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flash gunner wrote:Bould is another Wenger disciple, there is no way Wenger would have taken him on as his number 2 if he thought he would be challenged. No change im afraid
I wrote this on the 19th of July
As we are doing the "augie" I wrote this on the 24th July;
I think a few people might be missing the point a bit here. Certainly the club lie to us all the time, but I don't buy into they made Chesney say this shit to appease us the fans, simply because the Board don't give a flying fuck about us the fans. Chesney is just a gobby fucker, always has an opinion, always wants to be interviewed. He was most likely asked about defensive training and he just gave HIS opinion on it, albeit careful not to rock the boat and get himself dropped. He's hardly likely to say "Aw yeah it's still a bit shit at the back" is he?
What concerns me is the ammount of REAL impact Bouldy might or might not have. Bouldy is very much a Wenger man who won’t rock the boat - I think even his biggest admirers can admit this after reading a few of his previous statements (and by the very fact that Lord Vader appointed him!).
Hugely important then is where Bouldy comes from as a coach. All the youth teams he was involved in play tippy tappy in the same style as the senior team (as is club policy since Arsene took over).
Sure, having a club-wide style of play was not a bad thing in the days of Henry, Freddie, DB10, Pires and Vieira (when that style was fast aggressive attacking football played on the break at speed – with great protection of the CH’s by top class DM’s) but now that our sub-Barca version of tippy tappy has been proven to be shit for us, it’s worrying that the entire club still plays it.
So I’d imagine an emphasis on tippy tappy will still result in the ethos of solid defending being almost an afterthought in the greater scheme of things, no matter how much work Bouldy does. Our defenders are pushed by Wenger to distribute the ball, to play out of trouble - it's as if the more old school methods of defending (for example; Row Z-ing the ball in an emergency) are frowned upon as "beneath" us, and they probably are frowned upon.
The whole ethos at the club is pass at all costs.
Hopefully Bouldy can at least help them with basic stuff like positioning at set pieces etc but I’d be very surprised if he has any more impact than Pat Rice did.
Here's a question for ye.......what should Bouldie be doing over this situation ? I mean should he ask to be dropped back down to manager of the reserves or should he even resign from the club altogether ? Doing the latter would be a huge risk cos he might never get a job with the club again but the fact is that this saga is public now with every single paper covering it today so his credibility has been significantly undermined now anyway Of course there is the very real possibility that Bouldie or someone close to him leaked this story to increase the pressure on wenger and/or to get some change in his status within the club
flash gunner wrote:Bould is another Wenger disciple, there is no way Wenger would have taken him on as his number 2 if he thought he would be challenged. No change im afraid
I wrote this on the 19th of July
As we are doing the "augie" I wrote this on the 24th July;
I think a few people might be missing the point a bit here. Certainly the club lie to us all the time, but I don't buy into they made Chesney say this shit to appease us the fans, simply because the Board don't give a flying fuck about us the fans. Chesney is just a gobby fucker, always has an opinion, always wants to be interviewed. He was most likely asked about defensive training and he just gave HIS opinion on it, albeit careful not to rock the boat and get himself dropped. He's hardly likely to say "Aw yeah it's still a bit shit at the back" is he?
What concerns me is the ammount of REAL impact Bouldy might or might not have. Bouldy is very much a Wenger man who won’t rock the boat - I think even his biggest admirers can admit this after reading a few of his previous statements (and by the very fact that Lord Vader appointed him!).
Hugely important then is where Bouldy comes from as a coach. All the youth teams he was involved in play tippy tappy in the same style as the senior team (as is club policy since Arsene took over).
Sure, having a club-wide style of play was not a bad thing in the days of Henry, Freddie, DB10, Pires and Vieira (when that style was fast aggressive attacking football played on the break at speed – with great protection of the CH’s by top class DM’s) but now that our sub-Barca version of tippy tappy has been proven to be shit for us, it’s worrying that the entire club still plays it.
So I’d imagine an emphasis on tippy tappy will still result in the ethos of solid defending being almost an afterthought in the greater scheme of things, no matter how much work Bouldy does. Our defenders are pushed by Wenger to distribute the ball, to play out of trouble - it's as if the more old school methods of defending (for example; Row Z-ing the ball in an emergency) are frowned upon as "beneath" us, and they probably are frowned upon.
The whole ethos at the club is pass at all costs.
Hopefully Bouldy can at least help them with basic stuff like positioning at set pieces etc but I’d be very surprised if he has any more impact than Pat Rice did.
Fingers crossed, huh?
Sometimes I hate being so perfect...
Well done you two. Want a cookie?
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augie wrote:Here's a question for ye.......what should Bouldie be doing over this situation ? I mean should he ask to be dropped back down to manager of the reserves or should he even resign from the club altogether ? Doing the latter would be a huge risk cos he might never get a job with the club again but the fact is that this saga is public now with every single paper covering it today so his credibility has been significantly undermined now anyway Of course there is the very real possibility that Bouldie or someone close to him leaked this story to increase the pressure on wenger and/or to get some change in his status within the club
Exactly mate, it's a difficult situation for him for 2 reasons. The problems with him resigning are:
1) It may well be saying bye to his dreams of football management at the top level and will at any rate set his career back years.
2) All the Wenger defenders out there won't give a shit and he'll be quietly replaced by another token member of the coaching staff who has little input and no standing to challenge Wenger.
He's probably just waiting in place because he doesn't want all his hard work over the years to be spunked away and this way he is in pole position to help the club move forward when Wenger is finally gone.
I don't think for a minute Wenger would resign mid-season but if he did Bouldy would be looking at a caretaker manager stint for possibly a few months as well as being in a great position to have a hand in the new management regime or alternatively establish some credibility as a manager in his own right.
I would rather have Bouldy there then some little-known foreign yes-man or any other member of the coaching staff promoted. Presuming that the stories about his fractious relationship with Wenger is true, at least he's making some sort of stand and these stories coming out are doing more to discredit Wenger than if Bould had quietly resigned with a non-disclosure agreement.
Also Flash was technically wrong. Said Bould is a Wenger disciple which he clearly isn't! Otherwise he would have been a yes man and not a stand up to him like he's done!
He tried to change things from the off and was overruled and has been largely sidelined . His input is little more than Pat Rices ,putting out cones.
He wont resign or fight Wenger because of his whopping salary ,but little does he know that darth IS planning to replace him or bring someone in over him at the end of the season !
Funnily enough when he sidelines him, wenger will site that he was brought in to help with the defence but things didn't work out !
Well, I used to have enormous respect for Bouldy as part of the best back four ever to grace Arsenal (and probably English Football)...But He should Man Up and tell Wenker what's what!...Instead he's taking the money and keeping his head down....
I was so hopeful that when they announced him as Pat Rice's replacement - That we would have a solid defence...and it seemed that was the case at the start of the season..as our defence looked much better than last season...so what the fuck happened?....
Bould seems to be immune to criticism but I have to say the longer things go on like this the more and more respect I'm losing for him. May well be playing his cards with both eyes on his future but fact is he's yet another silent cog in a dictatorial machine.
Bould's job description is to agree to everything Wenger says.There is no way Wenger would have moved him up if he was going to question him.He's on a great wage to keep his mouth shut and put the cones out
Whilst I agree Wenger dislikes dissent and argument, did he have any way of knowing how much Bould would argue?
Bould had been working with the youth team, therefore I wonder how much scope for argument with Wenger he had before this season?
Bould took a while to decide if he wanted the new first team job, and maybe he felt he could genuinely make a difference to a defence that was below what he expected from Arsenal?
We all go on rumour but I get the impression Bould is very unhappy in his new job.
I really do not believe that Bould (and Rice before him) have been allowed the input in coaching that they hoped to have.
Get real people,Bould is on a million quid a year for putting out the cones ,its way more than he ever earned as a player.
WTF would he earn if he wasn't at Arsenal ? I can tell you ...............not a lot !
No other assistant gets anything like that in football cept maybe at MUFC or Chelsea , few managers get that in the premiership let alone assistants who will be lucky to earn 200 K per annum .
To think that he would resign over the issue is ridiculous in the extreme !
I wrote this on the 24th July;
Of course there is the very real possibility that Bouldie or someone close to him leaked this story to increase the pressure on wenger and/or to get some change in his status within the club 
