Other Matches Thread

[Limerick Gooner]

Shambles and Forest still playing after 105 minutes with a ref that has lost complete control of a football match. It really is the worst run league in any sport anywhere in the world.

Automated VAR decision taking 6 minutes and they went back to drawing lines

Fucking shambles. Harry Potter will be the first manager sacked next season.

It really is beyond a joke just how badly run the league is and how we are all just expected to accept it. Shambles, Everton, Manure and Scum would all be playing second tier football if this really was "the greatest league in the world."

West Ham beat us at home. Everton drew with us home and away. United peppered us away and we were lucky to get out with a draw. What’s your point?

West Ham and Everton would have been relegated a few years ago if there was greater strength in depth to the league. This year, scum and manure have lost 21 and 18 matches respectively, neither have 40 points, which was a traditional bench-mark for safety over the years. A league where those types of teams can turn in those kind of performances and be clear of any threat of relegation doesn't really give the impression of a consistently competitive league. Every league sees every team raise their game once in a while but to be able to not give a shit for probably at least three-quarters of the season and have nothing to worry about demonstrates a lack of quality with some teams woefully out of their depths for 38 games. And then we're fed the propaganda nonsense about it being the "greatest league in the world." People laugh at the quality of other leagues but the reality is that the Premier League is a league with a poor overall quality, in my opinion. That's all my point is.

Fair enough. And I suppose being able to not try in the League has allowed United and Spurs to get to the Europa League Final. There was no jeopardy at all. Agreed.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Automated VAR decision taking 6 minutes and they went back to drawing lines

Fucking shambles. Harry Potter will be the first manager sacked next season.

It really is beyond a joke just how badly run the league is and how we are all just expected to accept it. Shambles, Everton, Manure and Scum would all be playing second tier football if this really was "the greatest league in the world."

West Ham beat us at home. Everton drew with us home and away. United peppered us away and we were lucky to get out with a draw. What’s your point?

West Ham and Everton would have been relegated a few years ago if there was greater strength in depth to the league. This year, scum and manure have lost 21 and 18 matches respectively, neither have 40 points, which was a traditional bench-mark for safety over the years. A league where those types of teams can turn in those kind of performances and be clear of any threat of relegation doesn't really give the impression of a consistently competitive league. Every league sees every team raise their game once in a while but to be able to not give a shit for probably at least three-quarters of the season and have nothing to worry about demonstrates a lack of quality with some teams woefully out of their depths for 38 games. And then we're fed the propaganda nonsense about it being the "greatest league in the world." People laugh at the quality of other leagues but the reality is that the Premier League is a league with a poor overall quality, in my opinion. That's all my point is.

Fair enough. And I suppose being able to not try in the League has allowed United and Spurs to get to the Europa League Final. There was no jeopardy at all. Agreed.

I think this might cause a few issues in the coming weeks because if you finish 5th in Italy or Germany or third in the Netherlands, you don't get in the Champions League but England will have six teams in it next season with 5th and 17th or 18th getting a place. I think it's going to be very hard for UEFA to justify this to other countries.

[DB10GOONER]

It really is beyond a joke just how badly run the league is and how we are all just expected to accept it. Shambles, Everton, Manure and Scum would all be playing second tier football if this really was "the greatest league in the world."

West Ham beat us at home. Everton drew with us home and away. United peppered us away and we were lucky to get out with a draw. What’s your point?

West Ham and Everton would have been relegated a few years ago if there was greater strength in depth to the league. This year, scum and manure have lost 21 and 18 matches respectively, neither have 40 points, which was a traditional bench-mark for safety over the years. A league where those types of teams can turn in those kind of performances and be clear of any threat of relegation doesn't really give the impression of a consistently competitive league. Every league sees every team raise their game once in a while but to be able to not give a shit for probably at least three-quarters of the season and have nothing to worry about demonstrates a lack of quality with some teams woefully out of their depths for 38 games. And then we're fed the propaganda nonsense about it being the "greatest league in the world." People laugh at the quality of other leagues but the reality is that the Premier League is a league with a poor overall quality, in my opinion. That's all my point is.

Fair enough. And I suppose being able to not try in the League has allowed United and Spurs to get to the Europa League Final. There was no jeopardy at all. Agreed.

I think this might cause a few issues in the coming weeks because if you finish 5th in Italy or Germany or third in the Netherlands, you don't get in the Champions League but England will have six teams in it next season with 5th and 17th or 18th getting a place. I think it's going to be very hard for UEFA to justify this to other countries.

Bang on the money as usual, Perry. How can anyone justify a team finishing 17th or 18th getting in the "champions" league just because they won the European version of the zenith data cup ffs?

[Bradywasking]

It's a disgrace that either of those clubs will be in The Champions League next season.
UEFA should discard the three titles for the three European trophies and rebrand them , Europa League One ( current Champions League) . Europa League Two ( current Europa League) Europa League Three ( current Europa Conference League).
Qualification for any of the leagues is dependent on being winners of that competition the previous season or via domestic league position. So in other words the winners of Wednesday's Europa League final would only qualify for the Europa League Two next season as their domestic league position hasn't qualified them for Europa League One.

[OneBardGooner]

Agreed.. It's ALL About The MONEY.

[Retro Gunner]

It's a disgrace that either of those clubs will be in The Champions League next season.
UEFA should discard the three titles for the three European trophies and rebrand them , Europa League One ( current Champions League) . Europa League Two ( current Europa League) Europa League Three ( current Europa Conference League).
Qualification for any of the leagues is dependent on being winners of that competition the previous season or via domestic league position. So in other words the winners of Wednesday's Europa League final would only qualify for the Europa League Two next season as their domestic league position hasn't qualified them for Europa League One.

Unless I’m misunderstanding this BWK, the winners on Weds would qualify for the CL under your system.

[Bradywasking]

It's a disgrace that either of those clubs will be in The Champions League next season.
UEFA should discard the three titles for the three European trophies and rebrand them , Europa League One ( current Champions League) . Europa League Two ( current Europa League) Europa League Three ( current Europa Conference League).
Qualification for any of the leagues is dependent on being winners of that competition the previous season or via domestic league position. So in other words the winners of Wednesday's Europa League final would only qualify for the Europa League Two next season as their domestic league position hasn't qualified them for Europa League One.

Unless I’m misunderstanding this BWK, the winners on Weds would qualify for the CL under your system.

No, qualification for any of the three leagues is dependent on winning that competition the previous season or through your domestic league, neither ManU or Spuds could qualify for next season's Europa Leage One with that criteria, they wouldn't have won the Champions League or finished high enough domestically...The winner would qualify for Europa League Two as they would be the holders of the competition in it's previous format

[augie]

Honestly I dont agree with all this hoopla lately suggesting that a team finishing 16th or 17th shouldnt be in next seasons champs league - the rules were there at the start of the season so bitching about it now is ridiculous imo. If it was a bilboa v roma final for example, then no-one would give a shit and I dont think it would make the champs league any stronger or the europa league any more credible.

As has already been pointed out, uefa and fifa competitions nowadays are all about money with zero fcuks given about credibility, and clubs like AFC have contributed to that - for years we had the senile french cock trying to sell 4th place as a trophy cos of the money in generated, and the modern fanbase has become fixated on qualifying for champs league as though it is a trophy UEFA bent over and gave in to the "big clubs" whose ONLY INTEREST is money, and that is why we are in a situation where we now have 6 premier league clubs in next seasons premier league, so if anything it highlights the greed and corruption and I am delighted with that. If you want credibility then make the champs league a competition for champions only, but our fanbase would be up in arms then cos we wouldnt be in it - its all a self serving mess as far as I am concerned

[Nick Nack]

Honestly I dont agree with all this hoopla lately suggesting that a team finishing 16th or 17th shouldnt be in next seasons champs league - the rules were there at the start of the season so bitching about it now is ridiculous imo. If it was a bilboa v roma final for example, then no-one would give a shit and I dont think it would make the champs league any stronger or the europa league any more credible.

As has already been pointed out, uefa and fifa competitions nowadays are all about money with zero fcuks given about credibility, and clubs like AFC have contributed to that - for years we had the senile french cock trying to sell 4th place as a trophy cos of the money in generated, and the modern fanbase has become fixated on qualifying for champs league as though it is a trophy UEFA bent over and gave in to the "big clubs" whose ONLY INTEREST is money, and that is why we are in a situation where we now have 6 premier league clubs in next seasons premier league, so if anything it highlights the greed and corruption and I am delighted with that. If you want credibility then make the champs league a competition for champions only, but our fanbase would be up in arms then cos we wouldnt be in it - its all a self serving mess as far as I am concerned

I suspect that UEFA see it that by winning the Europa League you are rewarded by getting "promoted" to the Champions league, you know a bit like promotion and relegation in a European Super League

[Perryashburtongroves]

Honestly I dont agree with all this hoopla lately suggesting that a team finishing 16th or 17th shouldnt be in next seasons champs league - the rules were there at the start of the season so bitching about it now is ridiculous imo. If it was a bilboa v roma final for example, then no-one would give a shit and I dont think it would make the champs league any stronger or the europa league any more credible.

As has already been pointed out, uefa and fifa competitions nowadays are all about money with zero fcuks given about credibility, and clubs like AFC have contributed to that - for years we had the senile french cock trying to sell 4th place as a trophy cos of the money in generated, and the modern fanbase has become fixated on qualifying for champs league as though it is a trophy UEFA bent over and gave in to the "big clubs" whose ONLY INTEREST is money, and that is why we are in a situation where we now have 6 premier league clubs in next seasons premier league, so if anything it highlights the greed and corruption and I am delighted with that. If you want credibility then make the champs league a competition for champions only, but our fanbase would be up in arms then cos we wouldnt be in it - its all a self serving mess as far as I am concerned

I suspect that UEFA see it that by winning the Europa League you are rewarded by getting "promoted" to the Champions league, you know a bit like promotion and relegation in a European Super League

Shhhh. You're not allowed to use the words European, Super and League in the same sentence to describe a competition with teams from a geographic region of the world, playing matches home and away which count towards a position in an overall table. It is clearly anything but a European Super League. I don't know how anyone could even think such a thing.

[Retro Gunner]

It's a disgrace that either of those clubs will be in The Champions League next season.
UEFA should discard the three titles for the three European trophies and rebrand them , Europa League One ( current Champions League) . Europa League Two ( current Europa League) Europa League Three ( current Europa Conference League).
Qualification for any of the leagues is dependent on being winners of that competition the previous season or via domestic league position. So in other words the winners of Wednesday's Europa League final would only qualify for the Europa League Two next season as their domestic league position hasn't qualified them for Europa League One.

Unless I’m misunderstanding this BWK, the winners on Weds would qualify for the CL under your system.

No, qualification for any of the three leagues is dependent on winning that competition the previous season or through your domestic league, neither ManU or Spuds could qualify for next season's Europa Leage One with that criteria, they wouldn't have won the Champions League or finished high enough domestically...The winner would qualify for Europa League Two as they would be the holders of the competition in it's previous format

Ok, I see what you mean.

[Retro Gunner]

West Ham beat us at home. Everton drew with us home and away. United peppered us away and we were lucky to get out with a draw. What’s your point?

West Ham and Everton would have been relegated a few years ago if there was greater strength in depth to the league. This year, scum and manure have lost 21 and 18 matches respectively, neither have 40 points, which was a traditional bench-mark for safety over the years. A league where those types of teams can turn in those kind of performances and be clear of any threat of relegation doesn't really give the impression of a consistently competitive league. Every league sees every team raise their game once in a while but to be able to not give a shit for probably at least three-quarters of the season and have nothing to worry about demonstrates a lack of quality with some teams woefully out of their depths for 38 games. And then we're fed the propaganda nonsense about it being the "greatest league in the world." People laugh at the quality of other leagues but the reality is that the Premier League is a league with a poor overall quality, in my opinion. That's all my point is.

Fair enough. And I suppose being able to not try in the League has allowed United and Spurs to get to the Europa League Final. There was no jeopardy at all. Agreed.

I think this might cause a few issues in the coming weeks because if you finish 5th in Italy or Germany or third in the Netherlands, you don't get in the Champions League but England will have six teams in it next season with 5th and 17th or 18th getting a place. I think it's going to be very hard for UEFA to justify this to other countries.

Bang on the money as usual, Perry. How can anyone justify a team finishing 17th or 18th getting in the "champions" league just because they won the European version of the zenith data cup ffs?

While I agree that it’s ridiculous that two teams that finished 16th and 17th in the PL will be competing for a CL place, other countries can hardly complain. They’ve all had sides in the competition, many of whom will finish in the top 6 or 8 of their leagues this season and if none of them were able to beat the scum or United, then they don’t have grounds to complain.

This is a joke competition, especially since the CL teams no longer drop into it and the winners, whoever they are, should not get a CL place. Of course, offering that is the only way that UEFA can get clubs to take it seriously, much like when winning the FA Cup was a means of CL qualification.

[gooner265]

Gonna get shot down for this but have a horrible feeling those c**ts are gonna win tonight . If they did would it make the board think again and get ruthless with the manager. Nothing more embarrassing for us than a trophy at last and a European one at that.

[DB10GOONER]

Gonna get shot down for this but have a horrible feeling those c**ts are gonna win tonight . If they did would it make the board think again and get ruthless with the manager. Nothing more embarrassing for is than a tropy at last and a European one at that.

Our board? Our board couldn't give a shit. There is not one actual real Gooner on our board. All empty business suits. Once we are making money and people turn up on match day they are happy with the manager.

[Retro Gunner]

Gonna get shot down for this but have a horrible feeling those c**ts are gonna win tonight . If they did would it make the board think again and get ruthless with the manager. Nothing more embarrassing for is than a tropy at last and a European one at that.

Our board? Our board couldn't give a shit. There is not one actual real Gooner on our board. All empty business suits. Once we are making money and people turn up on match day they are happy with the manager.

^^^
This. Spot on.

The scum could win the treble and Mkll would be as safe as houses.