WALCOTT - which position is best etc?

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lmcyoong wrote:walcott is a player irreplaceable in the team (his speed and acceleration is the best)but his finishing really sucks!
which is why he shouldn't be played out wide in a 4-2-3-1 because when he beats that first defender and drifts inward he still has one or two central defenders to beat, he needs to play in the middle, making runs where he

a] opens space for our other stikers
b] only has to beat a central defender and is alone on the keeper


but , alas, we have a too stubborn manager for that.

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Walcott is terrible upfront on his own. He lacks the footballing brain and the strength to hold off two 6ft+ CB's and link up play, which are qualities vital for this role, especially in the system we play.

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1989 wrote:Walcott is terrible upfront on his own. He lacks the footballing brain and the strength to hold off two 6ft+ CB's and link up play, which are qualities vital for this role, especially in the system we play.
All he can offer is the run in behind. Might pay dividends against shit teams who play a high line against us or who we completely overrun anyway, or might pay off if he has a fellow striker to occupy CBs and create space for the runs but realistically throwing him up front on his own against a half-decent outfit is a waste. Not only will is prove fruitless but if we're under the kosh he won't offer anything in terms of holding the ball up and it'll keep coming back.

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'89 and NB are correct - hate to say it , but Chris Waddle was right - Walcott just doesn't have a footballing brain.

his best goals are when he had no time to think about it - just kick and run is his style. he has scored some great goals on the fly, he just can't think quick enough.

he's useful as a back up striker in a two-some or outwide for the occassional crosses, but he can never cut inside as Ozil & Caz so is a back up there too.

fwiw i'd hope he gets his fitness and form back and i'd flog him to Liverpool in the summer. or Villa.

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clockender1 wrote:'89 and NB are correct - hate to say it , but Chris Waddle was right - Walcott just doesn't have a footballing brain.

his best goals are when he had no time to think about it - just kick and run is his style. he has scored some great goals on the fly, he just can't think quick enough.

he's useful as a back up striker in a two-some or outwide for the occassional crosses, but he can never cut inside as Ozil & Caz so is a back up there too.

fwiw i'd hope he gets his fitness and form back and i'd flog him to Liverpool in the summer. or Villa.
Why would he go to Aston Villa? :? He's an England intentional who is on 90k a week. Far too big for them.

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clockender1 wrote:'89 and NB are correct - hate to say it , but Chris Waddle was right - Walcott just doesn't have a footballing brain.

his best goals are when he had no time to think about it - just kick and run is his style. he has scored some great goals on the fly, he just can't think quick enough.

he's useful as a back up striker in a two-some or outwide for the occassional crosses, but he can never cut inside as Ozil & Caz so is a back up there too.

fwiw i'd hope he gets his fitness and form back and i'd flog him to Liverpool in the summer. or Villa.
It may well be that I am still feeling the effects of excesses last night but that doesn't make sense :? :wink: :lol:

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That was a late night for me too - the 2nd part should read - he just can't think quick enough when he has 2-3 defenders in front of him . You will never see him score a nasri, Ramsey type goal.

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clockender1 wrote:That was a late night for me too - the 2nd part should read - he just can't think quick enough when he has 2-3 defenders in front of him . You will never see him score a nasri, Ramsey type goal.
Ok mate I thought that was what you meant, just being pedantic, I agree that he isn't gifted with the best football brain but the goal against Newcastle where he beat 3 players and rode some very tough tackles to pick himself up and deftly chip over the keeper does show he can do it but I believe first and foremost he is afraid of losing the ball.

All good wingers lose the ball occasionally, it goes with the territory, I just wish he would be more daring and go for it, I am one of Theo's critics but I also believe he is a better player than he shows most of the time.

Sure he will go missing in tough games at times, the wingers are the ones that are starved of the ball in tight games as all play will go down the middle as teams try not to expose themselves, but it's when they do eventually get the ball they have to make it count, unfortunately Theo needs quite a lot of the ball to make things happen as he is clearly hit and miss.

He is still young and has genuine pace and just having him on the pitch forces other teams to defend deeper and his opposing left back, wingback is more cautious going forward for fear of losing him.

He can score goals and no doubt will get a few this season, he will miss a few too but they all do it's just Theo will get into more goal scoring positions because of his pace alone and you do have to remember that hardly any other player in the league has to cross, shoot or make a decision at the pace he is moving.

All in all he is a very good option whether on the wing or up front.

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Yes he can do it occasionally, which makes him all the more frustrating. The get up and go Chelsea goal was a similar case - I'm not saying he can't shrug off defenders, I'm saying he can't step over or fake em.

And as for being young, that is literally running out - he'll be 25 in a couple of months, and he's older than Ramsey or Daniel Sturridge who have pushed on more than he has, and show more maturity on the ball.

Personally, I think we handled him the wrong way - we should have signed him then loaned him out as a centre forward, if he wanted to be a CF, instead we took him the TH14 route of converting a winger to a striker.

Who knows maybe he will prove us wrong and become world class at 28/29 but maybe not...

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Walcott - which position is best etc?
On the bench.

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The 3rd goal sums up the impact Walcott can have, particularly late on in games and/or off the bench. Really bust a gut to get ahead of the ball and provide an option and then made the right decision to square the ball. Simple but devastatingly effective.

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I do not agree with this line that he "Does not have a football brain".

Neither do I agree that he is only good when he does not have time to think about things....remember that goal against Blackburn in 2012 at home when he dribbled round their entire defence before laying it off for Oxlade-Chamberlain to score?

I think that he is an especially frustrating player at times especially because he usually does some very good things, but also makes some show-reel basic errors which many players in the Premiership would have eradicated from their game back in their mid-teens.

He only started playing age 11, and I honestly think this contributes to these basic errors....mainly the one where he will set off on a run straight into an opposition defender.

He can also frustrate because he is very much a big game game player, scoring against Barcelona and Spurs etc, but then can be a bit "out of the game" in a more humdrum league game against a lower side.

But he does have a brain...he has improved at holding on to the ball, at picking out team mates for passes, his off the ball runs are generally very good at opening up defences, and his goal record last season was very good for a player of his usual starting position.

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QuartzGooner wrote:I do not agree with this line that he 'Does not have a football brain".
I read your post and largely agree.

I think the "football brain" thing is, for me, more that he lacks awareness and technique when on the ball.

You're right that he makes good, clever runs BUT his technique on the ball means he often doesn't look up and get an appreciation of what's around him (as Cesc/Ozil, etc would) and can therefore make too many wrong decisions... hence looking like he hasn't got a football brain :proudtosay:

Anyway, not that it's relevant, but for what it's worth... I like Theo.

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As the season goes on I think he'll become more and more important to the team. We've seen before how from Feb onwards teams come and defend even more doggedly and the bottom 3 somehow seem to wake up before the season ends. I remember 3 or 4 years ago when we'd tip tap about with Arshavin, Nasri etc and didn't have the sort of player who could make a real impact at pace (Walcott back then was either injured or too raw).

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Awareness and football brain are the same thing aren't they ?

It's seeing the passes and runs of your team, and working space before you get the ball.

It's wrong footing defenders by the angle of your run, it's knowing when to hold your run and when to attack the space.

He just still seems a work in progress - isn't be the same age as Ozil ?

I like him and hope he does well, he's just not an all round player and i don't know if he ever will be - with the team on a run and in form. this is his chance to push on and really shine.

I'm hoPeful but not confident he will.

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