What needs to happen to prove Wenger right?

Post by **g88ner** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:30 pm

Hardly been on here in weeks, and it's quite unbelievable to think that the arguments/tit-for-tat between USMartin and whoever else is STILL in full swing - seriously guys, how much more fuel has this shit got?

Blame each other all you want, but ffs - enough!

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:34 pm

g88ner wrote:Hardly been on here in weeks, and it's quite unbelievable to think that the arguments/tit-for-tat between USMartin and whoever else is STILL in full swing - seriously guys, how much more fuel has this shit got?

Blame each other all you want, but ffs - enough!

+1

Post by **g88ner** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:35 pm

MegaGooner wrote:
g88ner wrote:Hardly been on here in weeks, and it's quite unbelievable to think that the arguments/tit-for-tat between USMartin and whoever else is STILL in full swing - seriously guys, how much more fuel has this shit got?

Blame each other all you want, but ffs - enough!
+1

+2!

well said, g88ner!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:39 pm

northbankbren wrote:US how much divedends have the share holders taken in the last 5 years????

If you were a board member what would be your advise to wenger at the board meeting????

Oh and if yo were a board member would you be happy with the clubs current position?????

PLEASE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS....THE 2ND TWO QUESTIONS I WANT A YES OR A NO OR COURSE WITH AN EXPLINATION....NO IF/BUTS/MAYBES/JUST WHAT YOR REAL REACTION WOULD BE.

If you dont want to just give a straight response with an actual answer ie yes or no....dont bother.

How come you keep falling back on dividends but seem utterly unconcerned by the selling of millions of pounds of shares to outside investors with no connection whatsoever to Arsenal and its supporters other than that stock?

My advice to the manager would be pointless unless it was backed with the support it would require. In other words I would approve junking our current wage structure for a start and make it possible to actually spend more money in the transfer market because we could then actually sign the players who might command higher transfer fees. I would tell him you have 75 million pounds plus whatever you recoup from sales guaranteed. If there is a unique opportunity that requires going beyond that we will review that. Remember we have as much as 100 million we could re-invest in the team now and when the half-year report is released in may we may have and other 25-40 million more available.

As to my own feelings as Board member if I were a multim-millonaire who inherited my holdings or paid 2K a share I would not be upset at all to initiate this policy which might see the share price drop to 7500K a share. But you know what I am a mulimillionaire and stll have made a shitload at 7500K and now I have given the manager a chance to really build another great team. If i did that I would feel damned good.

But then I am a supporter not just another wealthy investor.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:44 pm

And don't forget this we're always told what fans our shareholders are and how the worth of their investment is meaningless compared to the success of the club and the football team.

And again how bad would it be shares for share inherited or bought at 2K a share to be worth say 6500 or 7500 now if the additional investment in the team led to more silverware for the team and happiness for the supporters - including our Board of supporters?

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:46 pm

g88ner wrote:
MegaGooner wrote:
g88ner wrote:Hardly been on here in weeks, and it's quite unbelievable to think that the arguments/tit-for-tat between USMartin and whoever else is STILL in full swing - seriously guys, how much more fuel has this shit got?

Blame each other all you want, but ffs - enough!
+1

+2!

well said, g88ner!

At least we can say we tried, don't think it's gonna help much though

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:41 am

So US you are saying that the club as a business is well run???

But you want us to spend on a few player because the funds are there????

WHY DONT YOU JUST SAY THAT THEN????....its short and simple.....you seem to be trying to come across really inteligent, but all you are doing is spreading your simple point into long and repetitive posts.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:08 am

northbankbren wrote:So US you are saying that the club as a business is well run???

But you want us to spend on a few player because the funds are there????

WHY DONT YOU JUST SAY THAT THEN????....its short and simple.....you seem to be trying to come across really inteligent, but all you are doing is spreading your simple point into long and repetitive posts.

Because I HAVE SAID THAT and I have said that ALL ALONG. I believe that if you look at Arsenal solely as a business and an investment vehicle it is easy to support every policy the Board has put in place. If I ran the club and that was my sole considertaion I would run it similarly if not the very same way.

But that's just it- Arsenal FOOTBALL CLUB is not supposed to be solely a business or investment vehicle for anyone. It is a football club represented by its football team that is also a business. This generation of the Arsenal Board has in my view gone beyond the historical imperative of the Arsenal Way practiced by the Board in the past even to before 2005, which was to run a successful football club ambitiously but responsibly as a viable business - but solely for the benefit of the business the club and the football team's success, stability, sustainability, and survival.

The current overly conservative policy seems aimed elsewhere now, and that is the benefit of the current shareholders - at least those who were in place prior to 2006. Indeed the sole risk to the club's future cam not from borrowing to build the Emirates bout over-borrowing after that money to fund re-developing Highbury a project of at best questionable short-term necessity and questionable long-term benefit to club but to its immediate detriment and potentially its failure, and so far has only benefitted the shareholders that rather than sttle for annual dividends have indicated the desire to sell their shareholdings at wildly inflated profitts - profits which its policies on not investing in the football team have almost certainly helped increase.

Is that we want or deserve - to suffer as supporters so multi-millionaires can be come even richer? The Board could have opted for a different course that would have still ensured the club's viability as a business, the team's success on the football pitch , and rewarded them more than sufficiently for their service to the club and investment in it.. Nobody begruges the Board running the club intelligently. Nobody begruidges the Board making a helatthy profits from their investment. But they should steal the happiness that is what we as supporters live for simply tio make that much more money when they could still make terrific money without denying that to us.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:52 am

Now we hear TV is 3 weeks away.
So did the 'professional' med team regret not sending him for op sooner?

Wasted 3 months before realising he need op?

This is as bad as sending RVP to the gypsy tent in e forrest for placenta jab.

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:53 am

Good point Blade

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:38 pm

Seriously everyone, just ignore USMartin when he posts about the board. Then he wouldn't have anything to say. I'll try to, as well.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:52 pm

Blade wrote:Now we hear TV is 3 weeks away.
So did the 'professional' med team regret not sending him for op sooner?

Wasted 3 months before realising he need op?

This is as bad as sending RVP to the gypsy tent in e forrest for placenta jab.

Yeah but if the board spent money before 2005 why arent they doing it now oops sorry wrong thread

storrmin571 · Post by **storrmin571** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:36 pm

Hold on, lets change this around. What does Wenger have to do to prove us Wrong?

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:10 pm

@USMartin

Already discussed Sol Campbell, Cole Report and Highbury Regeneration with you at length.

You twisted my words again in your latest reply, guess to try and wind me up into replying?

No point. Groundhog Day.
Just can keep on chatting on here forever about the board but it will not affect the board.

If you ever write for Arseblog, Gunnerblog, ArsenalNewsReview of The Swiss Rambler I will show some interest.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:32 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:@USMartin

Already discussed Sol Campbell, Cole Report and Highbury Regeneration with you at length.

You twisted my words again in your latest reply, guess to try and wind me up into replying?

No point. Groundhog Day.
Just can keep on chatting on here forever about the board but it will not affect the board.

If you ever write for Arseblog, Gunnerblog, ArsenalNewsReview of The Swiss Rambler I will show some interest.

No you won't you'll just spin the same shit because protecting the Board's reputation is more important to you than how awful you feel now. Which is fine - that's your choice but you try to convince that suffering so they can be even richer is somehow noble on our part and that's on you.

And nobody twisted your words. I don't do that if I can help and in your case its easy because you say stuff that is easy to show for the crap it is. I don't give a rat's ass if you reply or not really but be a grown-up and own up to what you say or don't say it if you can't when you're called on it.