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Not sure this should even go before a UK court as it seems impartiality may not be possible. As i said previously it is a really bad precedence to set in circumstances like this where the judiciary can over-rule the sitting Prime Minister on a vote given to the people. It opens up far too many questions on where the judiciary stands in relation to the government.

What's next? Someone disagrees with a bill parliament is trying to pass so it gets taken to court and delayed, then appealed a few times no matter the decision and drags out for years and years. Potentially certain types of decision taken by government could end up tied up in years of legal wrangling in the courts causing massive delays, massive legal costs and yet more budget over-runs again and again, as future examples HS2 or Heathrows 3rd runway spring to mind but i bet that there are others, even down to local government trying to build new roads, housing estates basically anything that someone disagrees with that a lawyer can find a loophole on and use this precedence.

Government should never have a completely free hand however i do feel that this is a slippery slope to start down and i definitely don't see this singular case being the last of it now precedence has been set.

I hope i'm wrong but lawyers being lawyers i'm not convinced

GoonerMuzz wrote:Not sure this should even go before a UK court as it seems impartiality may not be possible. As i said previously it is a really bad precedence to set in circumstances like this where the judiciary can over-rule the sitting Prime Minister on a vote given to the people. It opens up far too many questions on where the judiciary stands in relation to the government.

What's next? Someone disagrees with a bill parliament is trying to pass so it gets taken to court and delayed, then appealed a few times no matter the decision and drags out for years and years. Potentially certain types of decision taken by government could end up tied up in years of legal wrangling in the courts causing massive delays, massive legal costs and yet more budget over-runs again and again, as future examples HS2 or Heathrows 3rd runway spring to mind but i bet that there are others, even down to local government trying to build new roads, housing estates basically anything that someone disagrees with that a lawyer can find a loophole on and use this precedence.

Government should never have a completely free hand however i do feel that this is a slippery slope to start down and i definitely don't see this singular case being the last of it now precedence has been set.

I hope i'm wrong but lawyers being utter fucking scumbags i'm not convinced

Just one minor correction there, mate!

DB10GOONER wrote:

GoonerMuzz wrote:Not sure this should even go before a UK court as it seems impartiality may not be possible. As i said previously it is a really bad precedence to set in circumstances like this where the judiciary can over-rule the sitting Prime Minister on a vote given to the people. It opens up far too many questions on where the judiciary stands in relation to the government.

What's next? Someone disagrees with a bill parliament is trying to pass so it gets taken to court and delayed, then appealed a few times no matter the decision and drags out for years and years. Potentially certain types of decision taken by government could end up tied up in years of legal wrangling in the courts causing massive delays, massive legal costs and yet more budget over-runs again and again, as future examples HS2 or Heathrows 3rd runway spring to mind but i bet that there are others, even down to local government trying to build new roads, housing estates basically anything that someone disagrees with that a lawyer can find a loophole on and use this precedence.

Government should never have a completely free hand however i do feel that this is a slippery slope to start down and i definitely don't see this singular case being the last of it now precedence has been set.

I hope i'm wrong but lawyers being utter fucking scumbags i'm not convinced

Just one minor correction there, mate!

My Mum brought me up to be polite to everyone... even Lawyers, Bankers and Politicians

Theresa May has asked Mauricio Pochettino to lead Brexit negotiations as he's managed to get Spurs out of Europe in just 2 months.

Gunner Rob wrote:Theresa May has asked Mauricio Pochettino to lead Brexit negotiations as he's managed to get Spurs out of Europe in just 2 months.

how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Lovely terminology

Anyway we've moved on Rob the referendum is old news. We are now thinking about if Stevie Wonders

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

So anyone whose view differs from yours is a retard? That opinion tells us more about you than any one of them.

Red Snapper wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

So anyone whose view differs from yours is a retard? That opinion tells us more about you than any one of them.

Damn and i though it was only £68B, i've been fooled into thinking that Brexit wouldn't cause us any economic issues whilst it was being carried out and after until things had settled to equilibrium, more fool me

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Oh look. Another useless think tank has come up with a ridiculous figure. Based on ridiculous assumptions. Der.

I'd love to know how many of these useless think tanks there are. And how they get their funding. They invariably get their forecasts wrong. Waste of space.

Remoaners swallow this utter rubbish because they actually want to believe it. Eat shit suckers

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Oh look. Another useless think tank has come up with a ridiculous figure. Based on ridiculous assumptions. Der.

I'd love to know how many of these useless think tanks there are. And how they get their funding. They invariably get their forecasts wrong. Waste of space.

Remoaners swallow this utter rubbish because they actually want to believe it. Eat shit suckers

Give me some positive news on Brexit and I will shut up....trouble is there isn't any positive spin you can put on Brexit.

UK - the first country to vote for itself to get poorer

Gunner Rob wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Oh look. Another useless think tank has come up with a ridiculous figure. Based on ridiculous assumptions. Der.

I'd love to know how many of these useless think tanks there are. And how they get their funding. They invariably get their forecasts wrong. Waste of space.

Remoaners swallow this utter rubbish because they actually want to believe it. Eat shit suckers

Give me some positive news on Brexit and I will shut up....trouble is there isn't any positive spin you can put on Brexit.

UK - the first country to vote for itself to get poorer

Loads of positives about Brexit. No spin required. I hate political spin. You can't possibly prove that the UK will be poorer outside the EU. I think we will be far better off outside the EU. I can't prove that, either.

You want "positive news on Brexit"? How about the UK gets to govern itself? How's that for a really radical idea?

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Oh look. Another useless think tank has come up with a ridiculous figure. Based on ridiculous assumptions. Der.

I'd love to know how many of these useless think tanks there are. And how they get their funding. They invariably get their forecasts wrong. Waste of space.

Remoaners swallow this utter rubbish because they actually want to believe it. Eat shit suckers

Give me some positive news on Brexit and I will shut up....trouble is there isn't any positive spin you can put on Brexit.

UK - the first country to vote for itself to get poorer

Loads of positives about Brexit. No spin required. I hate political spin. You can't possibly prove that the UK will be poorer outside the EU. I think we will be far better off outside the EU. I can't prove that, either.

You want "positive news on Brexit"? How about the UK gets to govern itself? How's that for a really radical idea?

There is so much evidence stacking up all pointing to the problems that Brexit is going to bring that you would have to be a fool to ignore all of it.

As for governing ourselves, yes sure I am all for that. It's what we do now, and because we are a major economy we have a huge say in the EU, of which we are a member.

Imagine leaving the EU though and trying to make our own way in the world. Then we would become far less important and our neighbours would all be members of a huge trading area, and would be dictating terms to us.

Gunner Rob wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:how are the Brexit retards feeling about that £122 BILLION black hole today then ?

Oh look. Another useless think tank has come up with a ridiculous figure. Based on ridiculous assumptions. Der.

I'd love to know how many of these useless think tanks there are. And how they get their funding. They invariably get their forecasts wrong. Waste of space.

Remoaners swallow this utter rubbish because they actually want to believe it. Eat shit suckers

Give me some positive news on Brexit and I will shut up....trouble is there isn't any positive spin you can put on Brexit.

UK - the first country to vote for itself to get poorer

Loads of positives about Brexit. No spin required. I hate political spin. You can't possibly prove that the UK will be poorer outside the EU. I think we will be far better off outside the EU. I can't prove that, either.

You want "positive news on Brexit"? How about the UK gets to govern itself? How's that for a really radical idea?

There is so much evidence stacking up all pointing to the problems that Brexit is going to bring that you would have to be a fool to ignore all of it.

As for governing ourselves, yes sure I am all for that. It's what we do now, and because we are a major economy we have a huge say in the EU, of which we are a member.

Imagine leaving the EU though and trying to make our own way in the world. Then we would become far less important and our neighbours would all be members of a huge trading area, and would be dictating terms to us.

Rob, this "evidence" of which you speak is a pure opinion. Why consider me a fool if I don't accept these opinions? I have a brain in my head. I weigh up facts and opinions before I arrive at my own personal beliefs.

We "made our own way in the world" before the EU existed. Do not presume that we would become "far less important " outside it. Also the EU will NOT dictate terms. The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU. We are in the drivers seat if it comes to punitive trade tariffs.

The EU, in its current form, is anti democratic and, quite frankly, corrupt.

Here's an analogy........FIFA started off with high ideals and goodwill to all footballing nations. We ended up with Sepp Blatter. I see certain similarities. Especially when I look at the ex prime minister of Luxembourg.

Rob please read this document and then tell me exactly why remaining in the EU is such a good idea!

https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publica ... y-union_en

We'd be tying ourselves to the Euro, we'd be agreeing to give up more powers to Europe including taxation, we'd be agreeing to help realise an EMF which would mean putting a significant part our countries earnings in the hands of the ECB, i'm sorry but with the state of Europe economically and politically at the moment it would be tantamount to suicide by degrees.

We'd be at the mercy of every single weak economy in the Eurozone and effectively France, Germany and ourselves would be responsible for anything that went wrong including propping up and bailing out any economy within the EU which collapsed or failed completely with all the inherent dangers to our own economies.

Over and above that we have another 4 nations looking to accede to the EU all of which have vastly inferior economies which would also need to be propped up and guaranteed against disaster, now i don't know about you but i find it frightening that 3 strong economies are expected to be able to ensure the safety of 25 weaker ones as it currently stands what they are proposing to have in place by 2025 is way beyond common sense or sanity.

A Free trade or purely trading union i would have happily voted to remain in but not a federal state of Europe which is what is planned eventually, it is almost 240 years since the US began its journey to where it is now and they still can't get it right, but Europeans who only stopped killing each other on a large scale less than 20 years ago ago think they can achieve it in less than 60, keep dreaming