THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[frankbutcher]

Make sure you tweet this to journos!!! We need to bring down PHW, the old fool.

[Red Member]

Usmanov is the only way.

the one thing that this Chelsea CL win might do is to make other supporters realise this too.
sadly without a billionaire bankrolling your team there is now no way Arsenal will win another PL title.

It was just about possible when there was 1 bankrolled team, but impossible now there are 2.
Manchester United are in the same situation as us. With Usmanov on board there could be an elite group of 3 clubs competing with United, Liverpool and Spurs fighting it out for 4th place. Without him groundhog day (at best) will continue.

Moaning about Wenger is stupid and irrelevant. No we will probably not win anything under him again but we would do even worse (Europa League) without him. It is all about the owners now.

KROENKE OUT

[stg]

So are we at the fork in the road time-

to the left it's stay as we are get screwed by the mega owner teams fight for 3rd & 4th every season, start trying to win the domestic cups and hope that somehow we get the luck and win the CL.

or

to the right get ourselves a mega owner who pumps loads of money into the club(not wanting most of it back) screw most of the the other teams in the PL and play the game Chelsea and City are playing.

[augie]

So are we at the fork in the road time-

to the left it's stay as we are get screwed by the mega owner teams fight for 3rd & 4th every season, start trying to win the domestic cups and hope that somehow we get the luck and win the CL.

or

to the right get ourselves a mega owner who pumps loads of money into the club(not wanting most of it back) screw most of the the other teams in the PL and play the game Chelsea and City are playing.

Not a tough decision is it ? At least for most of us it isnt but it would be interesting to hear how redaction, ast and aisa feel about it now - cant see them opposing phw, kroenke and all the other existing buffoons on the committee can you ?

[SteveO 35]

So funny watching how the worm has turned.

2003 - average AKB - ah, Chelsea will do a Leeds and be bankrupt in a few years

2004-2011 - believe everything Uncle Ivan says despite anybody with a basic knowledge of reading accounts being able to understand that Arsenal are a more heavily indebted club than Chelsea, bring "Hate Usmanov" banners to matches

2012 - Chelsea secure 10th trophy under Abramovich and one that Arsenal will never win under the current owner and manager. AKBs - "oh perhaps Abramovich isn't going away......send for Usmanov"

[Red Member]

this article I have found sums things up quite well I think.
http://justarsenal.com/the-facts-show-t ... cess/12226

I can't believe anyone who reads it would want us to continue with Kroenke.

apart from supporting Wenger this season I have been banging on about getting rid of Kroenke since about December.
People saying that we can't win anything under Wenger are missing the point. In fact Kroenke must love the criticism Wenger gets. The more criticism of Wenger, the more Kroenke is ignored and the more he can get away with.

[georgeknows89]

STUFF RED ACTION , AISA , AST,

This is about our football club that we are born live and die for, most of that lot are only in it for self interest and never seen any of them at Middlesborough 5.30 on a Saturday or Shaktar or Udinese away etc- Barnet in July is about the furthest most will travel.

We can't do anything at the moment pro Usmanov but we CAN try and increase the ante Kroenke /Hill Wood message so that they all get pissed off and fcuk off.

The end result will be Usmanov will have to waste a few hundred million out of petty cash to spank the yank and all his cronies that could have been spent on players, all because of Hill Wood manipulating the sale as outlined earlier by our swedish posting.

LETS GO FOR USMANOV - 'HE'LL SPEND WHAT HE WANTS"

All thats changed since my original posting is both billionaires have won the 2 major trophies !!!!!!!!!!

[flash gunner]

this article I have found sums things up quite well I think.
http://justarsenal.com/the-facts-show-t ... cess/12226

I can't believe anyone who reads it would want us to continue with Kroenke.

apart from supporting Wenger this season I have been banging on about getting rid of Kroenke since about December.
People saying that we can't win anything under Wenger are missing the point. In fact Kroenke must love the criticism Wenger gets. The more criticism of Wenger, the more Kroenke is ignored and the more he can get away with.

What about Arsene's 'project' before Kroenke owned the club. Wenger is equally guilty as anyone at our club for the current state of affairs but you keep blowing your WUM smokescreen across things Red because you think youve got people onside

[Red Member]

I am not saying that Wenger is beyond criticism, just that he is not so important to any future success.
Kroenke refuses to invest in top players and so we dont/wont compete for trophies.

at least before Kroenke you always felt there was a chance of winning something. We were very unlucky not to win the league in 2008. The ambition at the club now you feel is to get in the top 4. That has been achieved again and so it is snooze time whilst everybody else strengthens once more.

[SteveO 35]

Red - how can you throw up this argument about the manager not being important anymore. Having the money is one thing, using it properly is another.

Look at Chelsea - Scolari and Villas Boas were given money to spend. They failed. Di Matteo has won 2 Cups in 3 months. Mourinho succeeded where Ranieri failed.

Your mate Dalglish spent £100m and failed- he should have secured a minimum of top 4 but spent the money on shit

Anyway, I remember the Self Harmer being asked what he would do with £100m given to him by a rich owner and he replied "Give it back" as though he had won some sort of moral trophy. If he did spend it, it would be on a dozen 16-21 year olds anyway rather than 4 world class players. The guy is fixated with a long term (10 yrs+) failing project and has an ownership structure that supports it because it involves low levels of investment - they are perfectly matched. A new owner would not tolerate Wenger's vision of success for the year 2022

Kroenke out, Gazidis out, Wenger out

[TheCook]

[quote="georgeknows89"]STUFF RED ACTION , AISA , AST,

This is about our football club that we are born live and die for, most of that lot are only in it for self interest and never seen any of them at Middlesborough 5.30 on a Saturday or Shaktar or Udinese away etc- Barnet in July is about the furthest most will travel.

quote]

So, obviously, you know most all of those guys, do you? I just don't understand the willingness to slag off all the fans groups just because things aren't going your way ; Get off your keyboard and do something about it then, join one of those groups, or start your own.

Stop slagging off other Gooners, we all want the same thing, which is a successful team. Discuss the issues on this forum as long as you want, but coming up with some mythical criticisms of others is just piss poor ; you haven't a fackin clue who those people are and what they do for the love of AFC.

[arseofacrow]

Discuss the issues on this forum as long as you want.

Official permission from club organ redaction

[augie]

STUFF RED ACTION , AISA , AST,

This is about our football club that we are born live and die for, most of that lot are only in it for self interest and never seen any of them at Middlesborough 5.30 on a Saturday or Shaktar or Udinese away etc- Barnet in July is about the furthest most will travel.

quote]

So, obviously, you know most all of those guys, do you? I just don't understand the willingness to slag off all the fans groups just because things aren't going your way ; Get off your keyboard and do something about it then, join one of those groups, or start your own.

Stop slagging off other Gooners, we all want the same thing, which is a successful team. Discuss the issues on this forum as long as you want, but coming up with some mythical criticisms of others is just piss poor ; you haven't a fackin clue who those people are and what they do for the love of AFC.

Which is a fair enough point but let me ask you Cook, cos you are a self confessed redaction advocate, do you believe that the anti usmanov feeling is still dominant in redaction or has there been a weakening in your groups stance ? I am not asking this to provoke an argument but I do believe that there will be an anti kroenke/pro usmanov protest coming down the line (if we dont see a severe change of club workings over the summer) so am curious to know what will be the official position taken by the various groups. I am not trying to be dramatic or anything but I do wonder if the future credibility of the various supporter representative groups is also at a crossroads.........if they come out publicly backing the existing owner and the existing set up then I think that could be the final straw for a lot of people cos, leaving out personalities of the equation, it is clear for most fans to see that the existing set up is not working and is only going to leave us further behind

[TheCook]

In reply to Augie's question, I think that the opinion will be that we have no opinion ; We have got our fingers burned with getting involved in such issues in the past (as many posters take delight in constantly reminding me), and have gone on record in the season just finished that we we will be focussing on 'matchday' issues only.

We would just point people in the direction of the AST, as some of our number are involved there also.

We know our limits now, and have found our niche ; Personally we have our opinions on the ownership issue, but they are not relevant from a REDaction point of view.

I would once again reiterate the point that if anyone doesn't like certain issues around the club, only YOU have the power to change it, so get involved ; If you choose not to, then fine ; but don't make misinformed remarks about those that do (directed at the previous poster, not Augie), as these are the guys and girls getting off their arses and trying to make a difference ; Arsenal would be a much better place for all if we had more fans who were doers instead of talkers.

[Red Member]

Red - how can you throw up this argument about the manager not being important anymore. Having the money is one thing, using it properly is another.

that is why we are already at an advantage by having the manager of the decade in charge of Arsenal