THE WENGER THREAD

[Riotof91]

Playing Ramsay on the right was a horrible selection choice by Wenger. Typical stubborn tinkerman bullshit from him.

[p206ab]

Klopp reportedly in talks with Galatasaray. I guess he likes stadiums with atmosphere
Or is this really just to wait until Wenker goes? In that case, he may better get used to live in Turkey...

[augie]

Klopp reportedly in talks with Galatasaray. I guess he likes stadiums with atmosphere
Or is this really just to wait until Wenker goes? In that case, he may better get used to live in Turkey...

I found it mildly baffling as to why pep would go to the german league which is (at best) a two horse race every season (and in some seasons Bayern have no challenger at all ), but if klopp went to turkey then I would be stunned beyond belief I don't give a fcuk how good the kebabs are over there, managing a team like the geordies or shammers in the premier league, must surely be a better option than managing in turkey ??

[StuartL]

Playing Ramsay on the right was a horrible selection choice by Wenger. Typical stubborn tinkerman bullshit from him.

Yet, one of the papers, may have been the guardian, actually praised the tactical substitutions that got us back in the game.......not a mention on how stupid it is to consistently play Ramsey in a position that he is unsuited to and has had little impact in any of the number of matches that he has already played in that position

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

We are in a situation where we have three players - Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey fighting it out for two spots alongside cockles. Throw in Jack as well, one has to be shunted out wide.

If all three have to play, which i think they do, I actually think its the right call for Ramsey to be out there, out of those players mentioned, but its obviously the OXs position when (if) he is fully fit. That said, it has looked a little misbalanced against the better sides - but I do think there will be some ins / outs in midfield this summer so its just doing a job at present for the final couple of games.

I don't disagree with the starting 11 at present (although it should be rotated a little now ahead of the final), like many its the in-game decisions that sometimes frustrate. (or lack of them).

[SteveO 35]

We are in a situation where we have three players - Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey fighting it out for two spots alongside cockles. Throw in Jack as well, one has to be shunted out wide.

If all three have to play, which i think they do, I actually think its the right call for Ramsey to be out there, out of those players mentioned, but its obviously the OXs position when (if) he is fully fit. That said, it has looked a little misbalanced against the better sides - but I do think there will be some ins / outs in midfield this summer so its just doing a job at present for the final couple of games.

I don't disagree with the starting 11 at present (although it should be rotated a little now ahead of the final), like many its the in-game decisions that sometimes frustrate. (or lack of them).

I don't see why (when everyone is fit) why all 3 have to play as one will be a square peg in a round hole. Surely we want competition for places and it should be awarded on form and fitness. The elite clubs wouldn't think twice about it and neither should we

[g88ner]

We are in a situation where we have three players - Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey fighting it out for two spots alongside cockles. Throw in Jack as well, one has to be shunted out wide.

If all three have to play, which i think they do, I actually think its the right call for Ramsey to be out there, out of those players mentioned, but its obviously the OXs position when (if) he is fully fit. That said, it has looked a little misbalanced against the better sides - but I do think there will be some ins / outs in midfield this summer so its just doing a job at present for the final couple of games.

I don't disagree with the starting 11 at present (although it should be rotated a little now ahead of the final), like many its the in-game decisions that sometimes frustrate. (or lack of them).

I don't see why (when everyone is fit) why all 3 have to play as one will be a square peg in a round hole. Surely we want competition for places and it should be awarded on form and fitness. The elite clubs wouldn't think twice about it and neither should we

I could be wrong, but you and BDB are basically saying the same thing, yet your reply reads like you're disagreeing with him?

I'm very confused

[spike241]

No, I think BDB is saying all 3 should play which means Ramsey has to play on the wing.
SteveO is saying we should play 2 of them and the 3rd will have to fight for their place.

[foxinthebox2001]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-coquelin
“The appreciation today of the quality of a player is just down to the money you spend. If we had bought Coquelin at Christmas for £40m, everyone would say, ‘What a signing.’ I am sorry he didn’t cost any money. He is still a good player.”
Such a good player he was shipped out on loan to Charlton, and was only invited back because of an autumn midfielder injury crisis.
If Arteta had stayed fit he would have been at Charlton all season.... fact.

[OneBardGooner]

We are in a situation where we have three players - Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey fighting it out for two spots alongside cockles. Throw in Jack as well, one has to be shunted out wide.

If all three have to play, which i think they do, I actually think its the right call for Ramsey to be out there, out of those players mentioned, but its obviously the OXs position when (if) he is fully fit. That said, it has looked a little misbalanced against the better sides - but I do think there will be some ins / outs in midfield this summer so its just doing a job at present for the final couple of games.

I don't disagree with the starting 11 at present (although it should be rotated a little now ahead of the final), like many its the in-game decisions that sometimes frustrate. (or lack of them).

I don't see why (when everyone is fit) why all 3 have to play as one will be a square peg in a round hole. Surely we want competition for places and it should be awarded on form and fitness. The elite clubs wouldn't think twice about it and neither should we

I could be wrong, but you and BDB are basically saying the same thing, yet your reply reads like you're disagreeing with him?

I'm very confused

See that's what happens when you have a clueless numpty in charge of the team...that disillusion and 'away with the fairies' mentality filters down through to us Gooners at ground level.

[OneBardGooner]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-coquelin
“The appreciation today of the quality of a player is just down to the money you spend. If we had bought Coquelin at Christmas for £40m, everyone would say, ‘What a signing.’ I am sorry he didn’t cost any money. He is still a good player.”
Such a good player he was shipped out on loan to Charlton, and was only invited back because of an autumn midfielder injury crisis.
If Arteta had stayed fit he would have been at Charlton all season.... fact.

True and would now be on the 'For Sale' list on wenkers desk....

Clueless really knows how to work the media and cherry pick events and incidents to show himself in a good light doesn't he....*word censored*.

[augie]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-coquelin
“The appreciation today of the quality of a player is just down to the money you spend. If we had bought Coquelin at Christmas for £40m, everyone would say, ‘What a signing.’ I am sorry he didn’t cost any money. He is still a good player.”
Such a good player he was shipped out on loan to Charlton, and was only invited back because of an autumn midfielder injury crisis.
If Arteta had stayed fit he would have been at Charlton all season.... fact.

Yet again with the "i'm a genius at picking talent for peanuts" bullshit As the fox states, coquelin was discarded by wenker and there can be no doubt that he would have been sold before next september if we had not a midfield crisis Now that coquelin has emerged as a key player in this team (simply cos a lack of top quality DMs), wenker will use the old "I dont want to kill his development" as a reason not to buy a quality DM in the summer - just like his substitutions, wenker's transfer policy is nothing if not predictable

[Theoperator]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-coquelin
“The appreciation today of the quality of a player is just down to the money you spend. If we had bought Coquelin at Christmas for £40m, everyone would say, ‘What a signing.’ I am sorry he didn’t cost any money. He is still a good player.”

TBF he has a point generally, its rather witty taken on its own, but the long history we know about rather takes the edge off it.

[kiwomya]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-coquelin
“The appreciation today of the quality of a player is just down to the money you spend. If we had bought Coquelin at Christmas for £40m, everyone would say, ‘What a signing.’ I am sorry he didn’t cost any money. He is still a good player.”
Such a good player he was shipped out on loan to Charlton, and was only invited back because of an autumn midfielder injury crisis.
If Arteta had stayed fit he would have been at Charlton all season.... fact.

Yet again with the "i'm a genius at picking talent for peanuts" bullshit As the fox states, coquelin was discarded by wenker and there can be no doubt that he would have been sold before next september if we had not a midfield crisis Now that coquelin has emerged as a key player in this team (simply cos a lack of top quality DMs), wenker will use the old "I dont want to kill his development" as a reason not to buy a quality DM in the summer - just like his substitutions, wenker's transfer policy is nothing if not predictable

Coquelin was a squad player though and stepped in when we had an emergency. Not every player that Arsenal sign will be a guaranteed first teamer. Coquelin has been at Arsenal for 8 years and I'm pretty sure he didn't sign an 8 year deal on day one so obviously the club thought he was worth hanging on to - or he would have just been released.

[I Hate Hleb]

And there in has been the problem for the past 8 years - giving long term contracts to players that had yet to achieve anything in the hope that they MIGHT be good enough eventually - rather than investing in proven quality!!

Let's not forget that despite the continued faith Wenger supposedly showed in the Coq, he hardly played him and when he did, it was usually out of position. Indeed, the manager himself has admitted that he was going to sell/release him in January / the summer were it not for the Arteta, Flamini, Wilshere injuries . More good fortune than good judgement.