THE WENGER THREAD

[foxinthebox2001]

Is that the new water bottle, designed to commemorate the only muscle on Abou Diaby's anatomy that he has not pulled?

[I Hate Hleb]

In order to buy one do you HAVE to be a WUM?

You want to use it as a dildo don't you

Is it THAT obvious?

[SydneyGooner]

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Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.

It is not about money, we are not a non-league club with an annual transfer budget of £50,000.

It is about how we have spent the money we have spent.
It is about tactics.
It is about how we train.
It is about our injury and rehabilitation records.

But we are also not owned by a man willing to spend over a billion pounds on us.

We have spent money on some great players for example Arshavin. Fantastic player when he came, so much potential. However, he went completely of the boil, didn't look interested and got really lazy. How was our manager to know his attitude stank so badly? He didn't know him personally. He saw a great player, bought him and the player let him down badly. This is the best example I could think of this happening, but there are plenty others I could bring up, where it's the player who should be blamed, and not wenger. The same thing looks to be happening to ozil.

And what has our injury record got to do with wenger?

I'm sorry but you are clearly a WUM and barely worth responding to.

Yes Arshavin was a great player but was wasted and played out of position by Wenger so he just gave up.
It is the manager's job to keep players motivated.

Yes Ozil was a great player. Same problem here plus Wenger plays him until he gets injured You havent mentioned Sanchez but the same is now happening to him. Seen what the common link is yet - Wenger. Funny how top players got to other clubs and perform. At Arsenal they come and are successful to start with then drop away through exhaustion/injury. I am sick of it and this never ending cycle keeps getting repeated because weak pathetic characters like yourself keep propping up a faded regime.

Both Arshavin and Ozil were/are played out of position by Wenger but the former for about a season and a bit was a genuine world class player who even when played out of position could win you games on his own while the latter has proven to be nothing more than an overrated luxury player that you put into an already world class team. We should've built the team around Arshavin and RvP once it was clear Fabregas was going to Farca.

[OneBardGooner]

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My point is, blame wenger anyone with an iota of intelligence knows it is his fault.

We have spent money on some great players for example Arshavin. Fantastic player when he came, then wenger in his inimitable stupid, arrogant way plays him out of position all the time - till the player loses the will to live, play and stay at Arsenal which is why he went completely off the boil, the same thing has happened to Ozil and will probably happen to Alexis...Only a clueless cun.t like wenger could destroy three such world class players.

Cannot argue with any of that

[mcdowell42]

How is Baba not all over this thread,and all over our new member.

[QuartzGooner]

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Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.

It is not about money, we are not a non-league club with an annual transfer budget of £50,000.

It is about how we have spent the money we have spent.
It is about tactics.
It is about how we train.
It is about our injury and rehabilitation records.

But we are also not owned by a man willing to spend over a billion pounds on us.

We have spent money on some great players for example Arshavin. Fantastic player when he came, so much potential. However, he went completely of the boil, didn't look interested and got really lazy. How was our manager to know his attitude stank so badly? He didn't know him personally. He saw a great player, bought him and the player let him down badly. This is the best example I could think of this happening, but there are plenty others I could bring up, where it's the player who should be blamed, and not wenger. The same thing looks to be happening to ozil.

And what has our injury record got to do with wenger?

We do not need a billion pounds spent on us.
We could buy the players we need by selling off some of our lesser squad players, and adding in a bit of sponsorship and prize money.

We have needed a tough defensive midfielder for ages, Coquelin is good but we need one more - that is Wenger's fault.

It is much more about tactics than players though.
We too often set up in the wrong formation, and our in game substitutions are minimal and barely effective, have been for years.
Monaco was the latest in a long line of tactical messes.

The odd player can turn out to be a dud (Arshavin), but we had too many of them.
He did have a poor attitude, and whilst he would have been best at number 10, he was good out wide in the first six months.
But it is up to Wenger to check into players' background and mindstates.


Injuries?

Buck stops with Wenger.
He has now made efforts to rectify things, new fitness coach, improvements to training ground etc.
All good.

But pointless if the basics are ignored and players are run into the ground, not rested at appropriate times.
That is Wenger's decision as we saw Fabregas, RvP and Wilshere all injured through over playing.

We can dissect everything to minute detail but nine years and counting without a league title is good enough reason to bring in a new manager.

[flash gunner]

Right we've had a whip round and clubbed enough cash together to buy the WUM a new one of these -



Drink out of it, spunk into it, whatevs, just enjoy with love from me to you

Leave my mate Ty alone

[StuartL]

I'm all for debate when it is reasoned , but this new poster is clearly saying everything to get a reaction not to make a point.

Not sure about cloaked gooner, could be a cloaked spud.
cloaked = clandestine, gooner = goner (sums up Spurs trophy chances) + a 0, Spurs last 2 scores.
You can't fool me.

Always enjoyed the clues in 3,2,1....nice to meet Ted Rogers

[flash gunner]

I'm all for debate when it is reasoned , but this new poster is clearly saying everything to get a reaction not to make a point.

Not sure about cloaked gooner, could be a cloaked spud.
cloaked = clandestine, gooner = goner (sums up Spurs trophy chances) + a 0, Spurs last 2 scores.
You can't fool me.

Always enjoyed the clues in 3,2,1....nice to meet Ted Rogers

[SteveO 35]

Been watching this site for a while, but this is my first contribution. I'm sick to death of all the wenger hating on here. It's time someone stood up for a man who's given so much to the club. 3 league titles, and 5 FA cups says it all, yet that's not good enough for some of the spoilt glory hunters on this site? It makes me sick to read some of the bile on here. The man is a purist, who has the right footballing idea. He even got us to the champions league final. Yeah, results haven't been great recently, but HE NEEDS TIME! Wait until the stadium is paid off at least!!!

After the Cup win last season you were all like "Wenger in!" Now we lose to Monaco and it's all "Wenger out!" We should be greatful we still have him, not hound him out the door like some scared rabbit.

I hear you fella....I hear you. Sadly a little ARSENE love is not allowed anymore

Us AKBs now need to resort to the underworld of PMs to spread the love

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[CloakedGooner]

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My point is, blame wenger anyone with an iota of intelligence knows it is his fault.

We have spent money on some great players for example Arshavin. Fantastic player when he came, then wenger in his inimitable stupid, arrogant way plays him out of position all the time - till the player loses the will to live, play and stay at Arsenal which is why he went completely off the boil, the same thing has happened to Ozil and will probably happen to Alexis...Only a clueless cun.t like wenger could destroy three such world class players.

Cannot argue with any of that

Hmm.... Strange, I don't remember saying any of that!

[CloakedGooner]

I know a lot of you have very anti wenger views, but can I ask a legit question out of curiosity? IF wenger did make the right purchases in the summer, and we win the title, how would you feel about the man? Would you be willing to give him a second chance? What would he have to do to make up for those eight trophieless years?

[flash gunner]

I know a lot of you have very anti wenger views, but can I ask a legit question out of curiosity? IF wenger did make the right purchases in the summer, and we win the title, how would you feel about the man? Would you be willing to give him a second chance? What would he have to do to make up for those eight trophieless years?

Not entirely sure if you're on a wind up or not so i'll answer honestly for now. I want Wenger gone he will never win another Championship with Arsenal his tactics are dated and even his buys are on the most part average to poor, he plays players out of position and fails to get the best out of them and quite frankly he is not fit to be Arsenal manager anymore IMO.

Personally I don't give a fuck about top 4 or European Cup qualification as we stand no chance of winning the damn competition and are further away from it as we have EVER been. I'm a football fan not an accounts fan so the money of top 4 means fuck all to me I want to win the league ANYTHING else is failure.

To answer your question I f by a miracle we were to win the league with Wenger I would happily admit I was wrong but unfortunately that will never happen

[QuartzGooner]

Cloaked Gooner

Speaking for myself, Wenger has had three 'Second chances" -

- The MKIII Wenger team, failure of his 2007 - 2008 team to win the title, but it came close.

- The MKIV Wenger team, failure of the transitional 2008 - 2011 period - one I will associate with Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner etc.

- The MKV Wenger team, 2011 - 2014 failure of his Cesc and RvP lead team to win the title.

We are now in his MKVI Team, what I will provisionally call "The Alexis Sanchez Team".

If we did win the title in 2016 or 2017, then no, I would not want Wenger to continue beyond the summer of 2017.
For all the reasons I outlined in my previous post, but mainly, that it is not just about players, it is about Wenger's tactics and training routines.

I wanted him gone summer 2011, but am realistic enough to know that under Stan Kroenke, Wenger will be in place until the end of his contract summer 2017, barring a scandal.
We might get a new assistant boss, or head coach, but Wenger on £7 - £8M per season, is not running off.

We have had pro-Wenger types on here before, few of them last long.
This Forum is 90% "Wenger Out," has been heading that way for six seasons.
Particularly since summer 2011.
Not through blind prejudice, but through a gradual process of debate, discussion and argument.

[CloakedGooner]

I know a lot of you have very anti wenger views, but can I ask a legit question out of curiosity? IF wenger did make the right purchases in the summer, and we win the title, how would you feel about the man? Would you be willing to give him a second chance? What would he have to do to make up for those eight trophieless years?

Not entirely sure if you're on a wind up or not so i'll answer honestly for now. I want Wenger gone he will never win another Championship with Arsenal his tactics are dated and even his buys are on the most part average to poor, he plays players out of position and fails to get the best out of them and quite frankly he is not fit to be Arsenal manager anymore IMO.

Personally I don't give a fuck about top 4 or European Cup qualification as we stand no chance of winning the damn competition and are further away from it as we have EVER been. I'm a football fan not an accounts fan so the money of top 4 means fuck all to me I want to win the league ANYTHING else is failure.

To answer your question I f by a miracle we were to win the league with Wenger I would happily admit I was wrong but unfortunately that will never happen

I agree with you about the bank account. If it could be proved that it's just sitting in an account like some people suggest, I would be really pissed off. I simply can't believe the manager wouldn't use the money if we had it. After all, why would it benefit him to leave it in the clubs bank account? Sadly we cannot know for sure.

However im sure we both hope you will feel the need to admit you were wrong about us being champions sometime in the near future