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Gunner Rob wrote:hard to know what to say on here at the moment
lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment
we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.
we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week
we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today
I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle
Being turned over in pathetic fashion by Stoke, S'oton and a wretched Utd side indicates that there are still big problems at Arsenal; problems we have had for years and years that haven't been satisfactorily addressed.
Beating City, while an excellent result, is an outlier so far in terms of results and not indicative of any corner being turned – yet. As Augie points out; Boro have just done them there by the same scoreline.
Winning the FA Cup was great, and we may very well retain it, but I wouldn’t bet any actual money on us winning either the League or European Cup with our current set-up.
So I'd say we're still just about keeping up with what is expected of Wenger.
Gunner Rob wrote:hard to know what to say on here at the moment
lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment
we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.
we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week
we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today
I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle
Being turned over in pathetic fashion by Stoke, S'oton and a wretched Utd side indicates that there are still big problems at Arsenal; problems we have had for years and years that haven't been satisfactorily addressed.
Beating City, while an excellent result, is an outlier so far in terms of results and not indicative of any corner being turned – yet. As Augie points out; Boro have just done them there by the same scoreline.
Winning the FA Cup was great, and we may very well retain it, but I wouldn’t bet any actual money on us winning either the League or European Cup with our current set-up.So I'd say we're still just about keeping up with what is expected of Wenger.
Never gonna happen whilst Clueless remains in charge.
I've followed this thread for a long time, and although I struggle to understand some of the abuse aimed at Wenger, I do agree with most of the criticism. I am not an AKB.
Putting all previous mismanagement aside, and there's been a huge amount of it, the most unforgivable crass error of judgement was last years summer transfer window for me. How Wenger could have started this season with the obvious gaping holes in our squad is beyond me.
I'd like to think I have a good job, working for very fair and reasonable people, but if I had allowed my department to be so short of staff in key areas that it impacted dramatically on company performance, I would get the sack, no question. I really don't see a difference.
The world and his wife could see we needed a CB a DM at the very least. Brilliant as Alexis is, he wasn't really what we needed desperately, but did fit in perfectly with Wengers flawed style of play. The recent talk of the team asking Wenger to go back to basics and the subsequent result against Citeh, scares me rigid. What the **** are we paying him for?
CBMotorsport wrote:1st post... Long time lurker though.
I've followed this thread for a long time, and although I struggle to understand some of the abuse aimed at Wenger, I do agree with most of the criticism. I am not an AKB.
Putting all previous mismanagement aside, and there's been a huge amount of it, the most unforgivable crass error of judgement was last years summer transfer window for me. How Wenger could have started this season with the obvious gaping holes in our squad is beyond me.
I'd like to think I have a good job, working for very fair and reasonable people, but if I had allowed my department to be so short of staff in key areas that it impacted dramatically on company performance, I would get the sack, no question. I really don't see a difference.
The world and his wife could see we needed a CB a DM at the very least. Brilliant as Alexis is, he wasn't really what we needed desperately, but did fit in perfectly with Wengers flawed style of play. The recent talk of the team asking Wenger to go back to basics and the subsequent result against Citeh, scares me rigid. What the **** are we paying him for?
Gunner Rob wrote:hard to know what to say on here at the moment
lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment
we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.
we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week
we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today
I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle
Being turned over in pathetic fashion by Stoke, S'oton and a wretched Utd side indicates that there are still big problems at Arsenal; problems we have had for years and years that haven't been satisfactorily addressed.
Beating City, while an excellent result, is an outlier so far in terms of results and not indicative of any corner being turned – yet. As Augie points out; Boro have just done them there by the same scoreline.
Winning the FA Cup was great, and we may very well retain it, but I wouldn’t bet any actual money on us winning either the League or European Cup with our current set-up.So I'd say we're still just about keeping up with what is expected of Wenger.
Never gonna happen whilst Clueless remains in charge.
CBMotorsport wrote:1st post... Long time lurker though.
I've followed this thread for a long time, and although I struggle to understand some of the abuse aimed at Wenger, I do agree with most of the criticism. I am not an AKB.
Putting all previous mismanagement aside, and there's been a huge amount of it, the most unforgivable crass error of judgement was last years summer transfer window for me. How Wenger could have started this season with the obvious gaping holes in our squad is beyond me.
I'd like to think I have a good job, working for very fair and reasonable people, but if I had allowed my department to be so short of staff in key areas that it impacted dramatically on company performance, I would get the sack, no question. I really don't see a difference.
The world and his wife could see we needed a CB a DM at the very least. Brilliant as Alexis is, he wasn't really what we needed desperately, but did fit in perfectly with Wengers flawed style of play. The recent talk of the team asking Wenger to go back to basics and the subsequent result against Citeh, scares me rigid. What the **** are we paying him for?
Exactly my thoughts too! I've never understood this as me neither can't see any difference. I'm a managing director myself and my only responsibility is to reach operational targets set by the board. If I leave our organization short and we can't reach our targets, I will be sacked in a heart beat. If I recruit wrong people and we fuck it up and can't reach our targets, I will be sacked. It is that simple really. Same goes in all professional sports too, except for Arsenal of course.
Then again, it's all down to set targets. At Arsenal the target is to make as much financial profit as possible with as little investment as possible. So, Wenger is actually doing fucking great job, he might actually be the best in that in the whole world among football managers.
The thing that they haven't understood at Arsenal is that this isn't good enough for the fans. What the fuck do we care about their financial profits as we don't see any of that money, never.
Wenger has hit his targets for 18 years in a row - just a shame the targets are so low.
I just hope that Kroenke doesnt cast a glance at Newcastle because if he does he will see that they still sell out their ground too despite their target just being to finish in the top 10 each season.
CBMotorsport wrote:1st post... Long time lurker though.
I've followed this thread for a long time, and although I struggle to understand some of the abuse aimed at Wenger, I do agree with most of the criticism. I am not an AKB.
Putting all previous mismanagement aside, and there's been a huge amount of it, the most unforgivable crass error of judgement was last years summer transfer window for me. How Wenger could have started this season with the obvious gaping holes in our squad is beyond me.
I'd like to think I have a good job, working for very fair and reasonable people, but if I had allowed my department to be so short of staff in key areas that it impacted dramatically on company performance, I would get the sack, no question. I really don't see a difference.
The world and his wife could see we needed a CB a DM at the very least. Brilliant as Alexis is, he wasn't really what we needed desperately, but did fit in perfectly with Wengers flawed style of play. The recent talk of the team asking Wenger to go back to basics and the subsequent result against Citeh, scares me rigid. What the **** are we paying him for?
A well reasoned post which got better with each paragraph.
Herd wrote:Bayern had their stadium funding from the German FA for the World Cup in 2006, before that their stadium was built for the Olympics there , it may account for why they are so rich !
Juventus are bankrolled by the Agnelli family ,they have pots of money and the local authority put its hand in its pocket for the new stadium too too .
Neither examples are comparable to Arsenals case ,its another Baba bullshit fest .
I agree we have pissed away millions in the budget overpaying wages for journeyman players ,coaches, and manger but seriously we have said it all before a million times I wonder what’s the point .
It isn’t going to change until he goes and he isn’t going until at least 2017 !
Deal with it !
The Agnelli family bankrolled it eh? Funny that as the Agnelli family actually stopped making the financial decisions at Juve years ago. Check up on it please. You've no clue what you're on about
You also forgot to mention that the new Juve ground cost less than €100m. The stadium was in the main, paid for by Sportfive Italia.
Yep, you're welcome for letting me blitz your bullshit inventions
Their new stadium was also DOWNSIZED from the Delle Alpi
We now also have ppl slagging Martinez off for getting relegated, as if it's some like for like comparison! Hilarious. Love this place
Ps I do wish you'd stop calling me Baba unless there's concrete evidence to say I am!
Oh and on this "building stadium" laughable excuse: Arsenal were so hampered by the new stadium, that the wage bill continued to be far higher than both Bayern and Juve in the "transition years". And no we weren't paying Del Piero and Muller. Denilson, Diaby and Eboue
But remember "we couldn't compete with Bayern and bankrolled by Agnelli Juve"
Herd wrote:Bayern had their stadium funding from the German FA for the World Cup in 2006, before that their stadium was built for the Olympics there , it may account for why they are so rich !
Juventus are bankrolled by the Agnelli family ,they have pots of money and the local authority put its hand in its pocket for the new stadium too too .
Neither examples are comparable to Arsenals case ,its another Baba bullshit fest .
I agree we have pissed away millions in the budget overpaying wages for journeyman players ,coaches, and manger but seriously we have said it all before a million times I wonder what’s the point .
It isn’t going to change until he goes and he isn’t going until at least 2017 !
Deal with it !
The Agnelli family bankrolled it eh? Funny that as the Agnelli family actually stopped making the financial decisions at Juve years ago. Check up on it please. You've no clue what you're on about
You also forgot to mention that the new Juve ground cost less than €100m. The stadium was in the main, paid for by Sportfive Italia.
Yep, you're welcome for letting me blitz your bullshit inventions
Their new stadium was also DOWNSIZED from the Delle Alpi
We now also have ppl slagging Martinez off for getting relegated, as if it's some like for like comparison! Hilarious. Love this place
Yeah get your facts straight Herd, Baba 'checked up on it' by reading comments sections of Juve websites
and why wouldn't you knock Martinez for getting relegated? surely that IS one of the things you knock him for
Ikechukwu1 wrote:The Agnelli family bankrolled it eh? Funny that as the Agnelli family actually stopped making the financial decisions at Juve years ago. Check up on it please. You've no clue what you're on about
You also forgot to mention that the new Juve ground cost less than €100m. The stadium was in the main, paid for by Sportfive Italia.
Yep, you're welcome for letting me blitz your bullshit inventions
Their new stadium was also DOWNSIZED from the Delle Alpi
We now also have ppl slagging Martinez off for getting relegated, as if it's some like for like comparison! Hilarious. Love this place
Ps I do wish you'd stop calling me Baba unless there's concrete evidence to say I am!
Ikechukwu1 wrote:The Agnelli family bankrolled it eh? Funny that as the Agnelli family actually stopped making the financial decisions at Juve years ago. Check up on it please. You've no clue what you're on about
You also forgot to mention that the new Juve ground cost less than €100m. The stadium was in the main, paid for by Sportfive Italia.
Yep, you're welcome for letting me blitz your bullshit inventions
Their new stadium was also DOWNSIZED from the Delle Alpi
We now also have ppl slagging Martinez off for getting relegated, as if it's some like for like comparison! Hilarious. Love this place
Ps I do wish you'd stop calling me Baba unless there's concrete evidence to say I am!
I'm going to wipe from my memory tht Martinez was manager when Wigan got relegated ,if I remember correctly wasn't it us who finally sealed their relegation by beating them days after they won the fa cup,still Martinez has won the same amount of trophies as Babas(the old baba not the new Baba) hero Harry redknapp .
Long time lurker though.
