THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

Arsene Wenger wasn't born in Islington - so does that mean he's not a real Gooner!?

[highburyJD]

is this a whats a real Gooner thread now?
Wenger's a hugely successful employee (one of our best 3 managers) who's shown amazing loyalty

either there's a sliding scale of Goonerness or there isn't, I'm not the one obsessed with it.

We can all be in the same supporter box with the Korean who supports Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea if you like...

[OneBardGooner]

is this a whats a real Gooner thread now?
Wenger's a hugely successful employee (one of our best 3 managers) who's shown amazing loyalty

either there's a sliding scale of Goonerness or there isn't, I'm not the one obsessed with my Darling Arsene wenger!.

We can all be in the same supporter box with the Korean who supports Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea if you like...

Jeeezusss chill mate - never heard of 'Humour'!????

[highburyJD]

sorry - people suggesting I don't believe what I say irritates me
obv becoming over defensive

[goonersid]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

Evel Knievel fucking ruled. Still does.

I thought Song was average at his very best, absolutely useless and a hinderance at his worst. No loss for me. I too have given up on Ramsey. He has no footballing brain at all. It's all flicks and backheels that never come off and running (slowly) into the wrong areas. It's a real pity but he is not much use at all.

I'm 45, been supporting The Arsenal about 40 years and I've never been THIS frustrated and exasperated by them. I think because it has dragged on year after year with no real effort to address the decline. Even in the late 70's and particularly the early/mid 80's (when we were awful most of the time) the Board at least tried to address our failings by trying out new managers. From 76 to 86 we went through 5 managers to arrive at GG. Not saying I want us to be like the Chavs and change manager twice a season, but 16 years (the last 7 unsuccessful) is too long for one man to be manager. The IS a happy medium in between both extremes.

As I say the old board tried to address the problem at least. Now we just suck it up and watch Arsene plod on year after year treading water in persuit of his mythical 4th place trophy...

I think we miss Song, maybe not top drawer but he was 10 times the player Ramsey will ever be. I know stats can be misleading, but the contrast in results between Songs presence in the starting line up and Ramseys is undeniable. I don't think there has ever been a player at any club who has such an undermining affect on a team's performances as Ramsey.

[flash gunner]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

Evel Knievel fucking ruled. Still does.

I thought Song was average at his very best, absolutely useless and a hinderance at his worst. No loss for me. I too have given up on Ramsey. He has no footballing brain at all. It's all flicks and backheels that never come off and running (slowly) into the wrong areas. It's a real pity but he is not much use at all.

I'm 45, been supporting The Arsenal about 40 years and I've never been THIS frustrated and exasperated by them. I think because it has dragged on year after year with no real effort to address the decline. Even in the late 70's and particularly the early/mid 80's (when we were awful most of the time) the Board at least tried to address our failings by trying out new managers. From 76 to 86 we went through 5 managers to arrive at GG. Not saying I want us to be like the Chavs and change manager twice a season, but 16 years (the last 7 unsuccessful) is too long for one man to be manager. The IS a happy medium in between both extremes.

As I say the old board tried to address the problem at least. Now we just suck it up and watch Arsene plod on year after year treading water in persuit of his mythical 4th place trophy...

I think we miss Song, maybe not top drawer but he was 10 times the player Ramsey will ever be. I know stats can be misleading, but the contrast in results between Songs presence in the starting line up and Ramseys is undeniable. I don't think there has ever been a player at any club who has such an undermining affect on a team's performances as Ramsey.

I dont agree Sid neither of them are good enough for Arsenal Song certainly wasn't. Its like saying youre happy with Herpes because it isn't AIDS

[skizz_b]

either there's a sliding scale of Goonerness or there isn't, I'm not the one obsessed with it.

Like this?

Arsene FC not Arsenal FC

Arsene Knows Best

Arsene Knows Most Of The Time

Arsene Makes Dodgy Decisions But We Love Him For It

Blame Ramsey

FFP Will Save The Day

It's the Stadium's Fault

MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE

It's just a bad patch, there's always next year

We need a change but I'm scared of life without Arsene

4th Place Trophy is acceptable

Where is my money going? Blame the Board

WENGER OUT

WENGER AND GAZIDIS OUT

FUCK THEM ALL

[goonersid]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

Evel Knievel fucking ruled. Still does.

I thought Song was average at his very best, absolutely useless and a hinderance at his worst. No loss for me. I too have given up on Ramsey. He has no footballing brain at all. It's all flicks and backheels that never come off and running (slowly) into the wrong areas. It's a real pity but he is not much use at all.

I'm 45, been supporting The Arsenal about 40 years and I've never been THIS frustrated and exasperated by them. I think because it has dragged on year after year with no real effort to address the decline. Even in the late 70's and particularly the early/mid 80's (when we were awful most of the time) the Board at least tried to address our failings by trying out new managers. From 76 to 86 we went through 5 managers to arrive at GG. Not saying I want us to be like the Chavs and change manager twice a season, but 16 years (the last 7 unsuccessful) is too long for one man to be manager. The IS a happy medium in between both extremes.

As I say the old board tried to address the problem at least. Now we just suck it up and watch Arsene plod on year after year treading water in persuit of his mythical 4th place trophy...

I think we miss Song, maybe not top drawer but he was 10 times the player Ramsey will ever be. I know stats can be misleading, but the contrast in results between Songs presence in the starting line up and Ramseys is undeniable. I don't think there has ever been a player at any club who has such an undermining affect on a team's performances as Ramsey.

I dont agree Sid neither of them are good enough for Arsenal Song certainly wasn't. Its like saying youre happy with Herpes because it isn't AIDS

Still, I bet you'd rather have herpes than aids.

[skizz_b]

Not too sure how many people share my opinion (don't care frankly) and I have never ONCE sat and bleated on about anything but I am going to try and write it down coherently.

To put it concisely, I am neither AKB nor WOB. I think as a person Arsene Wenger is an arrogant, petulant man who wears rose-tinted glasses. He doesn’t believe any opinion other than his own is correct, he only sees the other side of the fence when it is convenient to him, and he refuses to deviate from his “principles” to the detriment of the club.

His character is what has been his downfall in many ways. His stubborn refusal to accept other people may have better ways of doing things has ruined us in many ways. He refuses flat out to buy players who will help the team get better yet sells the better players in the side. He sticks with players like Ramsey, Gervinho, Santos, Flappy ( ), all players who obviously lack the quality to play in the Premier League week in, week out, because he refuses to see the fault in them and himself. What’s worse is that when someone comes in and has ideas about how things can be done better (Bould), he puts them on mute and carries on doing his own thing, yet he will claim that the team are taking a “different” approach.

It is as a tactician that he has been shown up. In previous years he had a very good side which didn’t need tactical tweaking, but when you are competing with teams with more money, better players etc, you need to be able to set your team up tactically to bridge that gap in quality. Wenger will sit there and talk about how his team “will perform” and “show their true quality” at places like Old Trafford but he sends them out with no tactical idea of how to play, what role they should be playing, or any idea of how to get the ball in the net, then acts surprised when they are played off the park. It’s horrifying in many ways, and players like Ramsey take the flak from fans for Wenger’s mistake. It’s not his fault he is playing for Arsenal. Anyone here offered £35k per week to play for Arsenal would do it regardless of ability, so getting pissed off at him is one thing but you have to ask yourself why he is on the pitch in the first place. Then you feel less angry.

So as a manager, I do not think Wenger is up to the job and he should go. But unfortunately this is not the best option for us, and this is why I would say I lean towards WOB but I’m not full on. Why? Because the Board are bigger kunts than Wenger. If he were to leave, does anyone here genuinely believe that despite Arsenal being one of the most appealing jobs in world football, that the club would hire someone like Klopp or Pep who will actually spend money and try to turn this club into a winning side? It wouldn’t surprise me if they got some **** like Alan Pardew – a yes man, who would be under no pressure to win, anything he does is a “miracle” and he won’t spend shitloads of money. The board will not hire a WINNER who wants to take the club FORWARD, because that would cost TOO MUCH MONEY. Money that would be going in their back pocket. This is why true change at the club will not come until those f#cking pricks on the board are dealt with, because when Wenger leaves, their true colours will show.

As a result of this my support of Arsenal has diluted. I’ll go to games but I gave up my season ticket some time ago, for monetary reasons and also because you get a season ticket because you want to see your team WIN. There isn’t a hunger in this team other than for the first 6 weeks of a season, then it’s the same old dross. BORING. I love the club but it is the board who are ruining it, the primary example of this being the fact they have kept Wenger in charge. Wenger is a BY PRODUCT of the board and is a SYMBOL OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CLUB, not the main problem itself.

I think that makes sense anyway. F#ck the board

I think I put this forward earlier in this thread but I believe Wenger has to be the first to go. Wenger is a unique manager as far as I can tell as he is the only manager I have ever seen that seems comfortable with not using all of the resources available to him. Whether the board are asking him not to is not that important, the fact is, there is money in the bank, the club are saying publically there is money to spend and there have also been quotes directly from the board and Wenger in the past where they have stated if we wanted to buy a player for £30m we could.

Now because Wenger is unique like this, I think it creates confusion for those outside of the club. No one is 100% certain who is the main problem when it comes to investment in the playing side. Are the managers hands really tied by the board, or is the manager just pursuing his own agenda of trying to win by a certain method rather than taking a win at all costs attitude. Like everyone else I have an opinion on this but I do not know.

The only way to prove this one way or the other is to remove Wenger from the equation. I can’t think of another manager the club could appoint who would accept taking flak because of the boards failings (which is what some people argue Wenger does). So if we get a new manager, one of two things will happen. They will either increase our spending thus giving us a greater chance of success (no guarantee obviously) or the lack of investment will continue. If the former happens, we can probably deduce that Wenger was causing the issue, if the latter happens then it points the finger squarely at the board. Either way we are closer to understanding why the situation has got to where it has. And I would argue any new manager couldn’t be any worse from a tactical perspective!

All true. Another reason they won't sack Wenger - if they don't get a decent manager in the fans will go mad!

[DB10GOONER]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

Evel Knievel fucking ruled. Still does.

I thought Song was average at his very best, absolutely useless and a hinderance at his worst. No loss for me. I too have given up on Ramsey. He has no footballing brain at all. It's all flicks and backheels that never come off and running (slowly) into the wrong areas. It's a real pity but he is not much use at all.

I'm 45, been supporting The Arsenal about 40 years and I've never been THIS frustrated and exasperated by them. I think because it has dragged on year after year with no real effort to address the decline. Even in the late 70's and particularly the early/mid 80's (when we were awful most of the time) the Board at least tried to address our failings by trying out new managers. From 76 to 86 we went through 5 managers to arrive at GG. Not saying I want us to be like the Chavs and change manager twice a season, but 16 years (the last 7 unsuccessful) is too long for one man to be manager. The IS a happy medium in between both extremes.

As I say the old board tried to address the problem at least. Now we just suck it up and watch Arsene plod on year after year treading water in persuit of his mythical 4th place trophy...

I think we miss Song, maybe not top drawer but he was 10 times the player Ramsey will ever be. I know stats can be misleading, but the contrast in results between Songs presence in the starting line up and Ramseys is undeniable. I don't think there has ever been a player at any club who has such an undermining affect on a team's performances as Ramsey.

I take your point on Ramsey, sid - he is awful and has been for two years. Offers nothing, kills our attacks by getting in the way, passes badly, is slow and delays on the ball, gets caught in posession... but they are all things Song did on a very regular basis. Only difference for me was Song chipped in 3 or 4 great assists a season for RVP. So both not good enough, to my mind.

But I really don't think we miss Song. No matter what some on here say, Arteta is now playing as a DM and his calm, disciplined and effective work is way beyond anything Song ever contributed. I think the problem is that Ramsey is having the same detrimental effect Song had and Arteta, Wilshere, Ox, Cazorla are all being badly effected by him when he's on the pitch. I think if we can get Arteta, Santi and Jack to play a decent run of games together then we would see an effective midfield start to grow. But Arsene keeps fucking diluting it with Arshavin and Ramsey...

Also this nonsense of playing our best striker (Podolski) as a fucking midfielder/winger has got to stop. Put him outright in the centre, playing off Giroud and we will see the goals come. They might need a few games to get solid but I'm sure it would work.

[highburyJD]

Rambo has been mostly poor, but on days where he's OK/others play worse than him
and it's laid at his door he's just a scapegoat
he was excellent off the bench (briefly 10/15 mins I think) v Montpellier
when I pointed this out people got angry - preconceptions too often trump reality in football (and here in particular)

Song was an excellent player with some flaws, we're badly missing him in these rare few games of poor form from Arteta

[DB10GOONER]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

'kin 'ell!!!!!!! Why is it always down to money? and no one wants a revolving door they want people in charge who make an effort to improve things not groundhog day of nothing-ness season after season after season

Don't waste your time, Flash. SuperfanJD only picks out and mis-quotes the bits he can twist to make them look like extreme points. Then whines because no one will "debate sensibly" with him...

Almost WUM-like, huh...?

this statement is clearly 100% designed to irritate me - an interesting dichotomy...
what should my riposte be? piss of and support Chelski?
what are you looking for here?
Presumably the aim is to aggravate me enough that I say something bannable

Dear God, your ego knows no bounds, does it?

I couldn't really give a shit what you do, once you obey the rules whilst on here. Why would I try to provoke a banning incident? We all know sooner or later you will have a good old hissy fit and storm off never to return, only to return a couple weeks later!

BUT - it is a fact that you constantly pick out one part of someone's post and twist the words to make it look like you are trying to innocently respond to an extreme view. A pretty good example in this thread; I state that we at least tried to change things by appointing new managers in the past and clearly stated that it has to be done sensibly, not like the chavs, and you respond with "Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying' sounds a foolish expenditure to me..."

You deliberately picked up on one point, but then twisted the meaning to suit your response, instead of responding to the actual post. You do it constantly on here. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. Yet you constantly whine on about there not being decent or intelligent debate on here.

And yes, it is borderline WUMing, not quite WUMing, but certainly borderline.

[DB10GOONER]

Rambo has been mostly poor, but on days where he's OK/others play worse than him
and it's laid at his door he's just a scapegoathe was excellent off the bench (briefly 10/15 mins I think) v Montpellier
when I pointed this out people got angry - preconceptions too often trump reality in football (and here in particular)
Song was an excellent player with some flaws, we're badly missing him in these rare few games of poor form from Arteta

Oh Noes!! They didn't disagree with you, did they??! Oh my God, what were they thinking!!

Only a truly rosetinted or blinkered person could state Ramsey has been unduly criticised. The lad has been appalling. It's a real shame, but it is a fact.

[highburyJD]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments
what is it you call it again? oh yeah borderline wumming

keep up the good work part-timer

[DB10GOONER]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments
what is it you call it again? oh yeah borderline wumming

keep up the good work part-timer

Ooh - "part timer"!! A jibe from a bloke that claims to be a Superfan on an internet forum!!

You never actually answered my recent questions though;

Are you married? Full time job? Age?

When did you start going to games? Was it 1998? Yeah? It's ok if you did, y'know. Everyone has to start sometime.

For the record Ramsey had a blinder for his 10 minute cameo against Montpellier. Shame every other thing he has done in the last 2 years has been 99% shit.