As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
|| Arsenal’s next bid for Kai Havertz, will be for £60m [Via - @JacobSteinberg].
I always liked you Mc, but you really are trying to ensure that it definitely becomes a past tense kind of thing.
Well then here's more for you
Arsenal are in the driving seat to sign Kai Havertz & are preparing to increase their offer. They believe that £60m will convince Chelsea to sell. Arsenal are looking for more depth up front & are ready to match his current wages, which are around £220k-a-week, offering Havertz a fresh start after a difficult season at Stamford Bridge. [@JacobSteinberg] #afc
Our transfer policy is akin to a trip to Costco. You need a bulk pack of toilet roll (defensive midfielder) but you end up buying a hot tub which you definitely don’t need (Havertz).
What item describes, Pepe? I'd have him down as one of those expensive gas barbecue/ smoker things which you never ever needed, can't really find a place to put it, used it about three times in five years and now can't get rid of it.
Either that or one of those bouncy castles. Great for the kids if you have a hot summer but pointless for most of the year and now the rubber has perished and it won’t fully inflate any more. Have left it outside the front house for the rag and bone man to take but even he won’t touch it.
I have been reading that Havertz is coming in to replace Clive. Why ffs we have a proven talent in Smith Rowe ready for that and if he gets injured Trossard can play there. Playing for the Chavs Havertz misses more chances than Jesus, and has the same tackle as a Eunuch. What is not to like? The only thing more baffling this week than Arteta going in for Havertz was Stokes declaring yesterday.
Because its going to rain tomorrow so hes trying to force a win , we have 2 wickets so far. We need a cricket thread
|| Arsenal’s next bid for Kai Havertz, will be for £60m [Via - @JacobSteinberg].
I always liked you Mc, but you really are trying to ensure that it definitely becomes a past tense kind of thing.
Well then here's more for you
Arsenal are in the driving seat to sign Kai Havertz & are preparing to increase their offer. They believe that £60m will convince Chelsea to sell. Arsenal are looking for more depth up front & are ready to match his current wages, which are around £220k-a-week, offering Havertz a fresh start after a difficult season at Stamford Bridge. [@JacobSteinberg] #afc
So funny to see the attitudes towards British players on here
Everyone convinced Rice is overpriced at 80m-100m, but absolutely convinced Caceido is worth at least that - the one season wonder playing in a small pond, and virtually unheard of before this season
Outrage that Sancho cost 80m as an English player, but Antony at €100m barely gets a mention and looks like a poor man's Pepe. 88m for Mudryk anyone?
As I said before, there is overrated shite from every country out there. None of its your money. None of it is being paid by clubs who give the slightest thought to a sustainable business model. FFP - nobody gives a fuck
We might end up spending 100m on Rice. It might work. Might not. If it doesn't then the same bloke who spent 72m on Pepe will have had a small dent made in his 8 billion personal fortune and earn it back another way. The prices are all a total irrelevance these days
Get the players we need - who gives a fuck if it's 200m invested or 400m
Steve O the only reason nationality comes into it is because for years there is a higher premium on english players (maybe it is the homegrown rule thing ?) - I was against signing mudryk cos it was too much money for a position where there was no need, and by same token I am against signing rice cos it is far too much money for a limited player, and his nationality (and/or change of nationality ) has nothing to do with it. If it was my decision in the morning, I would try and sign kyle walker cos I think he would be a massive addition, even at his age, to this team - I have championed smith-rowe over odeargod for a long time now, so I'm not one of these that is influenced by nationality. I also have expressed concerns over caciedo cos he never really stands out to me, and in the last month of the season when he was played at right full I thought he looked uncomfortable with the ball at his feet - imo bissuma (sp ) when he was with brighton looked a much better player to me than caciedo, but he has struggled to get game time with the scum last season.
You keep dismissing the money argument as though it matters not, but I still argue that - lets work on the basis that at the start of every transfer window we have a set transfer budget plus whatever income we get from sales, then I would say that overspending on rice (or murdyk or any player), leaves less money in the kitty to address other needs, so its not like it doesnt matter or doesnt have any consequences. I've long accepted that we dont shop in the top tier of talented players and am very ok with that, but I'm not ok with spending top tier prices on 3rd level players - some will spout dogshite about spending so much on rice shows the intent and ambition of the club, where as I would think that spending so much on rice (and havertz) shows that we have people making decisions that cannot judge a player properly, and that selling clubs are taking advantage of this. By the end of last season a lot of fans were questioning jesus and zinchenko, and all season long people were critical of the portugese pussy, so I would suggest that this transfer window is huge and the two clowns in charge have to get it right, and if rice and havertz are our two main signings this summer, then next season there will be loud calls for the sacking of arteta and/or edu
No such thing as a fixed budget anymore. If we spend 200m on three players and it didn't work put, I'd fully expect us to then spend 100m or so in January. We've changed our approach in the past few windows
It's absolutely fucking unbelievable. I genuinely can't think of a single reason why anyone would think this is a sensible decision. He's had 3 seasons at Chelsea, which is more than enough time to bed in and establish yourself and he's properly failed to impress. Why would anyone looking to compete at the top level want to buy him.
I've never wanted a board/owner that interferes on the football side, but I would like one that has a reasonable grasp of the game, who could ask Arteta exactly why he considers Havertz a good acquisition and what he will add to the side, given his record at Chelsea. If he bought him and it turned out he was still a flop, I'd expect the owner to haul Arteta over the fucking coals.
I'm definitely in the camp of..... Sign a fucking striker to score goals not another midfielder....... However I think there is a good footballer in Havertz, he's been mediocre at best at the Chavs but then again everyone at the Chavs has been mediocre! I don't think any of the last 3 managers they've had actually knew their best team or best formation and I'm sure there has been pressure to play some of Boelhys signings! I don't think you can write off players for playing average for one club..... We've learned that through history.... Bergkamp and Henry, not to mention the likes of Mo Salad and KDB.
I do think he'd probably do well at Arsenal but I'd still prefer we didn't spunk 60m on him and 200k+ a week when we don't have a striker or defensive midfielder!! Let alone cover for RB/CB.
Also, we all need to remember, signing Havertz probably means Clive does go! Well worth 60m!!!!
I'm sorry but even that doesnt justify spunking 70m on a guy that has NEVER been a prolific goal scorer even before he joined the chavs - we dont look like buying even one player who is capable of lifting us up a level, and questions need to be asked as to who is picking these players
|| Arsenal’s next bid for Kai Havertz, will be for £60m [Via - @JacobSteinberg].
I always liked you Mc, but you really are trying to ensure that it definitely becomes a past tense kind of thing.
Well then here's more for you
Arsenal are in the driving seat to sign Kai Havertz & are preparing to increase their offer. They believe that £60m will convince Chelsea to sell. Arsenal are looking for more depth up front & are ready to match his current wages, which are around £220k-a-week, offering Havertz a fresh start after a difficult season at Stamford Bridge. [@JacobSteinberg] #afc
Comical when you consider that we offered Saliba a new contract worth 80k per week and were "stunned" when he demanded 200k per week Saliba has done more in one season in premier league than havertz has done in 3 seasons with the chavs, and we tried to lowball him while offering havertz anything he wanted Some Gooners are making excuses for havertz saying every chav player was shit last season, and while that is true it doesnt explain his previous two seasons when he was average
Kai Havertz is ‘very close’ to joining Arsenal. Bayern Munich have been kept informed on the conditions of the deal, but will not make an offer now. Arsenal’s transfer package for Havertz is expected to be ‘at least around €80m’ inclusive of add-ons. [@Plettigoal] #afc
Understand that there has been an enquiry from Brentford regarding Eddie Nketiah. Nothing concrete yet. I am told that the club are exploring alternative options to Ivan Toney following his lengthy ban. However, It is unlikely that he will leave as he is in Arteta’s plans.
|| Arsenal’s next bid for Kai Havertz, will be for £60m [Via - @JacobSteinberg].
Arsenal are in the driving seat to sign Kai Havertz & are preparing to increase their offer. They believe that £60m will convince Chelsea to sell. Arsenal are looking for more depth up front & are ready to match his current wages, which are around £220k-a-week, offering Havertz a fresh start after a difficult season at Stamford Bridge. [@JacobSteinberg] #afc
) when he was with brighton looked a much better player to me than caciedo, but he has struggled to get game time with the scum last season.
Some Gooners are making excuses for havertz saying every chav player was shit last season, and while that is true it doesnt explain his previous two seasons when he was average