THE WENGER THREAD

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:14 am

How could Mr and Mrs Jardon have been so cruel to give you a first name such as that?

The Caped Crusader · Post by **The Caped Crusader** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 am

While I'm as frustrated as anyone about his lack of action in the transfer market I do think that Wenger's positives vastly outweigh his negatives. I personally feel that without him in charge we'd be looking at a mid table finish. There are many clubs who have outspent us to no real net benefit, just look at the miserable start to the season the spuds have had. Sunderland have spend a fortune, but seem to be using a scatter gun policy of signing 4 players and hoping at least 1 will make the grade, at the end of the season they'll have spent 4 times as much as us and will be grateful to avoid relegation. I think talk of parting with Wenger is misguided at this stage, a big name signing for the sake of a big name signing might keep the fans happy for a day or two but we need someone who's right for the squad for the next few seasons not a quick fix, after all who had heard of Patrick Vieira before Wenger plucked him from obscurity. That said I wish we could have the best of both worlds and see Wenger become a bit more adventurous in the transfer market, securing Barry or Senna would surely solve a lot of the squads issues, even Arsene can't convince me that Eboue is a suitable option for central midfield. But ultimately I'll stick with Wenger despite the frustrations

hugh jardon · Post by **hugh jardon** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:28 am

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:34 am

The Caped Crusader wrote:While I'm as frustrated as anyone about his lack of action in the transfer market I do think that Wenger's positives vastly outweigh his negatives. I personally feel that without him in charge we'd be looking at a mid table finish. There are many clubs who have outspent us to no real net benefit, just look at the miserable start to the season the spuds have had. Sunderland have spend a fortune, but seem to be using a scatter gun policy of signing 4 players and hoping at least 1 will make the grade, at the end of the season they'll have spent 4 times as much as us and will be grateful to avoid relegation. I think talk of parting with Wenger is misguided at this stage, a big name signing for the sake of a big name signing might keep the fans happy for a day or two but we need someone who's right for the squad for the next few seasons not a quick fix, after all who had heard of Patrick Vieira before Wenger plucked him from obscurity. That said I wish we could have the best of both worlds and see Wenger become a bit more adventurous in the transfer market, securing Barry or Senna would surely solve a lot of the squads issues, even Arsene can't convince me that Eboue is a suitable option for central midfield. But ultimately I'll stick with Wenger despite the frustrations

I hate roy keane with a passion but I will give him kudos in that he has made real efforts to address his teams shortcomings last season and has enhanced the quality in nearly all positions and really as a fan all you can really demand is that any transfer dealings like that should improve on what you already have. What their realistic aims compared to ours is irrelevent but I would be very surprised if they end up fighting relegation though.

When you look at our situation though it is a whole lot more worrying. We have lost 4 senior players from last season (jens,bert,flamoney and hleb) and replaced them with nasri and a 22 year old

Yes a few years ago we were able to bring unknowns like PV4 into the team but that was an experienced team full of internationals so the pressure for players like him to click straight away wasnt really there. Now cos we have a team of kids we are expecting them to be our messiahs when it is neither realistic nor fair to them. I dont want to hear bollox about resale players of potential signings - we need quality experienced signings to lift and improve us now and we'll worry about replacing these "27yr old veterans" in a few years time - then again we'll have the massive property income by then

worthing gooner · Post by **worthing gooner** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:41 am

Passion is running high here and i have no doubt that everyone on here and elsewhere can justify their opinion. What concerns me is that by rucking with each other is a bad sign when things have only gone slightly wrong. If halfway through the season and there is no trophy on the horizon or a solid top 4 league place in the table then lets all run around with our hair on fire panicking.
Just take a breath and chill for a bit and not self destruct.
We all give a toss about the club and show it in different ways but lets not go hunting in packs just yet for gratification.

Stay cool people and look forward to Wednesday and get into that draw for the CL.

AFC
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Wayno · Post by **Wayno** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:59 am

Worthing I like your flag, where did you get it made?

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:05 pm

I think we've had a turn about in AW's team building here. Wenger used to bring young players into an experienced squad and blood them in, but now he's desperately trying to bring experienced players into a young, relatively inexperienced squad. Not enough of the basic building blocks are there IMHO. Added to that the fact that we have a piss weak captain like Gallas suposedly leading by example as one of those few experienced players and it is a pretty weak structure to build a team on.

I love AW dearly for what he has done for this club but I'm honestly only willing to give him 2 more seasons (this one included) to show a marked improvement and prove that this team can develop into a top team.

At the end of the 09/10 season if we haven't won (or at very least made a real effort at winning) the league and the team shows no improvement then I would reluctantly say his great experiment has failed and it would be time for him to go.

Nothing lasts forever and football managers have a shelf life. Wenger's ideas are realistically ideas that were very suited to the game as played in the late 1990's and early 2000's, (indeed, he helped shape the game in that time) but the game changes and develops (tactically and strategically) every ten years or so and sometimes managers that were great during one era are not quite suited to another era. I'm not saying this has deffo happened with AW (before anyone pisses their pants) but it is possibly something that is starting to happen; we won't know for another few years when we can look back on it with the wonder of hindsight...

One thing I will say though, is that we, the fans, owe Wenger our support while he tries to build his 3rd great Arsenal side (more or less from scratch). This is the man that won two doubles (only Rednose can equal that) and managed the only team in the modern game to go a whole league season unbeaten.

As I said, I'll give him til May 2010 and if we are still in the same shit then, I'll hope he does the honourable thing and move on. I never thought I'd write or think something like that but the club miust come first.

RossieGooner · Post by **RossieGooner** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:34 pm

DB10GOONER wrote: One thing I will say though, is that we, the fans, owe Wenger our support while he tries to build his 3rd great Arsenal side (more or less from scratch). This is the man that won two doubles (only Rednose can equal that) and managed the only team in the modern game to go a whole league season unbeaten.

As I said, I'll give him til May 2010 and if we are still in the same shit then, I'll hope he does the honourable thing and move on. I never thought I'd write or think something like that but the club miust come first.

First bit of common sense i seen for days on this forum .... fair play DB.

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:36 pm

RossieGooner wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote: One thing I will say though, is that we, the fans, owe Wenger our support while he tries to build his 3rd great Arsenal side (more or less from scratch). This is the man that won two doubles (only Rednose can equal that) and managed the only team in the modern game to go a whole league season unbeaten.

As I said, I'll give him til May 2010 and if we are still in the same shit then, I'll hope he does the honourable thing and move on. I never thought I'd write or think something like that but the club miust come first.
First bit of common sense i seen for days on this forum .... fair play DB.

Finally someone, well said

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:11 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
Nothing lasts forever and football managers have a shelf life. Wenger's ideas are realistically ideas that were very suited to the game as played in the late 1990's and early 2000's, (indeed, he helped shape the game in that time) but the game changes and develops (tactically and strategically) every ten years or so and sometimes managers that were great during one era are not quite suited to another era. I'm not saying this has deffo happened with AW (before anyone pisses their pants) but it is possibly something that is starting to happen; we won't know for another few years when we can look back on it with the wonder of hindsight...

True that the game moves on ever few years...but that is a major point in what Wenger is now doing.

The current team is quite different from the 1998 team.

That was more about power and dynamic direct play.

The current one is less about pace and direct power, and more about mobility, agility and technical ability.

Wenger is moving on, but with his hands financially tied he can only do so much.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:15 pm

Agreed that is his vision, I'm just a little concerned that possibly he doesn't have the ability to fullfill that particular vision... I hope to be proven very wrong on that, but I just have this niggling doubt...

MyOldMan · Post by **MyOldMan** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:01 pm

As author of this thread I have to admit I was half hoping it would not be as bad as I was fearing. Unfortunately Sat proved my worst fears. Mr.Wenger just forget about the league and lets go for the Champions league this season cos we are gonna have to win it to be in next year.

I am hoping still Arsene proves me wrong and we get it together but buy some players for god sake.

Senderos out!
Walcott not good enough!
Eboue out!
Gallas sub's bench.
Bentnar on loan
Van Persie to little not often enough
Denilson not good enough!
Ramsay waste of 5m
Alumnia not good enough
Song not good enough
Djourou has potential
Eduardo needs time

our best players are Sagna,Clichy,Toure,Fabregas and Adebayor (due to his goals) Nasri looks a good player,and Djourou has potential

7 players that deserve a start and Eduardo when he comes back strong enough.

IMO only 3 consistent players are Sagna,Clichy and Fabregas

Why can't Wenger take a gamble? Djourou in the middle ? try it not rely on Eboue and Denilson.

Come back Bruce Rioch all is forgiven!

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:04 pm

Senderos out! - Done
Walcott not good enough! - maybe right but when hes good hes unstoppable, has disappointed but surely worth perservering with
Eboue out! - fair enough (he was good v fulham and twente imo but has generally been a.poor and b. a prat)
Gallas sub's bench. - if anyone is worth giving time its one of the best all-time prem defenders
Bentnar on loan - yes, was dreadful v mclowns losers, if he had as much time as he thinks e'd be awesome! dwells
Van Persie to little not often enough - just comingback to fitness, has a great scoring record. realign his FK radar and he's worth his starting place for that + his corners (which have been very good) alone
and obv he can be a lot more than 'special teams' when fit
Denilson not good enough! another who was good v rubbish twente his game v fulham was spectacular, cant think of many players being as poor and not getting the hook. his first touch was good in that game - just that his 2nd was always to a fulham player or into touch
Ramsay waste of 5m - ridiculously early to say that, has looked promising and he's only 17ffs
Alumnia not good enough - average but relatively consistent, would have most prem keepers ahead of him
Song not good enough - I disagree, had a 'mare in a loss v fulham last time we lost there but was v good for charlton on loan, quality in the african cup of nations at centremid, brilliant at CB for us in the Carling cup and solid there toward the end of ast season. a real prospect, would be in my first team partnering cesc
Djourou has potential - yes, only time I saw him play centremid was away to pompey in a deadrubber end of season game, looked quite good there, can do those vieira breakaway lungburster runs
Eduardo needs time - obv, not back till Nov earliest, he is the fox in the box
if hed stayed fit with his 1/2 scoing ratio we'd have won the league

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:58 am

...so far

Yes I know there is a long way to go, and I openly admit Im not 100% on Wenger staying. But it seems this year is different, the inevitable collapse of the season has, so far at least, proven to be the surprise comeback of the season.

Tonight off course added to that. And our worst start in decades.

IF we finish above spurs and 3rd as i predict on current form, then dont sell our best in the summer than Wenger has got it, at last.

Even so, there is no denying he has turned our season around.

....so far

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