THE WENGER THREAD

[flash gunner]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments

mate youre cherry picking again in stating Ramsey was good - without mentioning it was for 10 minutes and the rest of time he's been poor, its a prime example. This is exactly cherry picking which is the only thing youve got as its so difficult to defend Wenger these days

[highburyJD]

I havent 'claimed' anything
going to games signifies access and disposable income
my statement was a response to those who wanted us out of the CL - those that go, and look forward to those games would feel differently
unfortunately many of our long distance fans get over sensitive

I support my local team and have done since 8, pretty much every game since early 90's
I can go on about my Islington skools, Upper St jobs blah blah blah
I'm an Islington yokel won't leave the village
married, two kids, self-employed - none of this is relevant.
Plenty go to more games, have more generations of family support, cannons tattoed on their faces whatever
There are ex-player 'experts' paid on TV for their opinions who I think are clueless
this is not about whos opinion is inherently better

People who go to CL games love going. They wouldn't want us knocked out.
This is not a controversial statement.

[highburyJD]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments

mate youre cherry picking again in stating Ramsey was good - without mentioning it was for 10 minutes and the rest of time he's been poor, its a prime example. This is exactly cherry picking which is the only thing youve got as its so difficult to defend Wenger these days

we aren't doing so well right now
but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger
he needs a big winter in the market and on the pitch

but 13 years through CL groups is not cherrypicking
always top 4 in the league is not cherry picking

[flash gunner]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments

mate youre cherry picking again in stating Ramsey was good - without mentioning it was for 10 minutes and the rest of time he's been poor, its a prime example. This is exactly cherry picking which is the only thing youve got as its so difficult to defend Wenger these days

we aren't doing so well right now
but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger
he needs a big winter in the market and on the pitch

but 13 years through CL groups is not cherrypicking
always top 4 in the league is not cherry picking

That's all you've got. So if someone makes a point about say Ramsey being shit you cherry pick his 10 minute cameo and say its unfair to criticise blatantly forgetting (cherry picking) his poor couple of seasons. Its exactly what you do!!

[OneBardGooner]

sorry - people suggesting I don't believe what I say irritates me
obv becoming over defensive

YOU!!! Over Defensive!!!?? Jeeezuss Never!..Maybe you should be in our back four then!

[OneBardGooner]

Rambo has been mostly poor, but on days where he's OK/others play worse than him
and it's laid at his door he's just a scapegoathe was excellent off the bench (briefly 10/15 mins I think) v Montpellier
when I pointed this out people got angry - preconceptions too often trump reality in football (and here in particular)
Song was an excellent player with some flaws, we're badly missing him in these rare few games of poor form from Arteta

Oh Noes!! They didn't disagree with you, did they??! Oh my God, what were they thinking!!

Only a truly rosetinted or blinkered person could state Ramsey has been unduly criticised. The lad has been appalling. It's a real shame, but it is a fact.

I have to agree with this point.

I was delighted when we signed ramsey - he looked like he had real potential - I remember watching how he 'Bossed' the game for Wales against England from Mid-field - and I thought this lad is going to be such a good player for Arsenal, and sadly his injury seems to have not just stopped his progress, but taken away not only the confidence he had (which is probably natural), but he has lost what pace he did have, his passing is erratic, his positional sense is out of the window, and he really does Kill counter-attacks....The times he has been in a mid-field defensive position and given the ball away or lost it through being slow and static and thus providing the opposition with goal scoring opportunities (like the one against Everton the other night) - is all too regular an occurrence.
Also when he has been part of a forward line - in or near the oppositions penalty area - he either picks a bad pass or the wrong player OR tries one of those flicks - which have NEVER come off......is simply undermining not only his own game, but the teams as well.

Yes, it is a sad, sad shame he has turned out like this, but until he gets through this - if he ever will - then Wenger should put him out on loan - until he either does regain his form or till even Wenker realises - it is not going to happen.

Signing Ramsey was a good decision by Wenger, and he cannot be held responsible for that thug *word censored* shawcross breaking Ramsey's leg & ankle - BUT, Wenger DOES have to take responsibility for the situation NOW.

You can't really blame ramsey he's a young lad who loves the game and the club and he's trying his best - he runs his heart out (slowly) but, at this juncture in his career he simply is not god enough. Whereas Cocquelin is straining at the leash - AND he needs games before he goes off the boil.

Yet again, this is another example of Wenger mis-managing players and the team.

[DB10GOONER]

Rambo has been mostly poor, but on days where he's OK/others play worse than him
and it's laid at his door he's just a scapegoathe was excellent off the bench (briefly 10/15 mins I think) v Montpellier
when I pointed this out people got angry - preconceptions too often trump reality in football (and here in particular)
Song was an excellent player with some flaws, we're badly missing him in these rare few games of poor form from Arteta

Oh Noes!! They didn't disagree with you, did they??! Oh my God, what were they thinking!!

Only a truly rosetinted or blinkered person could state Ramsey has been unduly criticised. The lad has been appalling. It's a real shame, but it is a fact.

I have to agree with this point.

I was delighted when we signed ramsey - he looked like he had real potential - I remember watching how he 'Bossed' the game for Wales against England from Mid-field - and I thought this lad is going to be such a good player for Arsenal, and sadly his injury seems to have not just stopped his progress, but taken away not only the confidence he had (which is probably natural), but he has lost what pace he did have, his passing is erratic, his positional sense is out of the window, and he really does Kill counter-attacks....The times he has been in a mid-field defensive position and given the ball away or lost it through being slow and static and thus providing the opposition with goal scoring opportunities (like the one against Everton the other night) - is all too regular an occurrence.
Also when he has been part of a forward line - in or near the oppositions penalty area - he either picks a bad pass or the wrong player OR tries one of those flicks - which have NEVER come off......is simply undermining not only his own game, but the teams as well.

Yes, it is a sad, sad shame he has turned out like this, but until he gets through this - if he ever will - then Wenger should put him out on loan - until he either does regain his form or till even Wenker realises - it is not going to happen.

Signing Ramsey was a good decision by Wenger, and he cannot be held responsible for that thug *word censored* shawcross breaking Ramsey's leg & ankle - BUT, Wenger DOES have to take responsibility for the situation NOW.

You can't really blame ramsey he's a young lad who loves the game and the club and he's trying his best - he runs his heart out (slowly) but, at this juncture in his career he simply is not god enough. Whereas Cocquelin is straining at the leash - AND he needs games before he goes off the boil.

Yet again, this is another example of Wenger mis-managing players and the team.

Brilliant post. Sums it up perfectly.

[highburyJD]

Rambo was good v Montpellier
I think criticising players for games in which they're good is undue
thats all
sounds a bit like like you're wilfully misunderstanding... er cherrypicking arguments

mate youre cherry picking again in stating Ramsey was good - without mentioning it was for 10 minutes and the rest of time he's been poor, its a prime example. This is exactly cherry picking which is the only thing youve got as its so difficult to defend Wenger these days

we aren't doing so well right now
but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger
he needs a big winter in the market and on the pitch

but 13 years through CL groups is not cherrypicking
always top 4 in the league is not cherry picking

That's all you've got. So if someone makes a point about say Ramsey being shit you cherry pick his 10 minute cameo and say its unfair to criticise blatantly forgetting (cherry picking) his poor couple of seasons. Its exactly what you do!!

Dude, that's the opposite of what happened.
I said Rambos cameo was good, that's all

[TeeCee]

but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger

Amazing? With the resources at his disposal?? That is a hilarious statement. Spending over £110m a year on wages we should be challenging for the title every season. Wenger's dead wood collection is second to none and we are stuck with it and it's all down to him.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger

Amazing? With the resources at his disposal?? That is a hilarious statement. Spending over £110m a year on wages we should be challenging for the title every season. Wenger's dead wood collection is second to none and we are stuck with it and it's all down to him.

In fairness though half of that is wengers wages alone so we do ok really

[supergeorgegraham]

Ramsey is shocking beyond belief. Everything he does ends in the ball being lost in dangerous positions and they enemy getting a breakaway or stopping a great chance for us.
As much as my relationship with Arsenal is at an all time low I do love the midfield of Wilshere, Arteta and Cazorla. I have nothing but praise for those guys.
Ox form is currently poor but he is young and learning so he will become good. Podolski is slow on the wing and does not do much in that position. Ramsey on the wing is just a waste of a space.
Giroud is doing ok but when we lose the pace of Walcott this formation does not work.
We always had pace and pretty soon we wont have any.
Still want Wenger out now I have had enough.

[northbank123]

It's a real pity about Ramsey, every Gooner wanted him to succeed, even more so after that thug shattered his leg. Personally I was more desperate for him to do well than most as he's from just up the road and the same age as me.

But there's no room for sentiment at this level and it's clear he's not up to the standard even as a squad player. It's not doing anybody any good giving him game time. It doesn't matter whether or not it's just a natural lack of ability or completely down to Shawcunt, we need to let him go.

[highburyJD]

but over the last 13 years our record is amazing - created by and sustained by Wenger

Amazing? With the resources at his disposal?? That is a hilarious statement. Spending over £110m a year on wages we should be challenging for the title every season. Wenger's dead wood collection is second to none and we are stuck with it and it's all down to him.

why?
Liverpool spend £10M more,
ManUre £30M more,
ManShitty £50M more
Chelski £75M more

on a pure wage bill basis we should be 5th
And actually our wage bill is unrepresentative, we've chosen to carry a disproportionately high wage bill
and serviced it through player sales.

[northbank123]

The only way the wage bill is not representative is that our squad isn't representative of one that justifies such a huge outlay.

[flash gunner]

He HAS to go!! NOW