Aaron Ramsey - statistics and form etc.

[augie]

For the record Daryl I am not one of those that has written off giroud so inc me in your list of those defending ramsey is pointless really when I am not guilty of double standards as you seem to be suggesting

[DarylAFC]

For the record Daryl I am not one of those that has written off giroud so inc me in your list of those defending ramsey is pointless really when I am not guilty of double standards as you seem to be suggesting

Wasn't singling you out personally mate, just commenting on a general vibe there is on here about Ramsey and Giroud.

Removed it, avoid confusion

[Top Gun 49]

like rudytel has said - Ramsey is a good squad player.

however he should not have been a starter in our biggest game of the season so far.

[arseofacrow]

So can I just re-establish the forum rules - "fuck off wanker" to Abou Diaby from Mikey is fine. Wishing that a current Arsenal player had both legs broken by Shawcross - fine

Making a couple of silly comments about Denilson being his favourite midfielder - lifetime ban for Red.

Makes the FA's decision to ban Terry for 4 games for calling someone a black *word censored*, whilst banning Barton for 12 games for losing the plot logical now

Youre right SteveO the comments above arent acceptable

But Stevo - If you wore a scum shirt around your house i would call you a wanker!

He probably does Mikey - one with Diaby printed on the back.

[Barriecuda]

I agree with all of the points you have made here. People are far to quick to jump up and abuse him which is wrong when the mistakes he makes are identical of those around him.

Given the Diaby injury (even the slightest thing keeps him out for a month at a time) it would seem Ramsey will be playing a far more important role now and we should get behind him all of the way

Sorry if there is already another thread on this but i would like to make several points about the boy.

1. He's a Central midfield player so why play him out wide? two massively different positions
2. Ramsey never stops running unlike several players, always making the effort
3. Fans are too quickly to jump on his back. He tries a through ball doesn't work and people are shouting crap like 'sell him, he's f***in useless'. Cazorla tries a through ball and it doesn't work 'unlucky, your still class'. I'm not comparing the two players just using examples of what I heard yesterday.
4. I'm not a Ramsey fan boy, just feel the lad gets too much abuse when actually he doesn't do that much wrong and there are others that some weeks play a lot worse than he does.

Once again, apologies if there is another thread on Ramsey

lol Here we go again.

It should speak to his quality that the manager is willing to play him in a variety of roles. That's not easy. He's actually looked pretty good out wide IMO, when he dropped into the mid to make up for Diaby's injury against Chavski we lost a bit of an edge I think (partly because the gameplan revolved around Diaby's presence, and without him we weren't set up to cope with them).

Anyway, he gets way too much hate considering his age, inexperience, and potential.

So we should give Ramsey "time" and be "patient" yet many on here have already written off Giroud?

I am still very much in the pro-Giroud camp. I think he's going to be fantastic, and I think his performances have already been very good. He makes smart runs, plays 2-ways, and asides from lacking a couple goals hasn't been bad at all, just very unlucky. He has shown a ton of quality, asides from a couple nervous misses (both at the Emirates, which I don't think is a coincidence).

He is new to the "big stage", frankly. You could see how shaken up he was at Montpellier (obviously an emotional element to that too). He will score, he will loosen up, and I think he will be a really good signing. Most of all, I could see him being loyal to Arsenal for a long time.

On topic: Ramsey looking better. Have liked him out wide this season. Cheeky finish vs Olympiakos; meaningless goal, but still a class final product.

[DarylAFC]

I agree with all of the points you have made here. People are far to quick to jump up and abuse him which is wrong when the mistakes he makes are identical of those around him.

Given the Diaby injury (even the slightest thing keeps him out for a month at a time) it would seem Ramsey will be playing a far more important role now and we should get behind him all of the way

Sorry if there is already another thread on this but i would like to make several points about the boy.

1. He's a Central midfield player so why play him out wide? two massively different positions
2. Ramsey never stops running unlike several players, always making the effort
3. Fans are too quickly to jump on his back. He tries a through ball doesn't work and people are shouting crap like 'sell him, he's f***in useless'. Cazorla tries a through ball and it doesn't work 'unlucky, your still class'. I'm not comparing the two players just using examples of what I heard yesterday.
4. I'm not a Ramsey fan boy, just feel the lad gets too much abuse when actually he doesn't do that much wrong and there are others that some weeks play a lot worse than he does.

Once again, apologies if there is another thread on Ramsey

lol Here we go again.

It should speak to his quality that the manager is willing to play him in a variety of roles. That's not easy. He's actually looked pretty good out wide IMO, when he dropped into the mid to make up for Diaby's injury against Chavski we lost a bit of an edge I think (partly because the gameplan revolved around Diaby's presence, and without him we weren't set up to cope with them).

Anyway, he gets way too much hate considering his age, inexperience, and potential.

So we should give Ramsey "time" and be "patient" yet many on here have already written off Giroud?

I am still very much in the pro-Giroud camp. I think he's going to be fantastic, and I think his performances have already been very good. He makes smart runs, plays 2-ways, and asides from lacking a couple goals hasn't been bad at all, just very unlucky. He has shown a ton of quality, asides from a couple nervous misses (both at the Emirates, which I don't think is a coincidence).

He is new to the "big stage", frankly. You could see how shaken up he was at Montpellier (obviously an emotional element to that too). He will score, he will loosen up, and I think he will be a really good signing. Most of all, I could see him being loyal to Arsenal for a long time.

On topic: Ramsey looking better. Have liked him out wide this season. Cheeky finish vs Olympiakos; meaningless goal, but still a class final product.

As I said to Augie, I didnt mean to single you out personally on Giroud, just a general Vibe I got from the fourm.

RE: Ramsey, I still think he's a poor player. Let's not get carried away by a goal from a subs appearence against some greeks we should've stuffed.

I'll eat himbe pie on gibbs. He's impressed me SO FAR but Ramsey just hasn't

Poor passes
Silly shots
Weak tackles

Not good enough I'm afraid.

[green gooner]

While I am reluctant to express an opinion after the lord mayors show, I was happy for Ramsey and his super wee goal on Wednesday night. The lad has taken a battering on here at times which I believe was mostly harsh and unjustified. As has already been pointed out the boy has been to injury hell and back just like Eduardo and Diaby. I feel pity for Jack already if he doesn't hit the ground running! Rambo is a better player than a lot of folks on here are prepared to credit him for.

As for Giroud, he is either total dung or just damned unlucky. I go with the latter opinion just now as I believe his positional play is quite good and so long as he works himself into good positions, the goals will come along .

Another thing, has anyone ever saw Santi's knees

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

So can I just re-establish the forum rules - "fuck off wanker" to Abou Diaby from Mikey is fine. Wishing that a current Arsenal player had both legs broken by Shawcross - fine

Making a couple of silly comments about Denilson being his favourite midfielder - lifetime ban for Red.

Makes the FA's decision to ban Terry for 4 games for calling someone a black *word censored*, whilst banning Barton for 12 games for losing the plot logical now

Youre right SteveO the comments above arent acceptable

But Stevo - If you wore a scum shirt around your house i would call you a wanker!

He probably does Mikey - one with Diaby printed on the back.

Back to Ramsey:

One thing I didn't take into consideration, until I read it in The Times this morning, was that he not only had to deal with coming back from the injury last year (and also being continuously played despite a desperate loss of form!) But he also had to deal with the loss of Gary Speed. Apparently they were very close. While it doesn't excuse some of the shite performances I think it's easy for us to just look at players and (because of the cash they earn) just think of them as machines. I think the kid had a lot to deal with last year.

Is he good enough for Arsenal? I believe yes. Obviously most don't agree but I would like to see a full season of him fully fit and rotated in a decent midfield before I write him off.

BTW - if anybody gets the chance, read the article today. I think it portrays an intelligent, well rounded 21 year old. That's something of a commodity in modern football IMO

[GranadaJoe]

All players should do positive things on the pitch, but at a more basic level they shouldn't do stupid things and Rambo has been guilty of doing stupid things in most matches (he isn't the only one at the moment), which detracts from performances which seem to have improved. He used to be a bit lazy, failing to track runners etc, but that side has improved, but as long as he is still prone to giving away possession in midfield is will be a liability. If he could get a run of games just doing the simple things well and ditching the silly flicks and Hollywood passes it would benefit him, the team and us.

[northbank123]

Wales captaincy taken off him. Hardly going to do wonders for his confidence but then again neither was being primarily blamed for losing 6-1 in Serbia, not fair for him to have to carry the can for how shit the rest of the Welsh players are.

On a related noted, FUCK OFF JAMES COLLINS. So atrociously bad now, why embarrass yourself by still calling him up Coleman?

[rigsby]

Pretty sure Ramsey hates Chris Coleman, and was very against the appointment.

[northbank123]

Pretty sure Ramsey hates Chris Coleman, and was very against the appointment.

Not sure I'd say he hates Coleman, but it's pretty obvious he was against the appointment. Now I'm not one who wants players to dictate managerial appointments at club or international level, but fuck me were Wales punching above our weight at the end of the Speed reign. For me Speed was a great figurehead and clearly got on well with the players, especially the key ones like Bellamy and co that Toshack royally pissed off, but wasn't a great coach. Verheijen seemed to be the brains behind it, and given Wales' form and the nature of the job being available it was ludicrous to not even consult the players. Imagine being so shit for years, and then through hard work and a great coaching team things start to click and you start beating decent international teams home and away, then on top of a great footballing and more importantly personal tragedy the moronic FAW ride roughshod over the progress made and appoint somebody completely new. I've got a lot of time for Coleman as a person and Verheijen made some royally cuntish comments in the wake of not being offered the job, but the choice was between putting him in charge and catapulting us back into the dark days of Toshack, and the pricks at the FAW chose wrong (again).

[rigsby]

I'm not sure how Coleman even got it.

[northbank123]

I was actually in favour of Coleman getting it over Speed as he'd just come off the back of taking Sheffield United down to League One, but it's been longer and longer since Coleman's work at Fulham, with some fairly dour spells at Coventry and Sociedad filling the void.

I've moved towards the camp that we need a technical manager instead of somebody with at least 30 caps. It's exactly the same as what happens with England but on a much lower level. We come up against teams with often inferior players but technically and tactically we are shit and get turned over. When we were playing under an effective system from Verheijen we were beating teams like Bulgaria, Norway, Montenegro and Switzerland (hardly world-beaters but sides with considerably more international pedigree than us) and should have taken at least a point at Wembley. Either side of that we were ranked below Faroe Islands and put in a pot with Liechtenstein, San Marino etc, and losing to the likes of Costa Rica and shipping in 6 to a struggling Serbia.

Now aside from being a Jack bastard, Coleman did a good job for Wales as a player but as a manager (particularly with an international dimension) he's fucking useless.

[OneBardGooner]

It was always going to be tough for anyone taking over from Gary Speed, what with the tragic circumstances and all....I don't think Coleman is a very good manager, but who could Wales appoint - Can they afford a top name?

I just hope this doesn't affect Rambo adversely as he's already have a somewhat inconsistent time ...