As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I am pro Wenger so the graph from the link above just confirms to me that we have the right manager in place
but what about all the outers on here Impressive? or a load of bollox?
Jeeeeeeeezzzussss feckin' christ....what a load of Bollocks.
I am pro Wenger so the graph from the link above just confirms to me that we have the right manager in place
but what about all the outers on here Impressive? or a load of bollox?
what a pile of meaningless crap.
"what he has achieved with no money is amazing...."
erm column - bought "295 million" . 295 million is not by any stretch 'no money'
and the sales proceeds came from selling our best players to our competition to win titles - cole, adebayor, clichy, nasri, RVP.
net spend as a measure of success is utter bollocks.
its total spend that counts. here's a better, more realistic table.
United - Spent GBP 410million - Titles won - 6, cost per title = 68.33million
Arsenal - Spent GBP 295million - Titles won -1, cost per title = 295million
so wenger spent over four times the amount that ferguson did per title (4.33x times)
I am pro Wenger so the graph from the link above just confirms to me that we have the right manager in place
but what about all the outers on here Impressive? or a load of bollox?
what a pile of meaningless crap.
"what he has achieved with no money is amazing...."
erm column - bought "295 million" . 295 million is not by any stretch 'no money'
and the sales proceeds came from selling our best players to our competition to win titles - cole, adebayor, clichy, nasri, RVP.
net spend as a measure of success is utter bollocks.
its total spend that counts. here's a better, more realistic table.
United - Spent GBP 410million - Titles won - 6, cost per title = 68.33million
Arsenal - Spent GBP 295million - Titles won -1, cost per title = 295million
so wenger spent over four times the amount that ferguson did per title (4.33x times)
that makes him only 25% as effective as ferguson.
not very good that is it ?
yes very clever now try nett spend
net spend is irrelevant.
as i pointed out - that was achieved by selling cole, adebayor, clichy, nasri, RVP to our rivals who won titles - cole x2, adebayor x 1, clichy x 2, nasri x 2 and RVP x 1. EIGHT in total.
the true picture is as i put above - 295 million spent, one title. a very poor return.
I am pro Wenger so the graph from the link above just confirms to me that we have the right manager in place
but what about all the outers on here Impressive? or a load of bollox?
what a pile of meaningless crap.
"what he has achieved with no money is amazing...."
erm column - bought "295 million" . 295 million is not by any stretch 'no money'
and the sales proceeds came from selling our best players to our competition to win titles - cole, adebayor, clichy, nasri, RVP.
net spend as a measure of success is utter bollocks.
its total spend that counts. here's a better, more realistic table.
United - Spent GBP 410million - Titles won - 6, cost per title = 68.33million
Arsenal - Spent GBP 295million - Titles won -1, cost per title = 295million
so wenger spent over four times the amount that ferguson did per title (4.33x times)
that makes him only 25% as effective as ferguson.
not very good that is it ?
yes very clever now try nett spend
net spend is irrelevant.
as i pointed out - that was achieved by selling cole, adebayor, clichy, nasri, RVP to our rivals who won titles - cole x2, adebayor x 1, clichy x 2, nasri x 2 and RVP x 1. EIGHT in total.
the true picture is as i put above - 295 million spent, one title. a very poor return.
Unfortunetly nett spend was not irrelavant to your football club and its new stadium
herbert wrote:
Unfortunetly nett spend was not irrelavant to your football club and its new stadium
actually it was - from 2005 to 2014 AFC PLC has consistenly made a profit according to club accounts - of between 13million and 20 million pounds.
contrary to AKB beliefs, the club borrowed the money to build the stadium and pay less than 10 million a year.
in the same period Arsene wenger spent 126 million on JUST djourou, senderos, bentdner, denilson, diaby, and eboue's wages.
the cost of the stadium was outweighed for FIVE years by JUST the wages of Bentdner, Denilson and Diaby.
any time you want to add to your bull shit argument, please do - but the fact remains that wenger had the cash and blew it on high wages for players that were never ever going to win us titles.
Last edited by clockender1 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Net spend is not irrelevant but it is completely skewed by the fact that - using 2005 or 2006 as a starting point - we had a squad worth hundreds of millions of pounds already which gave Wenger over 100m head start on these small club managers.
Although tbh making such crude comparisons with clubs like those is a waste of time. Compare him to the realistic expectations for his own job. And one genuine title challenge in a decade (which was over before April rolled around) is not good enough. If you want to convince yourself that some other table means more than the league table then crack on but it doesn't wash with me.
its is when you balance the books by selling your best players for large fees to your titke rivals who go on to win.
and since 2009 Arsenal have consitently made a trading profit of over 20million a year, resulting in October 2013 of a cash balance of 132 million pounds.
during that time we won the total number of zero trophies.
its is when you balance the books by selling your best players for large fees to your titke rivals who go on to win.
and since 2009 Arsenal have consitently made a trading profit of over 20million a year, resulting in October 2013 of a cash balance of 132 million pounds.
during that time we won the total number of zero trophies.
And selling players to rivals is a disastrous policy that deserves to be highlighted.
But it doesn't exactly seem reasonable that it is of no relevance whether we recovered 20m or 400m. If the true point as you seem to be suggesting is about the money in our bank account and that transfer fees received makes no difference then what difference does transfer fees spent make?
its is when you balance the books by selling your best players for large fees to your titke rivals who go on to win.
and since 2009 Arsenal have consitently made a trading profit of over 20million a year, resulting in October 2013 of a cash balance of 132 million pounds.
during that time we won the total number of zero trophies.
Hopefully them days are over and the profits are spent on players like Ozil and Sanchez
herbert wrote:
Unfortunetly nett spend was not irrelavant to your football club and its new stadium
actually it was - from 2005 to 2014 AFC PLC has consistenly made a profit according to club accounts - of between 13million and 20 million pounds.
contrary to AKB beliefs, the club borrowed the money to build the stadium and pay less than 10 million a year.
in the same period Arsene wenger spent 126 million on JUST djourou, senderos, bentdner, denilson, diaby, and eboue's wages.
the cost of the stadium was outweighed for FIVE years by JUST the wages of Bentdner, Denilson and Diaby.
any time you want to add to your bull shit argument, please do - but the fact remains that wenger had the cash and blew it on high wages for players that were never ever going to win us titles.
by your facts above you have confirmed that he has had 3 to 10 million a season to spend in the transfer market
bullshit argument
Yep, it's official the Wenger is the only manager who wates Monet on a number of players and if we had a manager such as fat Sam or Martinez, then we would have won many mire trophies.....
It's so great that life is so simple and so black and white.
LaughingGooner wrote:Yep, it's official the Wenger is the only manager who wates Monet on a number of players and if we had a manager such as fat Sam or Martinez, then we would have won many mire trophies.....
It's so great that life is so simple and so black and white.
There's that straw man argument smashed to pieces again, what a smart chap you are
LaughingGooner wrote:Yep, it's official the Wenger is the only manager who wates Monet on a number of players and if we had a manager such as fat Sam or Martinez, then we would have won many mire trophies.....
It's so great that life is so simple and so black and white.
Perhaps it would be best if you tried again, this time in English?
