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Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:07 pm
augie wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:26 am
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:06 pm
Using hindsight, Martinez is the obvious one. Don’t agree with keeping either Torreira or Guendouzi. Truly desperate stuff to think they are the answer. Even if they are the three we were keeping though, it’s not exactly game changing stuff is it? It’s not Chelsea selling Salah and De Bruyne.

Arteta built a squad from not a lot. We recouped basically nothing from that squad once you do deals to get rid of Pepe, Auba and Ozil and loads of other pay off deals. We were an effing shit show. A literal United clone. Look at them now. Look at us. We’ve got more transfers right than wrong. We have made mistakes. We’ve cocked up last Summer’s window. But I don’t see the need to ironically throw the baby out with the bath water and get rid of Arteta.



The cone boy has made 34 signings since becoming AFC manager - name 18 good ones so
I will answer your question once you have answered mine.



Torreira and Guendouzi would be upgrades on merino and partey and jorginho imo - as many will know I am a defender of emery to a point on here, but playing Torreira in the 10 was lunacy imo, and I think he had real top quality potential for us had he of stayed. I know a lot on here slate guendouzi (as is their right) but I liked him as a midfielder who brought energy to the position - I like midfielders to run hard and close the opposition down and he did that with gusto. Had he a lot to learn ? Absolutely and especially with how to channel his aggression, but that comes with experience and having looked at too many teams in the last 15 years roll over without a fight, I welcomed a player who would fight and battle and stand up for his team-mate (leno) with maupey that time. No doubt his response to maupey (about wages) was cringy, but I dont like the fact that the douzi was thrown under the bus at the time, and I'm wondering how many opinions have changed since when people have seen more examples of what an absolute dickhead maupey is :rubchin: I also look at how guendouzi was treated and wonder how much different had GG been his manager - the modern sanitised Gooner had a moral breakdown and was upset that any AFC player could behave that way, but in GG's time players were taught to defend each other and defend the club and did a lot worse in that pursuit and were loved for it.

I will also say that, even though he wasnt a long term answer, I would have kept sokratis over mustafi every day of the week and twice on a Sunday - mustafi was in every level absolutely dogshite and for life of me I cannot understand why he was kept. Sokratis was an experienced defender who had some leadership qualities too, and again getting rid of him kept in line with cone boys policy of getting shot of anyone who had character and could undermine him

The keeper's situation I am not signing off same hymn sheet as most - I see martinez as a keeper with mistakes in him and who isnt as good as advertised. I look at our keepers in recent years (raya, ramsdale, leno and martinez) and see them all as decent keepers, but none who are top level.

Selling smith-rowe is an absolute NO NO NO from me - no comeback on that in my book.

For record I like calafiori and rate him as a good left full - saying that, since the cone boy jettisoned tierney he is the first full back we have had capable of playing there imo. I get it that tierney's injury record is woeful, but lets be honest here and admit that he was got rid of to make room for the useless gimp that is zinchenko cos he will play inverted :roll: Every signing a club makes should be an upgrade on previous player (unless signing a young player who might not be better now but can develop to be better) - zinchenko is and was neither and continues to be a weak link imo. I dont hate the guy cos some of his issues are created by the tactical imcompetence of his manager.

For the record I would probably have given players like sambi and marquinos more of a chance before casting them away too

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Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:03 pm
augie wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:26 am
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:06 pm
Using hindsight, Martinez is the obvious one. Don’t agree with keeping either Torreira or Guendouzi. Truly desperate stuff to think they are the answer. Even if they are the three we were keeping though, it’s not exactly game changing stuff is it? It’s not Chelsea selling Salah and De Bruyne.

Arteta built a squad from not a lot. We recouped basically nothing from that squad once you do deals to get rid of Pepe, Auba and Ozil and loads of other pay off deals. We were an effing shit show. A literal United clone. Look at them now. Look at us. We’ve got more transfers right than wrong. We have made mistakes. We’ve cocked up last Summer’s window. But I don’t see the need to ironically throw the baby out with the bath water and get rid of Arteta.



The cone boy has made 34 signings since becoming AFC manager - name 18 good ones so
Are you using this info from Transfermarkt? 34 signings apparently. If this is your source then it would make sense to check it. Running through, we have a few issues. Matt Ryan on loan is a signing. I don’t agree. Cedric Soares initial loan and then purchase is in twice. Nope. It’s one purchase. I don’t think this was a good one. Neto loan is also in here. Is that a signing? I wouldn’t say so. Odegaard is in twice. Loan and purchase. Surely one counts. Pablo Mari is also in twice. Loan, then we bought him. Only count that once in my book. So stripping out loans we come down to 29 actual signings. Yes there are some duds. No Pepes in there though. Also the likes of Auston Trusty was clearly never for the first team. He was sold on at a profit after a short period on loan in the Championship. 28 signings therefore. The vast majority successful.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mikel-a ... iner/47620



A loan signing is still a signing although I do agree that they should count as one signing not two

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Scum losing again. Are you not entertained mate :barscarf:

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rodders999 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:13 pm
Scum losing again. Are you not entertained mate :barscarf:
I find it almost incomprehensible that their manager is still there :shock: :?

What a mess that club is.........

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Reno Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:22 pm
rodders999 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:13 pm
Scum losing again. Are you not entertained mate :barscarf:
I find it almost incomprehensible that their manager is still there :shock: :?

What a mess that club is.........

Hope he's still there when we play them

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My thoughts exactly McD. Let him hang in there for a couple more weeks and we can then carry out the mercy killing 8)

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augie wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:03 pm
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:07 pm
augie wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:26 am
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:06 pm
Using hindsight, Martinez is the obvious one. Don’t agree with keeping either Torreira or Guendouzi. Truly desperate stuff to think they are the answer. Even if they are the three we were keeping though, it’s not exactly game changing stuff is it? It’s not Chelsea selling Salah and De Bruyne.

Arteta built a squad from not a lot. We recouped basically nothing from that squad once you do deals to get rid of Pepe, Auba and Ozil and loads of other pay off deals. We were an effing shit show. A literal United clone. Look at them now. Look at us. We’ve got more transfers right than wrong. We have made mistakes. We’ve cocked up last Summer’s window. But I don’t see the need to ironically throw the baby out with the bath water and get rid of Arteta.



The cone boy has made 34 signings since becoming AFC manager - name 18 good ones so
I will answer your question once you have answered mine.



Torreira and Guendouzi would be upgrades on merino and partey and jorginho imo - as many will know I am a defender of emery to a point on here, but playing Torreira in the 10 was lunacy imo, and I think he had real top quality potential for us had he of stayed. I know a lot on here slate guendouzi (as is their right) but I liked him as a midfielder who brought energy to the position - I like midfielders to run hard and close the opposition down and he did that with gusto. Had he a lot to learn ? Absolutely and especially with how to channel his aggression, but that comes with experience and having looked at too many teams in the last 15 years roll over without a fight, I welcomed a player who would fight and battle and stand up for his team-mate (leno) with maupey that time. No doubt his response to maupey (about wages) was cringy, but I dont like the fact that the douzi was thrown under the bus at the time, and I'm wondering how many opinions have changed since when people have seen more examples of what an absolute dickhead maupey is :rubchin: I also look at how guendouzi was treated and wonder how much different had GG been his manager - the modern sanitised Gooner had a moral breakdown and was upset that any AFC player could behave that way, but in GG's time players were taught to defend each other and defend the club and did a lot worse in that pursuit and were loved for it.

I will also say that, even though he wasnt a long term answer, I would have kept sokratis over mustafi every day of the week and twice on a Sunday - mustafi was in every level absolutely dogshite and for life of me I cannot understand why he was kept. Sokratis was an experienced defender who had some leadership qualities too, and again getting rid of him kept in line with cone boys policy of getting shot of anyone who had character and could undermine him

The keeper's situation I am not signing off same hymn sheet as most - I see martinez as a keeper with mistakes in him and who isnt as good as advertised. I look at our keepers in recent years (raya, ramsdale, leno and martinez) and see them all as decent keepers, but none who are top level.

Selling smith-rowe is an absolute NO NO NO from me - no comeback on that in my book.

For record I like calafiori and rate him as a good left full - saying that, since the cone boy jettisoned tierney he is the first full back we have had capable of playing there imo. I get it that tierney's injury record is woeful, but lets be honest here and admit that he was got rid of to make room for the useless gimp that is zinchenko cos he will play inverted :roll: Every signing a club makes should be an upgrade on previous player (unless signing a young player who might not be better now but can develop to be better) - zinchenko is and was neither and continues to be a weak link imo. I dont hate the guy cos some of his issues are created by the tactical imcompetence of his manager.

For the record I would probably have given players like sambi and marquinos more of a chance before casting them away too
Fair enough. The game is about opinions.

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They’re booing his subs now….tick tock :lol:

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I’m worried we will face Spurs managed by a job share of Harry, Tim Sherwood and David Pleat. :lol:

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Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:57 pm
I’m worried we will face Spurs managed by a job share of Harry, Tim Sherwood and David Pleat. :lol:
Give it Gazza till the end of the season :lol:

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rodders999 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:01 pm
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:57 pm
I’m worried we will face Spurs managed by a job share of Harry, Tim Sherwood and David Pleat. :lol:
Give it Gazza till the end of the season :lol:
Give it Ange to the end of the season. :lol:

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Lose today and they will have lost more matches than Manchester United - impressive :lol:

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It'd take well over £100 million to get Isak now. Missed a trick not getting him from Sociadad before the Geordies.

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rodders999 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:01 pm
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:57 pm
I’m worried we will face Spurs managed by a job share of Harry, Tim Sherwood and David Pleat. :lol:
Give it Gazza till the end of the season :lol:



He is on the way with a snack box and a 6 pk of stella :lol: :lol:

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augie wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:31 pm
rodders999 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:01 pm
Limerick Gooner wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:57 pm
I’m worried we will face Spurs managed by a job share of Harry, Tim Sherwood and David Pleat. :lol:
Give it Gazza till the end of the season :lol:



He is on the way with a snack box and a 6 pk of stella :lol: :lol:
It’s who we are mate :barscarf:

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