THE WENGER THREAD

[northbank123]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

[VAVAVOOM 14]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

The delusion is rife. Here we have someone who is essentially saying Wenger will be the greatest manager of all time if he wins the FA Cup 6 times seeing as no other manager has done it and it's more difficult to win than the CL...

Just out of curiosity, what other achievements does Wenger stand alone in accomplishing? And I'm talking about tangible ones, not the virtual sort.

[augie]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

[remigardeshair]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

Three times, but yeah, suggesting the CL is easier to win is beyond ridiculous, not least because it has far more quality sides and the two legged format, cup upsets are far more likely in one off games, how many times have we seen a Chelsea / Bradford type scenario in the CL?

[augie]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

Three times, but yeah, suggesting the CL is easier to win is beyond ridiculous, not least because it has far more quality sides and the two legged format, cup upsets are far more likely in one off games, how many times have we seen a Chelsea / Bradford type scenario in the CL?

It's Monday morning and I'm not totally tuned in so make some allowances for me, but for the life of me I cannot remember the three times we got to the champs league semi's under wenker

[Clash]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

Three times, but yeah, suggesting the CL is easier to win is beyond ridiculous, not least because it has far more quality sides and the two legged format, cup upsets are far more likely in one off games, how many times have we seen a Chelsea / Bradford type scenario in the CL?

It’s actually twice mate . The 2006 final and the 2009 semi final.

That 2 leg format does mean it’s less likely that a top side will suffer a shock defeat to a lesser side … but Arsenal are not one of Europe’s top sides so even that stretched logic doesn't help Nos89's case.

And the selective reasoning of picking out Clough and Paisley could be used the other way round by mentioning that the likes of Portsmouth and Wigan have won the FA Cup in recent years. And didn’t Millwall get to the final without playing a single top flight side ? How would any of those sides have got on in a 2 leg tie against Real Madrid or Bayern Munich?

Yet another example of any common sense having to be put aside to show Wenger in a good light .

[Ikechukwu1]

Surely if the CL is so much easier to win than the FA Cup, then surely the obvious thing to do is errr...just win it?
As an aside, here is a sample fo some of the FA Cup finalists of the past 5 years. Imagine these lot in the CL
Wigan (won it). Hull. Milwall. Portsmouth (won it). Stoke. Everton.
ROFL
The AKBs have now gone to the lengths of claiming the FA Cup is bigger than the CL!

[Ikechukwu1]

Excellent interview with Arjen Robben in the Guardian today. Worth a read. A few highlights:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... -interview

" Pep will give us so much detail on Shakhtar. He already told us that in his Barcelona days he played them four or five times. So he has said: ‘I’m well prepared.’ Before each big game his preparation is incredible.”


“There is an easy explanation,” (for his improved injury record) he says. “I started working with an osteopath in my last year at Real Madrid [in 2009] and I continued when I came here. We have a great medical team and with the special training we do, the extra work I put in, it’s getting control over your body. You know when you are in the danger zone as you get a better understanding of your body.

"When I started working with Pep 18 months ago I noticed how he goes much deeper into football,” Robben says. “His intelligence is obvious. Tactically he’s one of the best in the world and under him I have made more steps in my development"
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I am constantly amazed and amused at Arsenal fans that turn their noses up at Pep managing us. There's no logic to it!

[OneBardGooner]

Is it just me or did we look 'smooth as silk' in the mid-field because Mr Flick and fuckitup Rambo - Was not there to get in the way of the Three Amigo's (Santi-Ozil-Alexis)....reminds me of The Arsenal Usual Suspects T-shirt I bought years ago...

[Supagoon]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

The delusion is rife. Here we have someone who is essentially saying Wenger will be the greatest manager of all time if he wins the FA Cup 6 times seeing as no other manager has done it and it's more difficult to win than the CL...

Just out of curiosity, what other achievements does Wenger stand alone in accomplishing? And I'm talking about tangible ones, not the virtual sort.

de fuuuuuq. Nos89 Surely on the wum.

[BFG4]

The record of Mr. Wenger in the champions league, two semi finals, one final, and the record breaking four in a row of last 16 defeats, all in this supposed easier competition . Also, why is it, we play our strongest side in the CL, but constantly rest players in the FA cup..Oh yeah, its because you could scrape through FA cup games with a weakened side, but would be murdered in the Cl with a weakened side. Im sure the AKB'S will look for ways to downgrade the importance of the PL now that its clear we arent going to win that competition again, under your leader.

[OneBardGooner]

BOO YAAAAAAAAAAAA !

[VAVAVOOM 14]

The funniest thing about the two CL semi-finals we managed to reach ('06 & '09), is that those teams were nowhere near the best we've had under Wenger. The real tragedy is that when we're at our absolute pinnacle - say, '01-'04 - we couldn't even make a ripple on the European scene.

I genuinely beleive we had a talented enough squad to win the CL twice within that time period yet Wenger couldn't even guide us beyond the quarter finals... the most damning evidence of Wenger's shortcomings as a manager: his utterly pathetic failure in the CL . He/we are the most underachieving team in European football history for a club of our stature.

[defleppardisking]

The funniest thing about the two CL semi-finals we managed to reach ('06 & '09), is that those teams were nowhere near the best we've had under Wenger. The real tragedy is that when we're at our absolute pinnacle - say, '01-'04 - we couldn't even make a ripple on the European scene.

I genuinely beleive we had a talented enough squad to win the CL twice within that time period yet Wenger couldn't even guide us beyond the quarter finals... the most damning evidence of Wenger's shortcomings as a manager: his utterly pathetic failure in the CL . He/we are the most underachieving team in European football history for a club of our stature.

Another damn thing is that we also can't win back to back PL title despite won it three times under Wenger. This and his failure in the CL are his biggest shortcomings as a manager.

[northbank123]

The funniest thing about the two CL semi-finals we managed to reach ('06 & '09), is that those teams were nowhere near the best we've had under Wenger. The real tragedy is that when we're at our absolute pinnacle - say, '01-'04 - we couldn't even make a ripple on the European scene.

I genuinely beleive we had a talented enough squad to win the CL twice within that time period yet Wenger couldn't even guide us beyond the quarter finals... the most damning evidence of Wenger's shortcomings as a manager: his utterly pathetic failure in the CL . He/we are the most underachieving team in European football history for a club of our stature.

Another damn thing is that we also can't win back to back PL title despite won it three times under Wenger. This and his failure in the CL are his biggest shortcomings as a manager.

We should have won it 2003 (and three times on the bounce) and it's a crying shame that we didn't do ourselves justice in the CL in those years but not challenging for anything for the best part of a decade is a bit more of a shortcoming in my book