THE ARSENAL CAPTAINCY: THE ABUSE CONTINUES

[Number 5]

Is it ok that I touch myself whilst reading the second half of this thread?

[I Hate Hleb]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

[augie]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

You read all that stuff ??

FFS there are more quote towers in those last 2 pages then probably the rest of the website put together and between that and the name calling I cant be arsed to read them

[flash gunner]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

You read all that stuff ??

FFS there are more quote towers in those last 2 pages then probably the rest of the website put together and between that and the name calling I cant be arsed to read them

Its worth it augie ive learnt some new words

[I Hate Hleb]

Well someone has to augie, seeing as Rebel, DB10 and their fellow 'mod apprentices' don't seem to bother to most of the time!!

Bloody hell, they can't even be bothered to delete double posts on threads in which they have made a contribution, useless crunts!!!

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

Top 4 is our target at the moment - we have lost too many games already, simple answer that one. Can we compete with a team pumping 200 million into the squad? Not currently, we are rebuilding and paying the price for it. Top 4 is an acheivement, but it is not success - we are all in agreement there ,but for this season its the target. Some of that is Wengers fault, some of it, a lot of it, isnt. I blame Cesc and Nasri for pissing about and not handing in formal transfer requests because it would not only have faciliated the move quicker, it would have stopped them getting huge "loyalty" payments. I do believe we tried to keep both, and rightly so given their ability but as much as the club probably didnt act perfectly - they both fucked up our summer.

No team should lose 8-2. but like United 6-1 we just went to pot - it can happen - we have spanked more teams by 5 or 6 goals under Wenger than it is happenned to us. Its football and things have been addressed since then - as a mitigating point taknig Cockles off after 60 mins of that game was a massive mistake and contributed to the downfall. The team you saw that day does not constitute the (first) team we see now.

You have to distinguish between what Wenger says to the press and how they report it. Yes, Wenger does stick by the players no matter how shit they are, but coming out and saying "Squillaci is shit" is not really going to do much for him of the team is it?

Wenger has addressed the defence in terms of personel (TV, LK, AS, PM), the coaching again is a critical problem and as i say, if we dont reach top 4 then Wenger is culpable for not adressing it.

I could go on, you have your view and thats fine, but the manner in which you put it forward needs serious work.

You dont seem to have addressed my last point re the Stoke game I notice, you ahve the right to call Wenger a *word censored* as you keep so rightly saying, if you want to to do it during a game rather than watching it and supportnig the team fine - but i also have a right to use that as a reason not to really give any credence to anything to say.

[Babatunde]

I can do two thigns at once. That means that whilst watching a game, I can still call Wenger a c***. It really isn't that hard!!!

Now back to the point at hand. How can you blame Cesc? How? The whole world knew he was going. Wenger has a club to manage and you cannot blame a player for not putting a transfer request in earlier. The whole world knew he was going, so Wenger should have put a timeline on it, handed him an ultimatum, and told him he is not leaving if he has not signed by a certain date. Most top managers would do this. It nips it in the bud and believe me, if Cesc thinks he is missing out on his dream move; he'd make sure he handed in a request pretty quick.

That is Wenger's fault it is crazy to blame Cesc. How can one player who doesn't wanna be there be responsible for a club's entire flawed transfer strategy??!

Nasri again - quite simply that is also Wenger's fault for one simple reason: as Fergie noted with Ronaldo, you do not let a player get into the final two years of his contract without addressing the contractual issue. The fact that Nasri was able to go into the final year of his contract without a deal screwed us and that is down to incompetent foresight and arrogant management.

Arrogant management because Wenger was convinced Nasri would just sign. Why would he? What have we won? Sod all. Why would he stay on then?

This is all down to AW's mismanagement and imo it is crazy to blame two players who aren't even at the club, for awful perfdormances on the pitch when we are getting done 4-3 at Blackburn!!!

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

So we should of sold Cesc for a shit price early on and be done with it - be Barcas bitch? No, we stayed strong for as long as we could.....but in the end he was a detriment to the team. Can you blame Wenger for trying to hold on to a player he nurtured through? He had 4 years left on his contract - we had no right to be fucked about by Barca.....Cesc fucked it all up by saying that was the only place he would go, stopping any chance of getting a decent price - you dont think City of Madrid would have offered a shit load more?

Nasri was offered a contract last October, with 18 months to go, and didnt sign it - funily enough he realised he could earn a shit loads elsewhere.....what can we do? He blames the team, but he was a masive part of our season falling apart by not turning. Not Wengers fault - pure greed of a palyer happy to be a small fish in a big pond.

As i say, you can call Wenger a *word censored* all you want, i dont give a shit really but for the reasons expressed above it devalues you as a poster you do it during a game rather than watching it. Were you watching the game when you posted the the opening post to this thread 30 seconds after the final whistle? You cant judge if your not watching. We have such different views we will never agree on anything, but the way you refuse to be positive abot anything, ever makes you a bit of a laughing stock.

[psychoangus]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

Maybe there should be an 'Official Squabble Thread' in the basement where people can take their name calling and shit slinging so the rest of us don't have to sift through pages and pages of quote towers trying to find something relating to the subject matter.

[kiwomya]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

Maybe there should be an 'Official Squabble Thread' in the basement where people can take their name calling and shit slinging so the rest of us don't have to sift through pages and pages of quote towers trying to find something relating to the subject matter.

Pretty much means Babatunde can only post in the basement....

[Babatunde]

So we should of sold Cesc for a shit price early on and be done with it - be Barcas bitch? No, we stayed strong for as long as we could.....but in the end he was a detriment to the team. Can you blame Wenger for trying to hold on to a player he nurtured through? He had 4 years left on his contract - we had no right to be fucked about by Barca.....Cesc fucked it all up by saying that was the only place he would go, stopping any chance of getting a decent price - you dont think City of Madrid would have offered a shit load more?

Nasri was offered a contract last October, with 18 months to go, and didnt sign it - funily enough he realised he could earn a shit loads elsewhere.....what can we do? He blames the team, but he was a masive part of our season falling apart by not turning. Not Wengers fault - pure greed of a palyer happy to be a small fish in a big pond.

As i say, you can call Wenger a c**t all you want, i dont give a shit really but for the reasons expressed above it devalues you as a poster you do it during a game rather than watching it. Were you watching the game when you posted the the opening post to this thread 30 seconds after the final whistle? You cant judge if your not watching. We have such different views we will never agree on anything, but the way you refuse to be positive abot anything, ever makes you a bit of a laughing stock.

It is my right to be as negative as I want, and I'll continue to exercise it.

Sorry but your points on Cesc are plain mistaken imo. How does it make us Barca's bitch if we impose a price-oriented deadline? Other clubs do this with no problems. Inter did it with Sneijder when ManYoo wouldn't match their fee and he is still there. Cesc had 4 years on his contract.
Last summer Barca came to us with a £35 mil bid and we knocked it back because it was 'insulting'....

So one summer later, Barca come back with the same offer, and after a shite season and with no planning we sell, for the same fee. And you think Wenger stayed strong? If anything it was the board that tried to hold on to Cesc as Cesc himself admitted. The board were holding out for a fee of at least £40 mil and AW begged them to have it lowered. So Wenger fucked us there I'm afraid.

The contract Nasri was offered 18 months ago - of course he realised he could earn more elsewhere! If you're an excellent player and you are offered an undervalued contract, why the hell should you sign it? If you are Nasri and being offered what was (reported) at the time to be £60k a week...and you look to your left and you see Diaby and Song, two super-mediocre players of little talent on £55k/60k a week, would you not think it was a big joke?

And this still does not answer my question: how can two players, who left the club months ago, be responsible for results on the pitch? How are they to blame for shipping TWELVE goals at Ewood Park and Old Trafford? Are they to blame for Wenger being at a coaching conference in Monaco when he shoulda been scrambling around to get proper players instead of the jokes we ended up with??

I find it truly unbelievable that you can slate and blame Cesc the way you are, whilst absolving Wenger of blame. Very indicative. Fabregas it should be noted, is the sole reason Arsenal were competitive for as long as they were for over three years. The minute he leaves and there isn't a player in that squad capable of threading a ball through or dictating a midfield. He was too good for us, he cold have gone to any team in Europe 3 years beforehand and continued to stay even though most would have left. So how is he 'greedy'?

He took a pay-cut to join Barcelona!!!!

[brazilianGOONER]

i've just read this thread's last few pages, and there are some fucking great posts by belfast boy along the way. good to have you back, sir. for seconds it reminded me of the time there was a lot of interesting discussion in here.

i am disappointed with the way wenger has been running the club for the last couple of years and i'm not sure if he still has what it takes to turn it around, but this forum has become quite boring with all the negativity. there is no single thread here without abuse to wenger, it's like we were relegated to league 2 or something. people throw abuse at each other because of disagreeing with "facts" they themselves made up through assumptions.

i used to come here many many times everyday, it was fun, respectful and had a decent number of good discussions. now all i look for are barry's gifs.

to me it looks like the forum's average age has dropped some fifteen years in two years.

and to make it even worse, there's babatunde now. in my eyes he's a symbol of what this forum became


EDIT: forget about the "respectful" part, i don't where i took that from

What do you know you arent a real fan becasue you live in brazil

Dont mind him mc.......he is just ass kissing the returning mod
Since last summer our brazilian buddy has been telling everybody that he had finally seen the light and how he had to go and now he's "not sure" if wenger can turn it around....if he turns about as quick as you do bg then he'll def have a chance at turning it around

i haven't changed my mind augie, a guy who plays arshavin as centre striker and makes almunia your number one goalkeeper for three years won't go back to being smart that quick. however, the man who brought the invincibles and two doubles can't be a TOTAL dickhead as well, can he?

everything in life is a matter of balance, my problem with people like babatunde (see, i'm using your name again!) is exactly the need to take things to the radical side, instead of putting things into some real context and balancing your views. it's easier and more fun to simply complain and get extreme on your views. that's why children never have balanced views. it's super cool or super not cool. it's "i love wenger and hope he fucks my ass" or "i hate wenger and i hope he dies".

wenger lost the plot, i'm quite sure he'll never be a top top manager again, and i'd like to see someone younger and more ambitious at the helm, but i just can't completely dismiss the old man after all he's done for me.

[brazilianGOONER]

Was just about to lock this thread until I read the last two posts. Now if we more of that sort of contribution, and a lot less of the abusive posts, then I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier. If not, I'll have no option but to shut this, and any other thread where this squabble is going on, down. It's up to you guys.

Maybe there should be an 'Official Squabble Thread' in the basement where people can take their name calling and shit slinging so the rest of us don't have to sift through pages and pages of quote towers trying to find something relating to the subject matter.

awesome idea. we'll call it "the UStunde thread"

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

So we should of sold Cesc for a shit price early on and be done with it - be Barcas bitch? No, we stayed strong for as long as we could.....but in the end he was a detriment to the team. Can you blame Wenger for trying to hold on to a player he nurtured through? He had 4 years left on his contract - we had no right to be fucked about by Barca.....Cesc fucked it all up by saying that was the only place he would go, stopping any chance of getting a decent price - you dont think City of Madrid would have offered a shit load more?

Nasri was offered a contract last October, with 18 months to go, and didnt sign it - funily enough he realised he could earn a shit loads elsewhere.....what can we do? He blames the team, but he was a masive part of our season falling apart by not turning. Not Wengers fault - pure greed of a palyer happy to be a small fish in a big pond.

As i say, you can call Wenger a c**t all you want, i dont give a shit really but for the reasons expressed above it devalues you as a poster you do it during a game rather than watching it. Were you watching the game when you posted the the opening post to this thread 30 seconds after the final whistle? You cant judge if your not watching. We have such different views we will never agree on anything, but the way you refuse to be positive abot anything, ever makes you a bit of a laughing stock.

It is my right to be as negative as I want, and I'll continue to exercise it.

Sorry but your points on Cesc are plain mistaken imo. How does it make us Barca's bitch if we impose a price-oriented deadline? Other clubs do this with no problems. Inter did it with Sneijder when ManYoo wouldn't match their fee and he is still there. Cesc had 4 years on his contract.
Last summer Barca came to us with a £35 mil bid and we knocked it back because it was 'insulting'....

So one summer later, Barca come back with the same offer, and after a shite season and with no planning we sell, for the same fee. And you think Wenger stayed strong? If anything it was the board that tried to hold on to Cesc as Cesc himself admitted. The board were holding out for a fee of at least £40 mil and AW begged them to have it lowered. So Wenger fucked us there I'm afraid.

The contract Nasri was offered 18 months ago - of course he realised he could earn more elsewhere! If you're an excellent player and you are offered an undervalued contract, why the hell should you sign it? If you are Nasri and being offered what was (reported) at the time to be £60k a week...and you look to your left and you see Diaby and Song, two super-mediocre players of little talent on £55k/60k a week, would you not think it was a big joke?

And this still does not answer my question: how can two players, who left the club months ago, be responsible for results on the pitch? How are they to blame for shipping TWELVE goals at Ewood Park and Old Trafford? Are they to blame for Wenger being at a coaching conference in Monaco when he shoulda been scrambling around to get proper players instead of the jokes we ended up with??

I find it truly unbelievable that you can slate and blame Cesc the way you are, whilst absolving Wenger of blame. Very indicative. Fabregas it should be noted, is the sole reason Arsenal were competitive for as long as they were for over three years. The minute he leaves and there isn't a player in that squad capable of threading a ball through or dictating a midfield. He was too good for us, he cold have gone to any team in Europe 3 years beforehand and continued to stay even though most would have left. So how is he 'greedy'?

He took a pay-cut to join Barcelona!!!!

I like the fact you quote facts and figures like you know them all - your speculating, we all are to an extent -we dont know what goes on behind closed doors - unless you take the Sun as Gospel

Im not blaming Cesc and Nasri (who is not "excellent" btw) for losing those two games - your paraphrasing wrongly, what im saying is their departures caused a lot of unrest in the squad - rightly or wrongly - and we have taken a while to recover and rebuild. Your pickng out two defeats, we have also won games you know, and will do so in the future - as i said above, with the last 8 games we couldnt have done too much better.......even at WHL we played well in spells. Of course tests are still to come, but you have to give credit for the last few weeks. As i say, had Wenger gone post Blackburn and a new manager come in and won 7 out of 8 he would be getting praise for the turnaround. Wenger is in the last chance saloon for sure, but he still has my suport until the end of the season.

Yep, you continute to post overeactive threads like it was a "disgrace" Song - an Arsenal regular and International was Captain for one day in a game we won, when the Captain, VC and usual stand in Rosciky and probably next in line Sagna were not there......and that Charlie George had been sacked in a cost cutting measure - he hasnt and the idea that he would be is laughable.

In fact that point about the Captaincy shows just how hard we are finding it to get our first team out at the moment!

Look forward to the next one.

[Belfast Boy]

Right lads I've just spent the last 10 mins cleaning up those quote towers and I'm not goin to do it again as they were completely unnecessary as most of your posts were sequential anyway so please think of the rest of the board members and take the time to be selective with your quotes otherwise it's almost unreadable as if the slangin match didn't almost wreck the thread before that