big as ours can have huge influence - people claim that as long as 60k tickets are selling for every home game then the yank wont care, but think of the negative exposure the club will get in the media if fans organised a protest where they would leave their seats empty for the first ten minutes of the match. Imagine the attention it would bring to the club if thousands of fans protested by turning their backs on the game for ten minutes of the match. Wouldn't the media love to print stories about thousands of Gooners throwing fake money onto the pitch in protest about how the club are only interested in money These are all things which would hurt the club and impact on the image of the club and we all know how important that is to the money men Don't tell me that we are powerless cos I for one would rather do something and fail at it, than do nothing and have no chance of ever succeeding

[northbank123]

And one more thing. I keep hearing this "Arsenal is a unique club" bollox. No. It isn't.
Arsensl are NOT the first club to have an absentee owner who lives abroad and lied about his intentions, whilst milking the club.
What's unique about Arsenal is the supine nature of the fans - full stop. Let's take a look at the Glazers for example: Yank owners? Check. Domicile elsewhere? Check. In it to milk ManYoo? Check.
Yet somehow, their fans were able to make sure they knew that winning trophies will be paramount. Since the Glazers took over, ManYoo have won the CL, 2 PL titles, the World Club championship, and I won't even mention that other CL final. They have also shelled out a British record fee for a player in a season they were out of Europe (can you see Kroenke doing this?) and crucially, didn't hesitate to hastily sack an underperforming manager and replace him with another.

The other obvious example is Hicks and Gillett at Mousers. Bought with a leveraged buyout, based in Texas, show up once or twice a year. There to milk the club. Yet, the Pool fans carried ok protesting, fighting them, loud vocal marches. And this for owners who lived millions of miles away. They eventually drove them out! So sorry, why are we so fucking special?

We are not. It's an excuse for apathy. There's nothing special about Arsenal's case.
ST holders carry on claiming that "if I don't buy my ST someone else will simply take my place"
LOL. Yeah sure. I can just see the scores of ppl desperate to fork out over £1500 to watch miserable shite defeats v S'oton, a usual bumholing at Chavs, and clowns like Coquelin in midfield? Do ppl honestly think Arsenal are soooo big that no matter how shocking the football is (and it is), and the complete lack of value for money...ppl will keep paying? That's bullshit.

If ST holders started voting with their wallets then believe me, them alarm bells would be ringing loud and clear at Wig-hole HQ.
But oh no, most of these ST holders are under the deluded belief that Wenker FC is the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, and that the world is just desperately queuing up to see Shez, Coquelin, Welbeck and Mertesacker
It's as mythical as that hilarious "ST waiting list". You know the one, the one with sooo many names that name number 39,975 will be rung up on a Monday afternoon, being offered an ST.

I'll repeat: Liverpool have absent Yank owners, interested in making a profit. They're not in it for the love of the Kop.
When Hodgson started fucking about, Liverpool fans started voting with their feet and less than 20,000 showed up to Anfield for their home leg with Wolves. Please remember, this happened at a club with a bigger global fanbase than Arsenal. What happened the following week? Woy sacked. The Yanks got the message loud and clear: $$$$ talks.
Liverpool, a more successful club than us, saw their ST holders able to make a stand and stay away to send a message.
Yet Arsenal, a club with less league title and less European cups than the Scousers..well. Apparently, "nothing we can do, the club know I'm hooked bla bla, someone else will simply take my place"

It's Laughable. Truly.

Probably the best post you have ever put up here

Yourself and Steve have pretty much hit the nail on the head.......it isn't that we (the Gooner fanbase) have no power and it isn't that nothing we do will make a difference, it is simply that we take the easy path and do nothing whilst telling ourselves that the owner/board/manager don't care what we do or say and frankly at times like this I am ashamed to be a Gooner Fans of any club as big as ours can have huge influence - people claim that as long as 60k tickets are selling for every home game then the yank wont care, but think of the negative exposure the club will get in the media if fans organised a protest where they would leave their seats empty for the first ten minutes of the match. Imagine the attention it would bring to the club if thousands of fans protested by turning their backs on the game for ten minutes of the match. Wouldn't the media love to print stories about thousands of Gooners throwing fake money onto the pitch in protest about how the club are only interested in money These are all things which would hurt the club and impact on the image of the club and we all know how important that is to the money men Don't tell me that we are powerless cos I for one would rather do something and fail at it, than do nothing and have no chance of ever succeeding

Everyone's waiting Augie...

[armchair]

, but think of the negative exposure the club will get in the media if fans organised a protest where they would leave their seats empty for the first ten minutes of the match..

This "protest" happens every game at the Emirates. Before and after half time too and 10mins before the end.
Surprised the media havent picked up on these protests by now.....

[A11M11]

I have a lot of sympathy with the hit them in the pocket argument but the idea that tickets would not be snapped up is a little misleading . I have used the ticket exchange about 10 times in the last two years and have sold within 1/2 hour every time so there is a demand but I agree whether that stretches to people paying upfront for a season is a moot point.

[Natural Born Gooner]

Watching the 50 Greatest FA Cup moments on BBC3 and most of the talking heads are saying how it was vital for Wenger and him continuing managing us. Phil Neville reckoned it was so important it could keep him here for another 10 years.

[northbank123]

the contract offer would undoubtedly still have been there whatever, and I believe he would have taken it whatever.

In fact winning the FA Cup has increased the pressure on him because so many people subscribed to the view that, combined with signing Ozil and Sanchez in the space of 12 months and last seasons strong start, it would be a springboard for greater success and sustained competition.

[Blood_Gooner]

With all the stick we give Wiggy and the Board, we have spent somewhere in the region of £230 on transfers since 2011.

Funds have always been available to Le Fraud and spend he has. Just that he has wasted most of it on dross and when he bought actually quality, he inexplicably found some way to fuck them up.

He personifies that metaphorical handbrake he keeps alluding to, really.