UFOs - yes or no?

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you never know..thats just what you've been told..... :shock:

i agree its far to fantastical to be anything but bollox.

then again if there is some sort of illuminati/new world order controlling stuff, we 'd never know....

think i better shut the fuck up before i sound anymore like david icke!

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DB10GOONER wrote:
the playing mantis wrote: the lunar theory goes that the germans got there in the early forties, and set up a base, and have apparently remained ever since, the first few usa and soviet space missions picked up warning signals from these nazis to turn back, and indeed some of the early missions were destroyed in space by some sort of moon ray from the 'moon nazis'!

The usa faked their landings and the russians faked their orbits, subsquently, through fear of attack on their space modules from the nazi moon base!

fanciful and nigh on unbeliveable stuff considering popular belief and history as we know it, unlikley, but not totally unplausible!
No - totally implausible, I'm afraid. Both NASA and Kodak have explained away every single shit "theory" that the retard Moon conspiracy idiots have offered up.

Nazi rocket technology, whilst being well ahead of the Americans in 1945, was still in it's infancy. The failure rate of their V1 and V2 rockets (only trying to cross the Channel) was huge. It was very much a hit or miss technology. Accepted if they had had another 5 years and more natural resources who knows what they might have developed, but in 1945 it was basic stuff in comparison to what was needed to just escape our atmosphere, never mind go t the Moon.

It took the Nazi scientists' knowledge and the NASA scientists they joined's knowledge and another 25 years of constant, massively-funded work to put a man on the moon.
In one of the moon landings they left a refraction mirror type thing on the the surface - scientist on Earth can use lasers and light reception arrays to bounce photons off it. Even if a moon landing was faked they did get there at some point.

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RNTGOONER wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
the playing mantis wrote: the lunar theory goes that the germans got there in the early forties, and set up a base, and have apparently remained ever since, the first few usa and soviet space missions picked up warning signals from these nazis to turn back, and indeed some of the early missions were destroyed in space by some sort of moon ray from the 'moon nazis'!

The usa faked their landings and the russians faked their orbits, subsquently, through fear of attack on their space modules from the nazi moon base!

fanciful and nigh on unbeliveable stuff considering popular belief and history as we know it, unlikley, but not totally unplausible!
No - totally implausible, I'm afraid. Both NASA and Kodak have explained away every single shit "theory" that the retard Moon conspiracy idiots have offered up.

Nazi rocket technology, whilst being well ahead of the Americans in 1945, was still in it's infancy. The failure rate of their V1 and V2 rockets (only trying to cross the Channel) was huge. It was very much a hit or miss technology. Accepted if they had had another 5 years and more natural resources who knows what they might have developed, but in 1945 it was basic stuff in comparison to what was needed to just escape our atmosphere, never mind go t the Moon.

It took the Nazi scientists' knowledge and the NASA scientists they joined's knowledge and another 25 years of constant, massively-funded work to put a man on the moon.
In one of the moon landings they left a refraction mirror type thing on the the surface - scientist on Earth can use lasers and light reception arrays to bounce photons off it. Even if a moon landing was faked they did get there at some point.
No way were any of the Moon landings faked.

Those irreverent people on the Mythbusters programme have well and truly debunked this nonsense. Moving flag, footprints, shadows, lack of stars, studio filming, the whole lot. Link here......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z2l123FM3Q

it's informative and good fun too.

Also there is now improved film footage of the lunar surface available. On it you can see the leftovers of the landings (Moonbuggy etc).

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Olgit...... I was listening to an astronomer the other day (i need to get out more i know :oops: :wink: ) he said if aliens had visited the earth they must be so far advanced compared to us, as your lemmings comparison suggests, would they really be abducting humans and doing tests on us then wiping memories or even worse forgetting to wipe some farmers memories from the mid-west of the USA therefore allowing them to write books etc..... Same thing could be said about sightings, why would they be vague? surely if they we so much more advanced than us (and they would need to be as we cant travel those distances) they would be either invisible or clearly visible not somewhere in between allowing us vague glimpses :?

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Disagree with your astronomer friend Flash.

Look at people like David Attenborough and John Craven.

They walk into animal environments, do a few tests, take a few photos, film a TV segment, then go home.

Other people nab animals and keep them in zoos, some labs take animals, breed them, test cosmetics on them, then kill them.

Why not the aliens too?

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QuartzGooner wrote:Disagree with your astronomer friend Flash.

Look at people like David Attenborough and John Craven.

They walk into animal environments, do a few tests, take a few photos, film a TV segment, then go home.

Other people nab animals and keep them in zoos, some labs take animals, breed them, test cosmetics on them, then kill them.

Why not the aliens too?
Its not a friend Quartz it was on the TV.... I agree with what you say but as you and olgit have said compared to whats out there we maybe arent that advanced. Why would they wipe the memory of most people they have tested on? yet forget on others allowing them to recall and sell stories via books etc. If they were that advanced there would be no mistakes..... Same as visiting earth if they didnt want to be seen they wouldnt be and if they did they would be, not just vague glimpses that could be thought of as possibly something else?

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flash gunner wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:Disagree with your astronomer friend Flash.

Look at people like David Attenborough and John Craven.

They walk into animal environments, do a few tests, take a few photos, film a TV segment, then go home.

Other people nab animals and keep them in zoos, some labs take animals, breed them, test cosmetics on them, then kill them.

Why not the aliens too?
Its not a friend Quartz it was on the TV.... I agree with what you say but as you and olgit have said compared to whats out there we maybe arent that advanced. Why would they wipe the memory of most people they have tested on? yet forget on others allowing them to recall and sell stories via books etc. If they were that advanced there would be no mistakes..... Same as visiting earth if they didnt want to be seen they wouldnt be and if they did they would be, not just vague glimpses that could be thought of as possibly something else?

I agree with the the whole memory wipe thing, if they are so much more advanced why bother, would we (if we had the tech) wipe the memory of a shark if we did tests on it while it was drugged / out of the water.

With the "would we ever see them bit" - technology can go wrong no matter how advanced (maybe some ships were built when an alien on that shift was on a bad hangover!)

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RNTGOONER wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:Disagree with your astronomer friend Flash.

Look at people like David Attenborough and John Craven.

They walk into animal environments, do a few tests, take a few photos, film a TV segment, then go home.

Other people nab animals and keep them in zoos, some labs take animals, breed them, test cosmetics on them, then kill them.

Why not the aliens too?
Its not a friend Quartz it was on the TV.... I agree with what you say but as you and olgit have said compared to whats out there we maybe arent that advanced. Why would they wipe the memory of most people they have tested on? yet forget on others allowing them to recall and sell stories via books etc. If they were that advanced there would be no mistakes..... Same as visiting earth if they didnt want to be seen they wouldnt be and if they did they would be, not just vague glimpses that could be thought of as possibly something else?

I agree with the the whole memory wipe thing, if they are so much more advanced why bother, would we (if we had the tech) wipe the memory of a shark if we did tests on it while it was drugged / out of the water.

With the "would we ever see them bit" - technology can go wrong no matter how advanced (maybe some ships were built when an alien on that shift was on a bad hangover!)

8)
Agree with the bad hangover bit. :D

The more complicated the technology, the more likely it is to go a bit wrong. A lawnmower is probably more reliable than a Lambourgini.

The same principle could be applied to the memory wipe of abductees.

Personally I don't put much trust in these reported abductions. I put most of it down to human imagination. People may truly believe they have been abducted when they haven't. They are then able to pass lie detector tests. Just like the hundreds of people who have convinced themselves they are reincarnations of Napoleon. Others may have a profit motive. Wanting to sell their stories.

But I've seen stuff about a doctor in America who has surgically removed tiny "implants" from supposed abductees. Weird. No visible scar tissue. Nerve endings where they shouldn't be. Samples sent to labs for analysis without telling them where the samples came from. The labs concluded that the samples were from meteorites. This is either a very clever hoax, or there are lots of people walking around with alien stuff inside them. :shock:

Here's a link to the American doctor stuff........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI_kOMdthLE

I'm getting worried now. I've had a little lump in my forearm that's been there since I was a kid. I've always assumed it was a lump of gravel left over from one of my many playtime injuries. Do you think the aliens are monitoring my alcohol consumption or something? :shock: :wink:

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If aliens exist, maybe some of them have the ability to wipe memories, and others do not?

Maybe some do not want to wipe them because they, in the way that Attenborough goes into an animal environement, do not think it is necessary to wipe our memories?

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flash gunner wrote:Olgit...... I was listening to an astronomer the other day (i need to get out more i know :oops: :wink: ) he said if aliens had visited the earth they must be so far advanced compared to us, as your lemmings comparison suggests, would they really be abducting humans and doing tests on us then wiping memories or even worse forgetting to wipe some farmers memories from the mid-west of the USA therefore allowing them to write books etc..... Same thing could be said about sightings, why would they be vague? surely if they we so much more advanced than us (and they would need to be as we cant travel those distances) they would be either invisible or clearly visible not somewhere in between allowing us vague glimpses :?
The astronomer was making assumptions Flash.

Abductions.....why wouldn't they, if they are interested in our species in the same way as we are interested in lesser species? And why assume that highly advanced species would never make mistakes?

Sightings.....why would they be always invisible or always visible? What's wrong with the idea of being invisible most of the time, but not always? Same as a wildlife cameraman in a hide? Or being visible only at certain moments of transition? Or being visible in order to gauge human reaction? Or being visible for some reason we could never even guess at?

I've got an open mind, even though I'm highly sceptical of 95% of the so-called evidence we are presented with.

I'm not knocking the astronomer. I'm sure he is excellent at his job. But he doesn't know everything. None of us do.

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i believe in these and find it quite interesting, i watch some of the programms on sky i think you cant not believe in them if u watch some of them

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olgitgooner wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Olgit...... I was listening to an astronomer the other day (i need to get out more i know :oops: :wink: ) he said if aliens had visited the earth they must be so far advanced compared to us, as your lemmings comparison suggests, would they really be abducting humans and doing tests on us then wiping memories or even worse forgetting to wipe some farmers memories from the mid-west of the USA therefore allowing them to write books etc..... Same thing could be said about sightings, why would they be vague? surely if they we so much more advanced than us (and they would need to be as we cant travel those distances) they would be either invisible or clearly visible not somewhere in between allowing us vague glimpses :?
The astronomer was making assumptions Flash.

Abductions.....why wouldn't they, if they are interested in our species in the same way as we are interested in lesser species? And why assume that highly advanced species would never make mistakes?

Sightings.....why would they be always invisible or always visible? What's wrong with the idea of being invisible most of the time, but not always? Same as a wildlife cameraman in a hide? Or being visible only at certain moments of transition? Or being visible in order to gauge human reaction? Or being visible for some reason we could never even guess at?

I've got an open mind, even though I'm highly sceptical of 95% of the so-called evidence we are presented with.

I'm not knocking the astronomer. I'm sure he is excellent at his job. But he doesn't know everything. None of us do.
Of course he is making assumptions olgit but its an educated guess and seeing as he is a professor of some sorts i'll be more likely to accept his point of view.

Its such an interesting subject

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flash gunner wrote: Of course he is making assumptions olgit but its an educated guess and seeing as he is a professor of some sorts i'll be more likely to accept his point of view.

Its such an interesting subject
You and Red Member together on that one Flash :D

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QuartzGooner wrote:
flash gunner wrote: Of course he is making assumptions olgit but its an educated guess and seeing as he is a professor of some sorts i'll be more likely to accept his point of view.

Its such an interesting subject
You and Red Member together on that one Flash :D

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a REAL one Quartz a real one

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flash gunner wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Olgit...... I was listening to an astronomer the other day (i need to get out more i know :oops: :wink: ) he said if aliens had visited the earth they must be so far advanced compared to us, as your lemmings comparison suggests, would they really be abducting humans and doing tests on us then wiping memories or even worse forgetting to wipe some farmers memories from the mid-west of the USA therefore allowing them to write books etc..... Same thing could be said about sightings, why would they be vague? surely if they we so much more advanced than us (and they would need to be as we cant travel those distances) they would be either invisible or clearly visible not somewhere in between allowing us vague glimpses :?
The astronomer was making assumptions Flash.

Abductions.....why wouldn't they, if they are interested in our species in the same way as we are interested in lesser species? And why assume that highly advanced species would never make mistakes?

Sightings.....why would they be always invisible or always visible? What's wrong with the idea of being invisible most of the time, but not always? Same as a wildlife cameraman in a hide? Or being visible only at certain moments of transition? Or being visible in order to gauge human reaction? Or being visible for some reason we could never even guess at?

I've got an open mind, even though I'm highly sceptical of 95% of the so-called evidence we are presented with.

I'm not knocking the astronomer. I'm sure he is excellent at his job. But he doesn't know everything. None of us do.
Of course he is making assumptions olgit but its an educated guess and seeing as he is a professor of some sorts i'll be more likely to accept his point of view.

Its such an interesting subject
Flash I am shocked that you would side with "professor of some sorts" rather than a fellow Gooner. :shock:

Fuck off and support chelsea :-P :lol:

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