THE WENGER THREAD

[Swifty]

Going well isn't he! 2nd and on a roll.

[flash gunner]

He's doing a good job

Itchy's very quiet

[postmanPat91]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... form-table

Get your plonkers ready you miserable bastards - we've just raked in another virtual trophy in the shape of the "European form table"

[augie]

He's doing a good job

Itchy's very quiet

Is he fcuk - he is doing nothing differently than he was doing last season or the season before that but this season the luck is very much on his side I thought in the last few seasons that the standard of the premiership had reached rock bottom, but this season has surpassed that - to watch the league's 2nd best team (ignore the table for now) last night against a shit palace team, gives a very poor reflection on the quality of the league and everybody must surely concede that ?

[Redarmy]

He's doing a good job

Itchy's very quiet

Is he fcuk - he is doing nothing differently than he was doing last season or the season before that but this season the luck is very much on his side I thought in the last few seasons that the standard of the premiership had reached rock bottom, but this season has surpassed that - to watch the league's 2nd best team (ignore the table for now) last night against a shit palace team, gives a very poor reflection on the quality of the league and everybody must surely concede that ?

Dont give a fuck about that, just want to win the Title

[Redarmy]

Big thing that annoys about Wenger is....
Petr Cech could be Arsenal's game-changer - just like Eric Cantona was for Manchester United, from todays Telegraph.....but will he do it NO, because everyone wants it......

[SPUDMASHER]

He's doing a good job

Itchy's very quiet

Is he fcuk - he is doing nothing differently than he was doing last season or the season before that but this season the luck is very much on his side I thought in the last few seasons that the standard of the premiership had reached rock bottom, but this season has surpassed that - to watch the league's 2nd best team (ignore the table for now) last night against a shit palace team, gives a very poor reflection on the quality of the league and everybody must surely concede that ?

At some point though Augie you're going to have to concede that the team is doing well and if you lambast him and blame it on him when they're not then you have to give him a pat on the back when they are.
You can't have it both ways mate. If it's his fault when they're shit then surely it has to be his credit when they're good?

Maybe if luck is on his side this season then luck has been against him in the previous few? Again, you can't argue both ways just to suit your personal view on they guy.

Let's assume that by some miracle we win the FA Cup again this year and next year go on to win the Premiership. Would he still be shit then? He'd have delivered what us fans want.......trophies.

Just playing devil's advocate of course but can you see the point?

[You are my sunshine]

There always comes a point when individuals will have a point of view which cannot be changed. I will vote the same way at the next general election, irrespective of who is in charge of the party I vote for. I will also always support Arsenal irrespective of who is at the helm. Everything that goes right is luck and eveything that goes wrong is Wenger's fault.

[augie]

The coquelin situation is a case in point - the guy was virtually out the door with his bags packed when yet another injury crisis hit and we finally got a proper DM (although I still believe that we need better in that position). That one thing has improved the balance of the team hugely and happened through luck rather than any intelligence on wenker's behalf.
I would suggest that bellerin has also proved to be a stroke of luck for wenker - the young Spaniard entered this season as 3rd choice right full, and now due to injuries, he has leapfrogged chambers (the guy who wenker bought as 2nd choice right back last summer) and proven to be a success Did wenker not recognise his ability last summer ? If he did then why buy another player to put ahead of him in the pecking order ? Methinks bellerin was another guy that le cock didn't rate but who has proven to be a good squad player.

This season le cock has been absolutely blessed imo - we still went into the season short on talent in key positions and that was inexcusable imo, but the fact that citeeh, manure and the victims have been absolute dogshite has allowed us climb as high as 2nd in the league Has le cock changed his formation this season ? Has he changed his tactical gameplan (apart from citeeh away when,by his own admission, his players pushed for that change) ? We can talk about injuries or team changes that happened by chance, but the biggest proof for me is that fact that neither formation nor tactics have changed after several failed seasons, and any improvements have come through luck rather than any change in attitude/mentality by the manager.

Still enjoy results like Saturday's mind you

[You are my sunshine]

It will be interesting to see if Coquelin is dropped as soon as Arteta is ready to play.

[markyp]

There always comes a point when individuals will have a point of view which cannot be changed. I will vote the same way at the next general election, irrespective of who is in charge of the party I vote for. I will also always support Arsenal irrespective of who is at the helm. Everything that goes right is luck and eveything that goes wrong is Wenger's fault.

the point that Augie is making though which is the same for me and countless others is that yes we are second but we havent put in a serious title challenge this season and under Wenger never will again,i don't care that we are on a roll right now it wont continue next season only in fits and starts.alot of people have short memories,the good run we are having now right at the end of the season when its too late is no different to last season.the only difference being last season we hit the ground running then fell to pieces about now,where as now we were shit early doors and have got it together at the end,how does that make Arsene a good manager??we are fortunate that city,utd,spuds,liverpool,everton have been dire,its making us look good,fact is we aint all that and whilst Wenker remains in charge it will be the same next season and the season after,a purple patch per season then mediocrity for the rest.yes im happy that we are playing well but it doesn't change the fact that under Wenker we will always come up short,believe in him if you are stupid enough to,its up to you

[You are my sunshine]

Where did I say I beieved in him? I think he should have gone when his contract ended last time, but for some reason that is just not the Arsenal way.
I will still give him credit when things are going well.

[SPUDMASHER]

There always comes a point when individuals will have a point of view which cannot be changed. I will vote the same way at the next general election, irrespective of who is in charge of the party I vote for. I will also always support Arsenal irrespective of who is at the helm. Everything that goes right is luck and eveything that goes wrong is Wenger's fault.

the point that Augie is making though which is the same for me and countless others is that yes we are second but we havent put in a serious title challenge this season and under Wenger never will again,i don't care that we are on a roll right now it wont continue next season only in fits and starts.alot of people have short memories,the good run we are having now right at the end of the season when its too late is no different to last season.the only difference being last season we hit the ground running then fell to pieces about now,where as now we were shit early doors and have got it together at the end,how does that make Arsene a good manager??we are fortunate that city,utd,spuds,liverpool,everton have been dire,its making us look good,fact is we aint all that and whilst Wenker remains in charge it will be the same next season and the season after,a purple patch per season then mediocrity for the rest.yes im happy that we are playing well but it doesn't change the fact that under Wenker we will always come up short,believe in him if you are stupid enough to,its up to you

All the points I've highlighted in bold though are just assumptions on your part. They're not fact because they haven't had opportunity to happen yet. You don't know them to be true any more than anyone else.

I'm no AKB (ask those on here that actually know me) but it does seem to me that even if we win the treble every season for the next five years it would be down to luck and Wenger would still be shit etc. etc. etc.

If you blame him when its bad then you have to applaud him when its good. It's hypocrisy to do anything other than that. You can't have it both ways. At the moment he is a strong bet to deliver an F A Cup this season and possible finish second. That's not a bad season for any team. I don't give a fuck if the other top clubs are perceived as being shit this year or not. You can only compete in the league that you're in and as things stand we're the second best team in the country. We'd all like to be the best of course but to consider being second a failure is ridiculous.

[You are my sunshine]

Unless your hatred of Wenger is so ingrained that you would consider it hypocrisy to give him any credit..........

[Redarmy]

There always comes a point when individuals will have a point of view which cannot be changed. I will vote the same way at the next general election, irrespective of who is in charge of the party I vote for. I will also always support Arsenal irrespective of who is at the helm. Everything that goes right is luck and eveything that goes wrong is Wenger's fault.

the point that Augie is making though which is the same for me and countless others is that yes we are second but we havent put in a serious title challenge this season and under Wenger never will again,i don't care that we are on a roll right now it wont continue next season only in fits and starts.alot of people have short memories,the good run we are having now right at the end of the season when its too late is no different to last season.the only difference being last season we hit the ground running then fell to pieces about now,where as now we were shit early doors and have got it together at the end,how does that make Arsene a good manager??we are fortunate that city,utd,spuds,liverpool,everton have been dire,its making us look good,fact is we aint all that and whilst Wenker remains in charge it will be the same next season and the season after,a purple patch per season then mediocrity for the rest.yes im happy that we are playing well but it doesn't change the fact that under Wenker we will always come up short,believe in him if you are stupid enough to,its up to you

All the points I've highlighted in bold though are just assumptions on your part. They're not fact because they haven't had opportunity to happen yet. You don't know them to be true any more than anyone else.

I'm no AKB (ask those on here that actually know me) but it does seem to me that even if we win the treble every season for the next five years it would be down to luck and Wenger would still be shit etc. etc. etc.

If you blame him when its bad then you have to applaud him when its good. It's hypocrisy to do anything other than that. You can't have it both ways. At the moment he is a strong bet to deliver an F A Cup this season and possible finish second. That's not a bad season for any team. I don't give a fuck if the other top clubs are perceived as being shit this year or not. You can only compete in the league that you're in and as things stand we're the second best team in the country. We'd all like to be the best of course but to consider being second a failure is ridiculous.

Yeah a lot of truth in there, do you honestly think Chelsea will be saying, " Shit we won the title but it was a poor quality league this year", But what the other fella was saying about Coquelin and Bellerin also rings true from Wengers first team dealings