THE WENGER THREAD

[SydneyGooner]

Fuck me, all this love for podolski is fucking hilarious.
He was a lazy *word censored* who could never be relied upon, he gave zero support to his full back.
His complete lack of tactical nous will be highlighted further in Italy.
Wenger did well to get rid of him.

For once I'm in full agreement with you. I've never understood the Podolski love in on this forum but then again bar Sánchez and Cazorla I'm not a huge fan of anybody at our club.

Ok, gobshites; allow me to explain it one more fucking time.

Podolski is a top top quality striker. The best most clinical finisher we have (had) at the club. He is a CENTRAL STRIKER. That is his best position. He has said this himself. Our halfwit of a manager played said top finishing central striker as a WINGER (on the few occasions he actually played him) or left him to rot on the bench.

Now, do either of you see a problem with this?

As a striker, remember that bit do we? Good. As a striker Pod, like ALL strikers, feeds on confidence and getting a run in the side. Fairly hard to do that when you are benched or constantly played out wide in a position you are not equipped to play effectively. The fact that Pod scored so many goals from so few games, so many sub appearances, played so often out of position and in a system that never played to his strengths is testament to how good he is and an indication of how good he could have been for us if we had a decent tactically astute manager that knew how to set up to get the best from his players, rather than wedge them into a shit system dictated by his ego.

LaughingGooner; I've highlighted the words "complete lack of tactical nous" as it's hilarious irony you writing those words on here in relation to a player, when your every other post is basically you defending Wenger, a man with absolutely ZERO tactical nous! You don't do irony do you? You are either a WUM or a sheep-like moron. I'm still not sure either way.

Even as a central striker for Germany and his previous clubs Podolski was never all that good to begin with so I don't believe its fair to put the blame entirely on Wenger's ineptitude. I've always felt he never has and probably never will live up to the promise he showed at the World Cup in '06 as a 21 year old outshining the likes of Messi and Ronaldo. Considering the world class finishing he is capable of he should've been as good as RvP but has always seemed to lack in other departments.

[SydneyGooner]

On Podolski: I don't agree with his departure. I think it's bullshit especially considering Arsenal now effectively have just 2 first team strikers and they're both mediocre and couldn't finish their dinner. On that point totally agree.
Now. What I don't agree with is this fallacy that Podolski is "class" and would have smashed it if played in his proper position. Podolski went to Bayern and was played in his proper position, up front, ahead of Deisler. He was shocking, got booted out pretty quick. Went back to Koln, scores a few goals...in a team that gets relegated.
His international goal record is often brought up in mitigation but he's not scored a single competitive goal against a top 10 side ever. His stats are massively skewed by qualifiers v Luxembourg, San Marino etc.
Joachim Low was on record as saying over a year ago that Klose needed a natural successor. Klose is old and knackered. Yet when Germany went to the WC, how many knockout matches did Podolski start? Answer: zero. How many minutes did he play in total? Less than 30. This isn't no mug manager, it's WC winning FIFA Coach of the Year Joachim Low.
In short Podolski definitely had a role to play at Arsenal but he basically wouldn't get anywhere near the top 6 sides in Europe which is where Arsenal should be aiming for. Benzema, Tevez, Lewandowski, Reus...that's the level of gettable striker we should have looked to. Was a mistake signing him in first place IMO

Thank you.

[QuartzGooner]

Sad stuff about Sol Campbell's request to do his coaching badges with us not being actioned.


http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php ... LUjRig4Yz0

was that related to the 'walkout' you think ?

wenger signed him, you think he'd love to have another fawn in the pack - maybe Sol is too honest ?

i'm not seeing a lot of love for wenger there in that interview or the standards...

Anyone who doesn't tow the Pravda Party Line gets cut off from the gravy train - Look at Stewart Robinson....

I do not think that Ikechukwu's point about the "Arsenal Way" is valid here.

I think this is likely to be about either an administrative mess up, or someone at the club not wanting to be shown up by Sol's undoubted ability to organise a defence.
This may not be popular with people, but I think in this instance we have to be open to that person possibly being Bould, not neccesarily Wenger?

I truly think Wenger keeps genuine threats to his leadership at a long arm's length..Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp...even Dixon.
But I do not see Sol as a threat to Wenger, and neither I think does Wenger...he is a coach type not a manager...though I may be proved wrong.

I reckon Bould could organise a defence but Wenger does not give him the time to do so.
But Sol comes in, gets a few hours here and there and the defence improves.
Bould feels threatened?

Apologies to Uncle Bouldy if I have unfairly maligned him, I am just suggesting a possibility.

The Sol interview is fascinating by what he does not say about Wenger, I agree with Clockende, there is no support of Wenger from Sol.
And he has openly criticised the previous PR line that the stadium move would not affect player purchases.

(Robert Robinson? He died years ago!)

[augie]

Sad stuff about Sol Campbell's request to do his coaching badges with us not being actioned.


http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php ... LUjRig4Yz0

If ever there was a pr.ck that walked around with a sense of entitlement, then sol is it I loved him when he walked out of the scum to join us (took a lot of courage tbf ) but all he does nowadays is moan and play the victim card. Being a once great player doesnt mean that he would be a great coach and nor should it mean that he is entitled to a leg up over more qualified people. Is he the type of person you would want coaching your kids ? Always struck me as a finger pointer (as in it's your fault and not mine), and the walk out at half time v the shammers was a disgrace

[QuartzGooner]

Augie

I woud very much want Sol to coach defence.

He was a good defensive organiser, and improved us when he came back to use for half a season in 2010.

The walk out was whatever it was, one incident in an otherwise bauble filled spell with us.
We do not know what caused it but any player can have a bad day at the office and he had a personal problem.
So did Adams and Merson when they were with us...Adams's cost us four months of his services.
People are not robots.

[OneBardGooner]

Sad stuff about Sol Campbell's request to do his coaching badges with us not being actioned.


http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php ... LUjRig4Yz0

was that related to the 'walkout' you think ?

wenger signed him, you think he'd love to have another fawn in the pack - maybe Sol is too honest ?

i'm not seeing a lot of love for wenger there in that interview or the standards...

Anyone who doesn't tow the Pravda Party Line gets cut off from the gravy train - Look at Stewart Robinson....

I do not think that Ikechukwu's point about the "Arsenal Way" is valid here.

I think this is likely to be about either an administrative mess up, or someone at the club not wanting to be shown up by Sol's undoubted ability to organise a defence.
This may not be popular with people, but I think in this instance we have to be open to that person possibly being Bould, not neccesarily Wenger?

I truly think Wenger keeps genuine threats to his leadership at a long arm's length..Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp...even Dixon.
But I do not see Sol as a threat to Wenger, and neither I think does Wenger...he is a coach type not a manager...though I may be proved wrong.

I reckon Bould could organise a defence but Wenger does not give him the time to do so.
But Sol comes in, gets a few hours here and there and the defence improves.
Bould feels threatened?

Apologies to Uncle Bouldy if I have unfairly maligned him, I am just suggesting a possibility.

The Sol interview is fascinating by what he does not say about Wenger, I agree with Clockende, there is no support of Wenger from Sol.
And he has openly criticised the previous PR line that the stadium move would not affect player purchases.

(Robert Robinson? He died years ago!)

Not Robert but Stewart/stuart

By ‘Towing the party line’ I mean anyone who dares criticise wenger in any way – whether by inference or even by omitting to openly support him…which in that interview is Crystal Clear, so I don’t think an ‘administrative error’ is at fault here – if it was – it would have been sorted out very quickly – Perhaps his face simply no longer fits – the club has changed in all manner of ways since Sol was a regular (before his departure and brief return) – and part of those changes has seen us lose some of the ‘Class’ we once oozed.

Sad but true.

As for Sol playing the ‘victim’ I wouldn’t go that far, he is more intelligent than your average player – which is easy to deduce by his interviews – and perhaps why he doesn’t fit the cosy, don’t rock the boat style of punditry that exists on TV and Radio these days….I am hoping TH14 will shake the fuckers up….Talking of whom, I am looking forward to how he handles criticising wenger when Arsenal fuck up- which of course they will do – all because of Clueless and his inability to adapt, change and employ tactics, plan B etc

[augie]

Augie

I woud very much want Sol to coach defence.

He was a good defensive organiser, and improved us when he came back to use for half a season in 2010.

The walk out was whatever it was, one incident in an otherwise bauble filled spell with us.
We do not know what caused it but any player can have a bad day at the office and he had a personal problem.
So did Adams and Merson when they were with us...Adams's cost us four months of his services.
People are not robots.

No they are not robots but despite their troubles, they (TA6 and merse) always showed a willingness to be there for the club -there is no i in team and walking out on your team is unforgiveable in my eyes

[OneBardGooner]

When Sol walked out - half way through the W.Ham game - he was still dealing with the death of his father and the breakdown of his long tern relationship - we mere mortals get to do it in our own (private) way - The rich and famous don't - and as quartz said anyone can have a bad day at the office.

He was a magnificent Defender/Player for us.....and so gets my respect on that level.

[augie]

When Sol walked out - half way through the W.Ham game - he was still dealing with the death of his father and the breakdown of his long tern relationship - we mere mortals get to do it in our own (private) way - The rich and famous don't - and as quartz said anyone can have a bad day at the office.

He was a magnificent Defender/Player for us.....and so gets my respect on that level.

And he gets my respect on so many levels too but that isnt what this is about - this is about a guy that feels that he is entitled to whatever he wants and therein lies the problem. I have no probs with him asking to coach in the club and nor would I have any problem if the club agreed to it, but I do have serious problems with the guy moaning publicly everytime he doesnt get what he wants

[SydneyGooner]

Sad but true.

As for Sol playing the ‘victim’ I wouldn’t go that far, he is more intelligent than your average player – which is easy to deduce by his interviews – and perhaps why he doesn’t fit the cosy, don’t rock the boat style of punditry that exists on TV and Radio these days….I am hoping TH14 will shake the fuckers up….Talking of whom, I am looking forward to how he handles criticising wenger when Arsenal fuck up- which of course they will do – all because of Clueless and his inability to adapt, change and employ tactics, plan B etc

Keep hoping because the only thing Henry will be shaking is Wenger's cock inside his mouth. The rehashed garbage he'll spout in support of Wenger will make him an absolute fucking godsend among the Wenger Protection League. I've said it before and I'll say it again Henry's loyalty is first and foremost with Wenger before the Club and I've yet to see anything to change that.

Sad but true.

[northbank123]

Campbell probably think the club has a huge debt to repay to him. Tbh he seems to think that the world owes him everything and perceives himself to have been wronged at every turn.

Quartz I will say it - fuck Steve Bould. The man has sat there like a fucking muppet on the bench for two and a half years. I don't doubt that he would like more time with certain aspects of coaching but it's fuckig laughable the extent to which he is sheltered from criticism by some on here. Like he's some kind of martyr and not just some bloke trousering a million a year in exchanging for keeping his mouth shut.

And let's not forget that he has spent his entire 14-year coaching career under Wenger, he'd probably put some of the most ardent AKBs to shame. About time he started being viewed as part of the problem not the solution.

[SteveO 35]

Campbell probably think the club has a huge debt to repay to him. Tbh he seems to think that the world owes him everything and perceives himself to have been wronged at every turn.

Quartz I will say it - fuck Steve Bould. The man has sat there like a fucking muppet on the bench for two and a half years. I don't doubt that he would like more time with certain aspects of coaching but it's fuckig laughable the extent to which he is sheltered from criticism by some on here. Like he's some kind of martyr and not just some bloke trousering a million a year in exchanging for keeping his mouth shut.

And let's not forget that he has spent his entire 14-year coaching career under Wenger, he'd probably put some of the most ardent AKBs to shame. About time he started being viewed as part of the problem not the solution.

Agree with this. Much as I thought Sol was a great defender for us I don't see him as management or coaching material. He always comes across as aloof and very self centred and I don't see players warming to him. The half time walkout wasn't an isolated incident - he signed for Notts County then walked out a couple of weeks later. I think of him as a very deep person who often comes across as though he's got a massive chip on his shoulder......Sol you were on a £100k per week for years (before many others were) and earned a decent living out of the game mate, so how about chilling out

Agree on Bould but then anyone who has served out their coaching career solely under There's Only One could be put into bracket. Given his power at the club and his insistence that all of the teams from the bottom to the first team are coached and play the same way.....would any change in coach really help massively?

The best our defence looked was when Martin Keown was involved and we reached the 2006 Champions League - playing what was a patched up defence with Flamoney at right back some of the time. Just showed that you don't always need the best individuals to make the best defence. Anyone who saw the great GG defence and read Kenny Sansom's book would be able to tell you that - practice, practice and more practice. There's Only One seems to think you put 4 players together and hope for the best

[rodders999]

Campbell probably think the club has a huge debt to repay to him. Tbh he seems to think that the world owes him everything and perceives himself to have been wronged at every turn.

Quartz I will say it - fuck Steve Bould. The man has sat there like a fucking muppet on the bench for two and a half years. I don't doubt that he would like more time with certain aspects of coaching but it's fuckig laughable the extent to which he is sheltered from criticism by some on here. Like he's some kind of martyr and not just some bloke trousering a million a year in exchanging for keeping his mouth shut.

And let's not forget that he has spent his entire 14-year coaching career under Wenger, he'd probably put some of the most ardent AKBs to shame. About time he started being viewed as part of the problem not the solution.

Great post, agree 100%. Anyone involved in keeping this shit fest going is guilty by association and once the new man comes in I don't want any fucker from the reserve goalkeeping coach to the tea lady kept on. When the ship goes down I want all the rats on board. Fuck the lot of them.

[SteveO 35]

Campbell probably think the club has a huge debt to repay to him. Tbh he seems to think that the world owes him everything and perceives himself to have been wronged at every turn.

Quartz I will say it - fuck Steve Bould. The man has sat there like a fucking muppet on the bench for two and a half years. I don't doubt that he would like more time with certain aspects of coaching but it's fuckig laughable the extent to which he is sheltered from criticism by some on here. Like he's some kind of martyr and not just some bloke trousering a million a year in exchanging for keeping his mouth shut.

And let's not forget that he has spent his entire 14-year coaching career under Wenger, he'd probably put some of the most ardent AKBs to shame. About time he started being viewed as part of the problem not the solution.

Great post, agree 100%. Anyone involved in keeping this shit fest going is guilty by association and once the new man comes in I don't want any fucker from the reserve goalkeeping coach to the tea lady kept on. When the ship goes down I want all the rats on board. Fuck the lot of them.

I presume you'll be happy for Abou to stay on though mate?

[OneBardGooner]

Campbell probably think the club has a huge debt to repay to him. Tbh he seems to think that the world owes him everything and perceives himself to have been wronged at every turn.

Quartz I will say it - fuck Steve Bould. The man has sat there like a fucking muppet on the bench for two and a half years. I don't doubt that he would like more time with certain aspects of coaching but it's fuckig laughable the extent to which he is sheltered from criticism by some on here. Like he's some kind of martyr and not just some bloke trousering a million a year in exchanging for keeping his mouth shut.

And let's not forget that he has spent his entire 14-year coaching career under Wenger, he'd probably put some of the most ardent AKBs to shame. About time he started being viewed as part of the problem not the solution.

Great post, agree 100%. Anyone involved in keeping this shit fest going is guilty by association and once the new man comes in I don't want any fucker from the reserve goalkeeping coach to the tea lady kept on. When the ship goes down I want all the rats on board. Fuck the lot of them.

I presume you'll be happy for Abou to stay on though mate?

Yup! on the fucking boat with the rest of the overpaid under talented mamby pampified rats.