THE WENGER THREAD

[QuartzGooner]

HERD

Primarily this is a Forum for people to vent and discuss, there is no onus for members to do anything other than type.
Personally me, Woots and Dan_85 contributed quite a few hours to an arsenalfcnotplc plan of action, but few shared our vision so nothing much happened, plus it did not help that the bloke running the Twitter account went off on his own tangent!

My belief is that I want Kroenke out, because I see no progress under him, and I see Kroenke staying loyal to Wenger.
If a Kroenke out movement starts, I would contribute.

[Herd]

Quartz fella ,I agree no one has to do anything ,and that's precisely what they have done too !

Forgive me for saying the Arsenal FC Not PLC had a nice title, but little of substance behind it and seemed like a thinly veiled Wenger out movement based on Twitter and Facebook ,which is simply moving the whinging into another part of cyberspace ,not really productive.

For me the horse has left the stable in that Clock end Danny Fizbang and the rest of the shit house board bled Kroenke for so much dough ,that Kroenke never had any intention of investing more money in the club .
Nothing will change now unless pressure is put on the board to do so ,however since stan is rarely in London he doesn't feel the heat,whilst Hillwood blusters on and Gazidis and Wenger are paid loads of money to keep a lid on the shit by showing a united front even though Wenger hates Gazidis.........allegedly .

But I digress,my point was that at Arsenal as in life if you want to do something then u need to get up off your arse and make it happen,moaning about it won't change a thing !

[QuartzGooner]

HERD

The arsenalfcnotplc group was never Wenger out, nor about ticket prices. Was purely about trying to get the club to spend their cash reserves on players.
We had a lot more ideas than Facebook or Twitter but people did not stick to the main idea, so it all fell apart.

I agree Kroenke will not readily be putting any more money into the club, but his shares have gone up a lot since he bought them.

Which makes me think he may sell for a nice profit?

[The "Arsene Wenger What Stage Are You At?" Poll Thread has now been merged with this one].

[northbank123]

From BBC:

New Zealand's Dominion Post carries a piece criticising All Blacks hooker Andrew Hore's failure to apologise for knocking Wales lock Bradley Davies unconscious during Saturday's match in Cardiff.

The paper also attacked head coach Steve Hansen for his silence on the incident. It reads: "The All Blacks coach, like many of his predecessors, clearly suffers from Arsene Wenger syndrome, an unfortunate irritation of the optic nerve that causes temporary blindness when watching your own team."


Do you think the writer's just having a bit of light-hearted fun about Wenger's "I didn't see it", or is he also extremely frustrated by Wenger persisting with the same underachieving players and rigid tactics despite all visible evidence to the contrary?

[DB10GOONER]

From BBC:

New Zealand's Dominion Post carries a piece criticising All Blacks hooker Andrew Hore's failure to apologise for knocking Wales lock Bradley Davies unconscious during Saturday's match in Cardiff.

The paper also attacked head coach Steve Hansen for his silence on the incident. It reads: "The All Blacks coach, like many of his predecessors, clearly suffers from Arsene Wenger syndrome, an unfortunate irritation of the optic nerve that causes temporary blindness when watching your own team."


Do you think the writer's just having a bit of light-hearted fun about Wenger's "I didn't see it", or is he also extremely frustrated by Wenger persisting with the same underachieving players and rigid tactics despite all visible evidence to the contrary?

In fairness he's a Kiwi so he was probably balls deep in a sheep when he wrote it.

[northbank123]

From BBC:

New Zealand's Dominion Post carries a piece criticising All Blacks hooker Andrew Hore's failure to apologise for knocking Wales lock Bradley Davies unconscious during Saturday's match in Cardiff.

The paper also attacked head coach Steve Hansen for his silence on the incident. It reads: "The All Blacks coach, like many of his predecessors, clearly suffers from Arsene Wenger syndrome, an unfortunate irritation of the optic nerve that causes temporary blindness when watching your own team."


Do you think the writer's just having a bit of light-hearted fun about Wenger's "I didn't see it", or is he also extremely frustrated by Wenger persisting with the same underachieving players and rigid tactics despite all visible evidence to the contrary?

In fairness he's a Kiwi so he was probably balls deep in a sheep when he wrote it.

Ahh no wonder I identified with it so much then

[Revgoon89]

From BBC:

New Zealand's Dominion Post carries a piece criticising All Blacks hooker Andrew Hore's failure to apologise for knocking Wales lock Bradley Davies unconscious during Saturday's match in Cardiff.

The paper also attacked head coach Steve Hansen for his silence on the incident. It reads: "The All Blacks coach, like many of his predecessors, clearly suffers from Arsene Wenger syndrome, an unfortunate irritation of the optic nerve that causes temporary blindness when watching your own team."


Do you think the writer's just having a bit of light-hearted fun about Wenger's "I didn't see it", or is he also extremely frustrated by Wenger persisting with the same underachieving players and rigid tactics despite all visible evidence to the contrary?

In fairness he's a Kiwi so he was probably balls deep in a sheep when he wrote it.

Ahh no wonder I identified with it so much then

You would get on with my mother then.

[Herd]

Quartz
Fair does fella ,and i fully support the stated aims you had but it fell apart very fast .
I'm not sure the current share price is reflective of the value in that there are so few shares being traded right now and Usmanov is keeping those few shares short of 30 percent because otherwise he would have to bid to buy the rest at the inflated price.
Stan will not spend for sure so we need to get more money from elsewhere or have groundhog day every summer which is what i fear for the next 20 years (provided we don't all croak on 21st Dec).

[SteveO 35]

I do hope that the news that we might be able to win the Virtual Trophy by finishing 7th in 2014 will spark the board into life and get that contract extension in place

I, for one, want to be there in 2017 to witness the "I have worked in football for 35 years, how many games have you managed?" quote which will coincide with 12 consecutive years of winning the Virtual Trophy

There's Only One Arsene Wenger

Keep those season ticket renewals rolling in lads and watch Arsene take another £20m out of the club over 3 years

[northbank123]

Quartz
Fair does fella ,and i fully support the stated aims you had but it fell apart very fast .
I'm not sure the current share price is reflective of the value in that there are so few shares being traded right now and Usmanov is keeping those few shares short of 30 percent because otherwise he would have to bid to buy the rest at the inflated price.
Stan will not spend for sure so we need to get more money from elsewhere or have groundhog day every summer which is what i fear for the next 20 years (provided we don't all croak on 21st Dec).

I'm not personally familiar with the Takeover Code but isn't there some kind of exception to the 30% trigger if there is a majority shareholder? I'm not sure if it's automatic or only if the two parties agree but I'm sure there is something there.

Either way there's not too much point in Usmanov pushing his shareholding up incrementally any more. He's got the blocking vote in any special resolutions which is key and there's nothing really to be gained by buying up the other shares whilst Kroenke owns 60-something per cent given that he's not in it as an investment per se.

[QuartzGooner]

Quartz
Fair does fella ,and i fully support the stated aims you had but it fell apart very fast .
I'm not sure the current share price is reflective of the value in that there are so few shares being traded right now and Usmanov is keeping those few shares short of 30 percent because otherwise he would have to bid to buy the rest at the inflated price.
Stan will not spend for sure so we need to get more money from elsewhere or have groundhog day every summer which is what i fear for the next 20 years (provided we don't all croak on 21st Dec).

I'm not personally familiar with the Takeover Code but isn't there some kind of exception to the 30% trigger if there is a majority shareholder? I'm not sure if it's automatic or only if the two parties agree but I'm sure there is something there.

Either way there's not too much point in Usmanov pushing his shareholding up incrementally any more. He's got the blocking vote in any special resolutions which is key and there's nothing really to be gained by buying up the other shares whilst Kroenke owns 60-something per cent given that he's not in it as an investment per se.

Yes, and Usmanov would have got access to the club books with 30% too, but that has now been changed to 50% needed.
Reckon Hill-Wood pulled in a lot of favours for that rule change?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... senal.html#

HERD

Fair point, if Kroenke was to sell, I would guess it would be at a privately agreed price for the lot.
But I think rules state that he has to sell at the highest traded price in the previous six months.
Which makes me think Usmanov has little to gain by buying individual shares at a high price right now, unless he is prepared to pay a huge amount for the club, if there was to be a sale?

[officepest]

Quartz
Fair does fella ,and i fully support the stated aims you had but it fell apart very fast .
I'm not sure the current share price is reflective of the value in that there are so few shares being traded right now and Usmanov is keeping those few shares short of 30 percent because otherwise he would have to bid to buy the rest at the inflated price.
Stan will not spend for sure so we need to get more money from elsewhere or have groundhog day every summer which is what i fear for the next 20 years (provided we don't all croak on 21st Dec).

I'm not personally familiar with the Takeover Code but isn't there some kind of exception to the 30% trigger if there is a majority shareholder? I'm not sure if it's automatic or only if the two parties agree but I'm sure there is something there.

Either way there's not too much point in Usmanov pushing his shareholding up incrementally any more. He's got the blocking vote in any special resolutions which is key and there's nothing really to be gained by buying up the other shares whilst Kroenke owns 60-something per cent given that he's not in it as an investment per se.

Yes, and Usmanov would have got access to the club books with 30% too, but that has now been changed to 50% needed.
Reckon Hill-Wood pulled in a lot of favours for that rule change?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... senal.html#

HERD

Fair point, if Kroenke was to sell, I would guess it would be at a privately agreed price for the lot.
But I think rules state that he has to sell at the highest traded price in the previous six months.
Which makes me think Usmanov has little to gain by buying individual shares at a high price right now, unless he is prepared to pay a huge amount for the club, if there was to be a sale?

I think it's the last year, or it was when Mr Syrup bought us. Unsure if calendar/financial though and may well have changed.

Moot point anyway as he's going nowhere.

[TeeCee]

Well I took action 2 years ago and gave up my season ticket after having it for 30 years. Best decision I've ever made. I am so so happy I am not lining any of their pockets and in particular, I don't have to watch the senile old duffer in charge of our club (Wenger) f***ing up match after match.
I am seriously thinking about selling my bond in the next couple of months, (in fact I'm 99% sure I am going to sell it), even though I know it's worth bugger all (thanks Arsene). I don't think I'll be going back any time soon.

[Herd]

Well I took action 2 years ago and gave up my season ticket after having it for 30 years.

Arsenals loss is Basildons gain I suppose..................or is it ?

You could always pop down and watch Grays which is owned by the famous ICF fella !

[1989]

Well I took action 2 years ago and gave up my season ticket after having it for 30 years. Best decision I've ever made. I am so so happy I am not lining any of their pockets and in particular, I don't have to watch the senile old duffer in charge of our club (Wenger) f***ing up match after match.
I am seriously thinking about selling my bond in the next couple of months, (in fact I'm 99% sure I am going to sell it), even though I know it's worth bugger all (thanks Arsene). I don't think I'll be going back any time soon.

Some time last year I also pledged never to go to the bowl as long as the GIC is manager and Gazidis, Kroenke, *word censored*-Wood are running the club.