The Gooner Forum

I'm pleased to see that Wilson and Nutflush at least appear to live in the real world.

The typical leaver seems to be under the impression that the EU is on the verge of collapse and will just bow down to our demands. In fact the EU is growing in strength following our moronic decision to leave. Why people can't understand that we need the EU far more than the EU needs us is beyond me.

i would rather trust former PMs, the majority of MPs in the House of Commons, majority of business, academics in higher education, and the NHS rather than Nigel Farage and his bunch of con men who would have us believe otherwise. Farage who will go down as the greatest coward and liar in British political history

This thread might make interesting reading if it gets bumped a few years down the line

Nutflush, Rob and Wilson not one of you has made any comment on the post i have made about the future direction of the EU and the concerns in raises.

I will repeat, please tell me exactly how it is advantageous for us along with Germany and France to be tied in not only economically but with taxation and a monetary fund to another 25 nations none of which are in a position to pay their way without considerable subsidies from the net contributors, not only this but there are currently 4 other nations looking to accede to the EU who also have limited economies and very little to provide the remainder of the EU.

We have seen a long worldwide recession which caused major economic issues to EU member states which the worst hit have still not recovered from, the problems within the Eurozone caused major economic problems to the next contributors within it and it took those countries longer to recover from the recession than we did yet you would have us remain in the EU which is looking to become economically closer including all member states having to adopt the Euro and also common taxation policies, i cannot see the advantage to us as a nation so please tell me what i am missing because obviously i have less understanding of fiscal and economic policy than you

And now politicians have been told to tone down there brexit rhetoric in case it offends the weak & feeble you couldn't make it up, there's people dropping in the streets of Finsbury Park and the police worry this may offend weak & feeble people so they shield our eyes ...

Gooner Muzz - going back to your previous post it looks like a "project fear" article, so I will dismiss it in the same way that you dismiss "project fear" articles from remainers. When has it ever been mentioned that the UK will be forced to use the Euro?? If we stayed in the EU we would have the influence to make sure that never happened. And as for Turkey joining the EU,this really wont happen for years, if not decades.

It does seem to me that many leavers are genuinely scared of the EU. I am not sure why. The uncertainty of the modern world, with the instability in the US, the increasingly aggressive Russia, the power of China and the craziness of North Korea, not to mention the meltdown in the middle east should make working closer with our continental neighbours a priority.

I am however not an EU fanatic, far from it. If I was asked to describe whether I was European or British I would say British every time. However the financial benefits in particular of being in the EU far outweigh those of leaving. It is becoming increasingly apparent that the leave campaign was based on LIES which will not happen, and the only people to benefit from us leaving are the top 1% in the country. The rest of us will be screwed.

Where is that £350 million a week for the NHS? The reality is that the NHS funding will now go DOWN because of all the Brexit costs involved.
I expect the NHS that we know today will not exist within 10 years.

Food costs will rise massively in 2017 due to the falling pound. And this is BEFORE we have even left the EU! The financial forecasts are so bad that we could well see poverty returning to the UK that we have not seen for decades.

Where are the benefits for leaving the EU?? I dont see any. Basically if we leave the single market then we face years of poverty, but maybe we might get rid of a few migrants (who ironically benefit our economy )

Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Rob the document i linked previously was on the European Unions website written by Jean-Claude Junker and 4 other highly placed members of the EU, ex-presidents included, therefore i cannot see how this is a project fear example?

It is a document written last year on the future direction of the EU, it's not some blog or conspiracy theory

You can stick your head in the sand all you want but some of us are actually able to go out and do our own research and not pass it off as project fear when it doesn't suit our own viewpoint

Ive said before i would have been more than happy to remain part of the EU if it had remained purely a trading agreement or single market but i am not happy to remain in the EU if the direction of travel is continued as they want. The benefits of remaining in the EU do not increase for us as the organisation gets larger, it costs more money to administer and the nations looking to accede will require a lot more funding and support.

I would much rather that the money generated by the UK economy is administered in the UK to the benefit of all those living in the UK first and foremost rather than a percentage being given to the EU, kept by the EU for a time and then some of it being given back and then for us to be told how we can spend bits of it.

Beyond that the current trend towards extreme nationalism in some European countries is coming about because the 'elites' of Europe are failing to understand where the problems within the EU and its member states lie and that includes us, staying in the institution of the EU with its limited understanding of the people of its 28 member states isn't going to help unless there is huge change at the top, again unfortunately this wont happen because the people at the top cannot see what is right under their own noses and do not want to lose power.

olgitgooner wrote:Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

Cake and Eat it details revealed ,deliberate plant to make it look like the Tories know what they are doing or another gaff from a bunch of losers ???????

Your decide

flash gunner wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

but its more than the EU growth in the same period

oh yeah and answer the question

FACTS

1. Sterling alreaady down 20% against the dollar

2. £65bn of UK investment on hold or stopped

3. Up to 30,000 extra civil servants will be required to implement Brexit

4. Hate crime already up 41%

5. Big business holding government to ransom - eg Nissan. Others to follow

6. UK payments to EU up by hundreds of millions - due to falling pound

7. Food prices up 12.5% (start stocking up on supplies now)

8. Inflation predicted to rise to 2.7%

Brexit is a complete shambles, for which there is NO plan and NO one knows which direction it will take apart from making the UK poorer.
Well done Brexiteers.

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

but its more than the EU growth in the same period

oh yeah and answer the question

flash I couldnt care less what the EU does or doesnt do.
I am more bothered about the growth prospects for the UK and they are ALL worse if we leave the EU.

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

olgitgooner wrote:Rob, I'm going to go all Paxman here......answer the bloody question!!

Seriously, you don't see any benefits in leaving the EU (obviously we disagree) but you have not answered Muzz's question. You side stepped it.

Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

but its more than the EU growth in the same period

oh yeah and answer the question

flash I couldnt care less what the EU does or doesnt do.
I am more bothered about the growth prospects for the UK and they are ALL worse if we leave the EU.

erm........



and answer the f***ing question

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:
Answer the question Rob




and something else to cheer you up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ecade.html

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

but its more than the EU growth in the same period

oh yeah and answer the question

flash I couldnt care less what the EU does or doesnt do.
I am more bothered about the growth prospects for the UK and they are ALL worse if we leave the EU.

erm........

I probably should have put "rest of the EU" as of course we have not left yet.

and answer the f***ing question

here are 12 answers to that question

http://www.proeuropa.org.uk/twelevereasons