The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[DB10GOONER]

We "made our own way in the world" before the EU existed. Do not presume that we would become "far less important " outside it. Also the EU will NOT dictate terms. The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU. We are in the drivers seat if it comes to punitive trade tariffs.

The EU, in its current form, is anti democratic and, quite frankly, corrupt.

Two things olgit old chap;

1. You made your way by invading a lot of countries and committing genocide all over the world and shit.

2. So is your government. All governments, for that matter. And all politicians.

[Wilson]

Looks like the EU are not bluffing and wont allow free access to the single market. Absolute disaster for the British economy. Germany, Holland and France make up over 20% of British exports, whilst the USA makes up 15% of exports, and Trump in the USA is looking to renegotiate trade deals that are not advantageous to the USA. Also, I wonder how many other EU nations account for the remaining 65% of exports.

If Britain cant sell freely into the EU single market, its going to cause a massive drain of wealth, increase unemployment, and perhaps we may see negative interest rates.

Whats Nigel got planned - a speaking tour across the Unites States, aiming to make over 1m in speaking fees in 20 different American cities.

So while Britain faces an uncertain, if not bleak future, Farage if off cashing in on his political win and sipping martini's in Trump Tower in downtown Manhatton, or knocking down Budweiser's on Malibu Beach. Now sorry, but Farage should be sticking around trying to make it work. He cant just declare victory and ride of into the sunset. Brexit isnt a win, unless it proves to be the right decision in time. If Britain sinks into recession, whilst the EU does not - how is that a 'win'?

Farage is a political lightweight, a loud mouth bully with no vision. Now wonder he gets on so well with Trump. Off cashing in, whilst the future is still unclear.

[olgitgooner]

We "made our own way in the world" before the EU existed. Do not presume that we would become "far less important " outside it. Also the EU will NOT dictate terms. The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU. We are in the drivers seat if it comes to punitive trade tariffs.

The EU, in its current form, is anti democratic and, quite frankly, corrupt.

Two things olgit old chap;

1. You made your way by invading a lot of countries and committing genocide all over the world and shit.

2. So is your government. All governments, for that matter. And all politicians.

I accept the above points

However the EU leadership are worse than elected politicians. The arrogant bastards don't have to worry about having their arses voted out of a job.

[olgitgooner]

Looks like the EU are not bluffing and wont allow free access to the single market. Absolute disaster for the British economy. Germany, Holland and France make up over 20% of British exports, whilst the USA makes up 15% of exports, and Trump in the USA is looking to renegotiate trade deals that are not advantageous to the USA. Also, I wonder how many other EU nations account for the remaining 65% of exports.

If Britain cant sell freely into the EU single market, its going to cause a massive drain of wealth, increase unemployment, and perhaps we may see negative interest rates.

Whats Nigel got planned - a speaking tour across the Unites States, aiming to make over 1m in speaking fees in 20 different American cities.

So while Britain faces an uncertain, if not bleak future, Farage if off cashing in on his political win and sipping martini's in Trump Tower in downtown Manhatton, or knocking down Budweiser's on Malibu Beach. Now sorry, but Farage should be sticking around trying to make it work. He cant just declare victory and ride of into the sunset. Brexit isnt a win, unless it proves to be the right decision in time. If Britain sinks into recession, whilst the EU does not - how is that a 'win'?

Farage is a political lightweight, a loud mouth bully with no vision. Now wonder he gets on so well with Trump. Off cashing in, whilst the future is still unclear.

I really don't understand all this doom and gloom. I see a bright future. Not a bleak one. There will still be trade between the U.K. and the EU after Brexit. IF there is a tarrif war then the EU stand to lose a lot more than the UK. From an EU perspective it makes no sense not to maintain a good trading relationship.

The rant about Farage was funny

[nut flush gooner]

Looks like the EU are not bluffing and wont allow free access to the single market. Absolute disaster for the British economy. Germany, Holland and France make up over 20% of British exports, whilst the USA makes up 15% of exports, and Trump in the USA is looking to renegotiate trade deals that are not advantageous to the USA. Also, I wonder how many other EU nations account for the remaining 65% of exports.

If Britain cant sell freely into the EU single market, its going to cause a massive drain of wealth, increase unemployment, and perhaps we may see negative interest rates.

Whats Nigel got planned - a speaking tour across the Unites States, aiming to make over 1m in speaking fees in 20 different American cities.

So while Britain faces an uncertain, if not bleak future, Farage if off cashing in on his political win and sipping martini's in Trump Tower in downtown Manhatton, or knocking down Budweiser's on Malibu Beach. Now sorry, but Farage should be sticking around trying to make it work. He cant just declare victory and ride of into the sunset. Brexit isnt a win, unless it proves to be the right decision in time. If Britain sinks into recession, whilst the EU does not - how is that a 'win'?

Farage is a political lightweight, a loud mouth bully with no vision. Now wonder he gets on so well with Trump. Off cashing in, whilst the future is still unclear.

I really don't understand all this doom and gloom. I see a bright future. Not a bleak one. There will still be trade between the U.K. and the EU after Brexit. IF there is a tarrif war then the EU stand to lose a lot more than the UK. From an EU perspective it makes no sense not to maintain a good trading relationship.

The rant about Farage was funny

Why do you see a bright future? Because the impact of Brexit hasn't hit you in the pocket yet? For the first time in recent history, the younger generation are facing a bleaker future than their parents.

The OBR as part of the Autumn statement has said we will be £50bn+ worse off as a result of leaving the EU. What ever happened to the £350m a week we would save emblazoned on that famous battle bus.

When you get into a punch up with someone twice the size of yourself, you can throw the first blow but invariably you get knocked out. If there is a tariff war, we will suffer a lot more than the rest of the EU. Remember they have a trade free zone, and just because we aren't part of it you won't see the economies of Germany or France going to the wall. Yes we could give the Germans a bloody nose, but they would punch us back twice as hard.

Again this is an example of the arrogance of Britain thinking we are a global superpower, when leaving the EU has diminished our ranking in the world order with a lot of countries waiting to overtake us.

DB10's point about the British Empire is 100% spot on, but of course it doesn't count now that's history.

Farage and Trump are two of the biggest con men in the history of politics. The irony of them posing in Trumps gold lift whilst claiming they represent the working classes, you couldn't make it up.

[nut flush gooner]

Nutty you're like that boring drunk bloke at a party who wants to talk politics, you try to avoid him but corners you and you just disagree with everything he is saying plus he's telling you how much money he's got, his brilliant job and his share protfolio.... After trying he eventually wears you down and you have to agree with him just to get away....

Look back at the thread you haven't won a single argument (because so soon after the referendum there are no guarantees on either side) but you wear posters out and they just stop posting

One thing I never do is talk politics/economics/brexit at a party, you are right it is boring. But here it's great.......

It isn't an argument it's a debate, and I would like to think that I have highlighted the floors in some people's comments as I have done with your last few comments.

Did you mean "flaws"?

Just asking.

Blame Apple for that, was typing out my response on an iPad. I didn't know I had to spell check everything I type even if it gets auto corrected!

But seriously, sort the Modding out on this forum. You both act like a bunch of schoolkids, then get all defensive when someone questions what you say. I am all for banter, but it isn't a switch you can turn on and off to suit yourself.

Are you trying to be funny? Talk about the pot and the kettle!!

If you have a complaint about the modding, make it to the owner Mike or GoonerEd because tbh I don't give much of a fuck if you like us or not. If you want a forum with non-member mods then I suggest you try out a few forums that use that format and see how long you, in particular, last, seeing as you cannot discuss anything with anyone without insulting them. Go on, give it a try.

Where did I say I wanted a forum with with non member mods? I think you totally got the wrong end of the stick. As for liking you or any other MOD is that a serious question lol!

How can you genuinely like or dislike someone who you have not met or really don't know. If you or anyone is using t'internet for basing your opinions on anyone else then I really worry.

As for me insulting people I am debating with, well go on ban me then. Ohh wait you haven't really got anything to back up your rant with.

[Herd]

The Brexit row goes one I see , nothing changes !

[DB10GOONER]

One thing I never do is talk politics/economics/brexit at a party, you are right it is boring. But here it's great.......

It isn't an argument it's a debate, and I would like to think that I have highlighted the floors in some people's comments as I have done with your last few comments.

Did you mean "flaws"?

Just asking.

Blame Apple for that, was typing out my response on an iPad. I didn't know I had to spell check everything I type even if it gets auto corrected!

But seriously, sort the Modding out on this forum. You both act like a bunch of schoolkids, then get all defensive when someone questions what you say. I am all for banter, but it isn't a switch you can turn on and off to suit yourself.

Are you trying to be funny? Talk about the pot and the kettle!!

If you have a complaint about the modding, make it to the owner Mike or GoonerEd because tbh I don't give much of a fuck if you like us or not. If you want a forum with non-member mods then I suggest you try out a few forums that use that format and see how long you, in particular, last, seeing as you cannot discuss anything with anyone without insulting them. Go on, give it a try.

Where did I say I wanted a forum with with non member mods? I think you totally got the wrong end of the stick. As for liking you or any other MOD is that a serious question lol!

How can you genuinely like or dislike someone who you have not met or really don't know. If you or anyone is using t'internet for basing your opinions on anyone else then I really worry.

As for me insulting people I am debating with, well go on ban me then. Ohh wait you haven't really got anything to back up your rant with.

I think only one of us is having a rant, and it ain't me. Why would I ban you? You insult other people on here and that devalues your entire argument, but you are not abusive so no rules are broken.

As for non-member mods - your statement implied you had a problem with the current modding. Well, there are only two options; mods that are posters and non-member mods. Mods that are posters tend to give other posters a bit of leeway with the rules, non-member mods tend to just ban people for the slightest infraction.

Honestly, and this is not meant as an insult, I get the feeling you are a very lonely person. You seem to just insult people that don't agree with you and start arguments where there is no need. Are you like this in the outside world?

You are obviously intelligent. Why it offends you to have people disagree with you is beyond me.

Anyway, chillax as the kids say. It's Friday!

[olgitgooner]

Looks like the EU are not bluffing and wont allow free access to the single market. Absolute disaster for the British economy. Germany, Holland and France make up over 20% of British exports, whilst the USA makes up 15% of exports, and Trump in the USA is looking to renegotiate trade deals that are not advantageous to the USA. Also, I wonder how many other EU nations account for the remaining 65% of exports.

If Britain cant sell freely into the EU single market, its going to cause a massive drain of wealth, increase unemployment, and perhaps we may see negative interest rates.

Whats Nigel got planned - a speaking tour across the Unites States, aiming to make over 1m in speaking fees in 20 different American cities.

So while Britain faces an uncertain, if not bleak future, Farage if off cashing in on his political win and sipping martini's in Trump Tower in downtown Manhatton, or knocking down Budweiser's on Malibu Beach. Now sorry, but Farage should be sticking around trying to make it work. He cant just declare victory and ride of into the sunset. Brexit isnt a win, unless it proves to be the right decision in time. If Britain sinks into recession, whilst the EU does not - how is that a 'win'?

Farage is a political lightweight, a loud mouth bully with no vision. Now wonder he gets on so well with Trump. Off cashing in, whilst the future is still unclear.

I really don't understand all this doom and gloom. I see a bright future. Not a bleak one. There will still be trade between the U.K. and the EU after Brexit. IF there is a tarrif war then the EU stand to lose a lot more than the UK. From an EU perspective it makes no sense not to maintain a good trading relationship.

The rant about Farage was funny

Why do you see a bright future? Because the impact of Brexit hasn't hit you in the pocket yet? For the first time in recent history, the younger generation are facing a bleaker future than their parents.

The OBR as part of the Autumn statement has said we will be £50bn+ worse off as a result of leaving the EU. What ever happened to the £350m a week we would save emblazoned on that famous battle bus.

When you get into a punch up with someone twice the size of yourself, you can throw the first blow but invariably you get knocked out. If there is a tariff war, we will suffer a lot more than the rest of the EU. Remember they have a trade free zone, and just because we aren't part of it you won't see the economies of Germany or France going to the wall. Yes we could give the Germans a bloody nose, but they would punch us back twice as hard.

Again this is an example of the arrogance of Britain thinking we are a global superpower, when leaving the EU has diminished our ranking in the world order with a lot of countries waiting to overtake us.

DB10's point about the British Empire is 100% spot on, but of course it doesn't count now that's history.

Farage and Trump are two of the biggest con men in the history of politics. The irony of them posing in Trumps gold lift whilst claiming they represent the working classes, you couldn't make it up.

Nutty it would be really nice to see you post something that isn't full of incorrect assumptions.

My optimism is not based on not being hit in the pocket. Wrong.

I don't believe The UK is a global superpower. So no arrogance there. Wrong.

OBR forecasts to be trusted? Wrong. Their April forecast (before we even had a referendum) was wildly out and has been thoroughly discredited. They are now admitting they could be absolutely wrong........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/736383 ... -Statement

Finally you are saying that the younger generation are facing a bleak future for the first time in ages. Where have you been for the past decade? Young people are having it much worse than their parents generation. Many are forced into expensive private renting. No long term security. No hope of buying their own property. THAT is bleak.

[A11M11]

If the prospects for our youth are to mirror those of the youths of Spain and Greece and Italy then with their youth unemployment figures .

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266 ... countries/

Not a bright outlook.

[northbank123]

Now Nigel Farage is far from a deity to me but it does amuse me that people who would clearly jump a mile at the idea of him having any official role in the running of this country then complain that he isn't doing his bit.

[GoonerMuzz]

We "made our own way in the world" before the EU existed. Do not presume that we would become "far less important " outside it. Also the EU will NOT dictate terms. The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU. We are in the drivers seat if it comes to punitive trade tariffs.

The EU, in its current form, is anti democratic and, quite frankly, corrupt.

Two things olgit old chap;

1. You made your way by invading a lot of countries and committing genocide all over the world and shit.

2. So is your government. All governments, for that matter. And all politicians.

You're still pissed about the whole potato thing aren't you

To be honest as a proud Brit i have no guilt or embarrassment over Empire or what was or wasn't done during it, simply put i wasn't there

I do believe that the government, the diplomatic corps and many institutions in Britain do have an un-reasoned guilt over past deeds and the people here are inadvertently made to suffer for it.

Unlike some I don't believe that we are a particularly powerful nation these days nor that we have any overt influence in Europe or worldwide, we've been deservedly snubbed too many times in recent years by our European colleagues to see it any other way. Britain's power and a good deal of her influence waned many years ago but there are still a lot of people who look on with rose tinted glasses believing we have more influence than we have.

A case in point being when 'callmedave' went off to get the better deal with Europe prior to the referendum vote, came back crowing about how much better things were going to be then promptly got put back in his box when he was told it would have to be ratified by the EU parliament and that they were not likely to do so, something which was quickly glossed over at the time.

Politicians, media and diplomats within the UK really need to take a long hard look at themselves because it is becoming embarrassing how often they get things wrong and the sheep who blindly follow them really need to get out more

[Wilson]

The whole premise of Brexit, was leaving, tet still maintaining access to the single market, even Farage made this point during the campaign. However, the EU knows it cannot allow Britain the best of both worlds - access to the single market, yet no freedom of movement, or even contribution to the cost of running the EU. Why would anyone think the EU would allow Britain to maintain the best aspects of EU membership, whilst not accepting all other principles?

There is no way, the EU will allow Britain access to the single market. The EU will look out for their own. Point and case, the UK car industry is already looking at a 10% tariff on exporting cars. So what does Britain do in response? Hit back with a 10% tariff on BMW's and Alpha Romeo's say the Farage fans. The difference is, Germany and Italy have the rest of the EU to sell freely to. Who does Britain sell its cars too, without a 10% trade barrier? Europe is right on the door step - shipping and transports costs are as minimal as they get. Farage was talking up a free trade deal with Australia the other day. So a country of 22m people on the other side of the world, is the alternative to region of 500m people right on Britain's door step.

As each month goes by, its becoming more and more apparent. Brexit is going to hurt the UK much more than Europe.

Farage is either blissfully ignorant of what he has done. Or is trying to cash in quickly before it comes apparent. Thats why he is in a mad dash to do a speaking tour in the USA. Wants to sell his stock whilst its hot.

Im convinced he and Trump will be villains in history books.

[olgitgooner]

The whole premise of Brexit, was leaving, tet still maintaining access to the single market, even Farage made this point during the campaign. However, the EU knows it cannot allow Britain the best of both worlds - access to the single market, yet no freedom of movement, or even contribution to the cost of running the EU. Why would anyone think the EU would allow Britain to maintain the best aspects of EU membership, whilst not accepting all other principles?

There is no way, the EU will allow Britain access to the single market. The EU will look out for their own. Point and case, the UK car industry is already looking at a 10% tariff on exporting cars. So what does Britain do in response? Hit back with a 10% tariff on BMW's and Alpha Romeo's say the Farage fans. The difference is, Germany and Italy have the rest of the EU to sell freely to. Who does Britain sell its cars too, without a 10% trade barrier? Europe is right on the door step - shipping and transports costs are as minimal as they get. Farage was talking up a free trade deal with Australia the other day. So a country of 22m people on the other side of the world, is the alternative to region of 500m people right on Britain's door step.

As each month goes by, its becoming more and more apparent. Brexit is going to hurt the UK much more than Europe.

Farage is either blissfully ignorant of what he has done. Or is trying to cash in quickly before it comes apparent. Thats why he is in a mad dash to do a speaking tour in the USA. Wants to sell his stock whilst its hot.

Im convinced he and Trump will be villains in history books.

No way is the UK going to get tariff-free access to the EU single market. But we don't need that. We just need a sensible trading arrangement which will be in the best interests of both parties. So minimal tariffs will suit everyone just fine. The EU hierarchy will save face. And business will continue much the same as usual. We have over two years to sort out a sensible deal. A lot can happen in two years. I have a feeling that the Sepp Blatter of EU politics will be deposed by this time.

You really need to get over Farage and move on.

[Wilson]

The whole premise of Brexit, was leaving, tet still maintaining access to the single market, even Farage made this point during the campaign. However, the EU knows it cannot allow Britain the best of both worlds - access to the single market, yet no freedom of movement, or even contribution to the cost of running the EU. Why would anyone think the EU would allow Britain to maintain the best aspects of EU membership, whilst not accepting all other principles?

There is no way, the EU will allow Britain access to the single market. The EU will look out for their own. Point and case, the UK car industry is already looking at a 10% tariff on exporting cars. So what does Britain do in response? Hit back with a 10% tariff on BMW's and Alpha Romeo's say the Farage fans. The difference is, Germany and Italy have the rest of the EU to sell freely to. Who does Britain sell its cars too, without a 10% trade barrier? Europe is right on the door step - shipping and transports costs are as minimal as they get. Farage was talking up a free trade deal with Australia the other day. So a country of 22m people on the other side of the world, is the alternative to region of 500m people right on Britain's door step.

As each month goes by, its becoming more and more apparent. Brexit is going to hurt the UK much more than Europe.

Farage is either blissfully ignorant of what he has done. Or is trying to cash in quickly before it comes apparent. Thats why he is in a mad dash to do a speaking tour in the USA. Wants to sell his stock whilst its hot.

Im convinced he and Trump will be villains in history books.

No way is the UK going to get tariff-free access to the EU single market. But we don't need that. We just need a sensible trading arrangement which will be in the best interests of both parties. So minimal tariffs will suit everyone just fine. The EU hierarchy will save face. And business will continue much the same as usual. We have over two years to sort out a sensible deal. A lot can happen in two years. I have a feeling that the Sepp Blatter of EU politics will be deposed by this time.

You really need to get over Farage and move on.

Minimal tariffs will not suit the EU. They need Britain to suffer to deter anymore would be exits. They can take the hit, whilst Britain cannot. Moreover, the EU can also diversify and realign trade with other EU nations.