As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:Spuddy, how much difference will our summer transfer activity make as regards challenging for the league next season ? You are right that we dont know what the club intends to do but tbh I'm not sure how much difference it will make anyway - it is my opinion that wenker could have the most talented team in this league and still not win the title because he cannot motivate his players and he STILL hasnt got the tactical acumen to break down a team set up like swansea and sunderland Nobody can argue that our team and squad is far superior to both swansea and the mackems and yet we seen how those games panned out - even the most retarded manager would look at the previous 2 games (against swansea and manure) and made some (tactical) personel changes cos both performances were total cack and this again puts the responsibility at the managers door.
I've no idea how much difference our summer transfer activity will make but unlike others here
I'm hoping it will make a positive difference. When he did have the most talented team in the league I seem to remember that we actually did win the league and the players appeared to be very motivated. At the time though, as great as we were we still couldn't break down a very average Bolton led by a shite manager that tactically got the better of us on a regular basis. Nobody could say that our team and squad wasn't far superior to them but look how those games panned out.
Sometimes when we play poorly it is the managers fault. Other times it is the players.
Everyone on here says that we are always a player short or don't strengthen where we need to. This summer may well be the same but it might not be. What I don't get is why people moan like a bunch of kids when we don't strengthen where they think we should but then make statements like "it doesn't matter if we do because the manager is tactically naïve". Well I'm sorry but if it doesn't matter then why do you moan when he doesn't buy the right player?
I agree 100% that the players are far from blameless here and it really pisses me off that they don't seem to be arsed a lot of the time - a few years back it didn't matter so much if le cock didn't motivate the players enough cos most of them were winners and had immense pride in themselves so they would motivate the other players, but a lot of these players don't seem to give a flying fcuk and assume that style and looking good is more important but I guess that has been brainwashed into them
Back in the day when fat Sam negated us with regularity, I would suggest that he was the exception to the rule and most of that was because tactics were not as prominent as they are now - I believe that the influx of foreign managers has brought a more intense preparation to the league and tactics and analyzing opponents strengths and weaknesses's is common place now and hence why wenker is getting shown up more often
I would doubt if there is a Gooner anywhere that doesn't get excited by signings like ozil and Sanchez and we all hope that any in comings and outgoings will make a positive difference to our hopes - it does matter a lot when the manager and club fail in their transfer dealings but where I (and I guess others) stand is that I honestly believe that signing quality players alone won't make us league champions again and that is the one trophy I want. Maybe if he signed quality players who are experienced leaders and who have physical presence about them, then we might overcome wenker's shortcomings in games like last night - no way that tippy tappy shit would have been allowed continue last night if we had TA6 or PV4 in the team cos their passion and energy would have injected drive to our gameplan, but le cock continues to surround himself with sheep who hang on his every word and will always play wenker's way regardless of whether it is working or not
Spuddy you do know that most of us on here do want the club to succeed even if we moan (a bit ) ? You seem to be suggesting a lot lately that supporters who moan actually want us to fail so that we can continue moaning
Augie mate, I'm not saying for a single moment that you and others here moan because you want us to fail, I know you don't (although your comment on page 4 of the 'battle for 4th' thread might suggest otherwise). What I'm saying is that people moan if the coin toss lands on a head and they moan if lands on a tail. Essentially they like moaning. It gets very tedious on this forum at times. At times reading this forum is like listening to Nigel Farage whittle on and blame foreigners for everything he can. On here you just have to change the name to Wenger. I imagine if we look back he's at some point been blamed for the economy, the banking crisis and the rise is ISIS! We all know he has his failings and his arrogance doesn't allow him to change his stance but I also know that if he did he'd be slated for having no principles and changing with the weather. It just makes for very boring reading most of the time. There isn't a single argument against him that cannot be deconstructed and rubbished. Similarly there isn't a single argument for him that cannot suffer the same treatment. Every thread on this forum is polluted with this AKB/WOB bullshit argument (I still don't understand why we have to give people pathetic labels like that).
I said several pages back that I know what Arsenal's role is in my life and I stand by that but I've always liked coming here because of the craic and on the whole the people are a decent bunch, but recently this place has gone to shit and it is 100% down to the inane shite constantly being spouted about Wenger. It's boring!
And I know some smart arse is going to tell me to not bother coming here then but that isn't the answer so fucking grow up!
I think the connection between the club and a section of fans has been eroded so much that venting your anger on a forum such as this can appear to be the only way to deal with the situation.
Although some people do like to pick the smallest and strangest things to moan about.
You've got to hand it to wenger, he's an absolute genius at selling the future. How many times have I heard that "this summer he will address the deficiencies in the squad" and "next year we will challenge for the title". Every year it's the same and every year the sheep lap it up. The guy's a genius.
I agree that the sniping on both sides is pretty boring, but a large part of why it is boring is because the team/club is quite boring to follow. We are rehashing the same arguments over and over again because the issues which are holding us back today are the same issues that were holding us back in 2008.
Rodders point is spot on, in some ways Wenger is a genius because every year he talks up our chances of winning the league, fails to deliver and then gives the same reasons for the failure and describes it as success and the majority of people agree with his assessment.
Wenger is only part of the problem, the board simply aren’t ambitious enough to put his job under threat if we don’t move up to the next level and genuinely challenge/win one of the big two trophies.
Skooner wrote:I agree that the sniping on both sides is pretty boring, but a large part of why it is boring is because the team/club is quite boring to follow. We are rehashing the same arguments over and over again because the issues which are holding us back today are the same issues that were holding us back in 2008.
Rodders point is spot on, in some ways Wenger is a genius because every year he talks up our chances of winning the league, fails to deliver and then gives the same reasons for the failure and describes it as success and the majority of people agree with his assessment.
Wenger is only part of the problem, the board simply aren’t ambitious enough to put his job under threat if we don’t move up to the next level and genuinely challenge/win one of the big two trophies.
I couldn't agree more. The problems do not all sit at his door by any means. Some of them do, there's no doubt about that but I generally think it is easier for some of our armchair simpletons to blame one person for everything and that is what gets tedious more than anything.
There are times I could happily beat him into a coma myself but I don't need to whine on about it every day and in every post.
Spud, the reality is that the arguments on here are repetitive because the issues relating to Wenger's management have never changed. Reading your posts you sound like you want fans to accept Wenger's incompetence and get on with it, which I completely disagree with. Lets make something clear, Wenger isn't just a manager with faults that wont change, he is a liar, and has been for a long time. As someone who has won 3 titles in the past, he knows when the season starts that we wont have a hope over 38 games of winning the title, because his only aim is to finish in the top 4, so he doesn't bother addressing the issues that the squad has, such as the clear need for a CB last summer. Wenger is involved in a game with fans, in which he pretends we are going to challenge for the title, when he knows we wont. Id also add his behaviour over the last few years has been disgraceful, he lashes out at anyone who questions him, and this from a guy doing a sub-standard job. Lets not forgot his comment towards fans being asked to pay extortionate ticket prices ''go to the game, and then judge was it worth the price you paid''. Spud, you might be content with the way things are at the club, but don't be getting annoyed because others aren't.
Firstly, you've totally misread my post. I'm not content with things at the club and I'm not annoyed with others that are not content.
I'm just bored of reading the same repetitive shite over and over and over again. I wouldn't mind if it only appeared on this thread but it doesn't. It's on every thread on this forum! That's what is pissing me off. Then when you add to that that most of what is written wouldn't even make the grade for the daily star you might see what I'm actually saying. Sweeping generalisations, mystic meg predictions about what the future holds and general unsupported bullshit is rife on this thread, and that's from both sides of the argument (although why there has to be sides and an argument are beyond me).
I have no issue with people having strong views in either camp. I just wish everyone, positive or negative, would leave those views on the appropriate thread and not contaminate the whole fucking forum with them.
Again have to laugh at those Wenger supporters who, after all these years of under-acheivement with him in charge still try to look elsewhere to apportion at least some of the blame. Still try to excuse, ignore and explain away his abject failure.
Wenger buys, sells the players, agrees thier wage structure, decides who plays and in what position, decides the *ahem* tactics, subs. Picks the medical team, coaching staff. He even attends the board meetings ffs.
Wenger is the constant here, the common denominator.
Not Kronke, Gazidis, the board, refs, Man City, Chelsea, FFP, players or injuries. Wenger alone is the one who has settled for the glory of the "top four trophy" and the riches it brings. And then he basks in the glow of the "genius" tag for qualifying every year and picks up 7 or 8 million for it. Luvley jubbly. Dont rock the boat.
But you Wenger supporters keep franticly looking around for excuses for Mr. 8-mill-a-year if it keeps you happy and then turn on anyone who dares to question him.
rodders999 wrote:You've got to hand it to wenger, he's an absolute genius at selling the future. How many times have I heard that "this summer he will address the deficiencies in the squad" and "next year we will challenge for the title". Every year it's the same and every year the sheep lap it up. The guy's a genius but still a cunnt.
slight amendment there Rodders.
Wenger is the only manager besides rednose (and perhaps now maureen) who is unassailable in his high throne...but at least rednose won anything that was on offer and maureen seems to be moving towards that mind frame.....I just wish he had left 6 seasons ago...when I still had respect and love for the man...he has eroded any affection and gratitude I had.....He has made the art of failure into something all his own.
armchair wrote:Again have to laugh at those Wenger supporters who, after all these years of under-acheivement with him in charge still try to look elsewhere to apportion at least some of the blame. Still try to excuse, ignore and explain away his abject failure.
Wenger buys, sells the players, agrees thier wage structure, decides who plays and in what position, decides the *ahem* tactics, subs. Picks the medical team, coaching staff. He even attends the board meetings ffs.
Wenger is the constant here, the common denominator.
Not Kronke, Gazidis, the board, refs, Man City, Chelsea, FFP, players or injuries. Wenger alone is the one who has settled for the glory of the "top four trophy" and the riches it brings. And then he basks in the glow of the "genius" tag for qualifying every year and picks up 7 or 8 million for it. Luvley jubbly. Dont rock the boat.
But you Wenger supporters keep franticly looking around for excuses for Mr. 8-mill-a-year if it keeps you happy and then turn on anyone who dares to question him.
you really are tedious
I don't give a toss if people love him or hate him. I don't give a toss if he gets £10 or £10m a year.
I don't care about excuses and I really don't care who questions him.
I'm just getting bored with the repeat and start again bullshit that people on here, you included, can sometimes write. For example, look at what you wrote above. Do you actually know all those things? No, you don't, but somehow you can take totally unsupported bullshit and pass it off as fact then slag anyone off that sees it differently. To think you have the nerve to consider people with a different viewpoint to yours as being brainwashed into believing in the great messiah when you're clearly brainwashed by tabloid journalism and gossip columns! You're a joke and you can't even see it!
rodders999 wrote:You've got to hand it to wenger, he's an absolute genius at selling the future. How many times have I heard that "this summer he will address the deficiencies in the squad" and "next year we will challenge for the title". Every year it's the same and every year the sheep lap it up. The guy's a genius but still a cunnt.
slight amendment there Rodders.
Wenger is the only manager besides rednose (and perhaps now maureen) who is unassailable in his high throne...but at least rednose won anything that was on offer and maureen seems to be moving towards that mind frame.....I just wish he had left 6 seasons ago...when I still had respect and love for the man...he has eroded any affection and gratitude I had.....He has made the art of failure into something all his own.
I think that's a widely held viewpoint and in hindsight would have probably been for the best. The problem was that he was in the middle of this so called 'project youth' at the time which ruined any chance of him leaving.
SPUDMASHER wrote:Firstly, you've totally misread my post. I'm not content with things at the club and I'm not annoyed with others that are not content.
I'm just bored of reading the same repetitive shite over and over and over again. I wouldn't mind if it only appeared on this thread but it doesn't. It's on every thread on this forum! That's what is pissing me off. Then when you add to that that most of what is written wouldn't even make the grade for the daily star you might see what I'm actually saying. Sweeping generalisations, mystic meg predictions about what the future holds and general unsupported bullshit is rife on this thread, and that's from both sides of the argument (although why there has to be sides and an argument are beyond me). I have no issue with people having strong views in either camp. I just wish everyone, positive or negative, would leave those views on the appropriate thread and not contaminate the whole fucking forum with them.
Is that really too much to ask?
I can only speak for myself, but I base my opinions of Wenger on his performance as manager in the past 10 years, which has been poor, and there is zero to suggest that he is improving or learning, either in the league or Europe. Your mystic meg comment should be labelled at AKB'S who view Wenger on sentiment, and expect things to change, based on zero evidence.
armchair wrote:Again have to laugh at those Wenger supporters who, after all these years of under-acheivement with him in charge still try to look elsewhere to apportion at least some of the blame. Still try to excuse, ignore and explain away his abject failure.
Wenger buys, sells the players, agrees thier wage structure, decides who plays and in what position, decides the *ahem* tactics, subs. Picks the medical team, coaching staff. He even attends the board meetings ffs.
Wenger is the constant here, the common denominator.
Not Kronke, Gazidis, the board, refs, Man City, Chelsea, FFP, players or injuries. Wenger alone is the one who has settled for the glory of the "top four trophy" and the riches it brings. And then he basks in the glow of the "genius" tag for qualifying every year and picks up 7 or 8 million for it. Luvley jubbly. Dont rock the boat.
But you Wenger supporters keep franticly looking around for excuses for Mr. 8-mill-a-year if it keeps you happy and then turn on anyone who dares to question him.
you really are tedious
I don't give a toss if people love him or hate him. I don't give a toss if he gets £10 or £10m a year.
I don't care about excuses and I really don't care who questions him.
I'm just getting bored with the repeat and start again bullshit that people on here, you included, can sometimes write. For example, look at what you wrote above. Do you actually know all those things? No, you don't, but somehow you can take totally unsupported bullshit and pass it off as fact then slag anyone off that sees it differently. To think you have the nerve to consider people with a different viewpoint to yours as being brainwashed into believing in the great messiah when you're clearly brainwashed by tabloid journalism and gossip columns! You're a joke and you can't even see it!
When you have zero argument to post, throw a hissy fit and attack the poster.
Nobody can argue that our team and squad is far superior to both swansea and the mackems and yet we seen how those games panned out - even the most retarded manager would look at the previous 2 games (against swansea and manure) and made some (tactical) personel changes cos both performances were total cack and this again puts the responsibility at the managers door.
) ? You seem to be suggesting a lot lately that supporters who moan actually want us to fail so that we can continue moaning 
