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Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

Gunner Rob wrote:

flash - you are being brainwashed.

this article is talking about a growth rate of just 1.2% for the UK next year.
that is about half of what was estimated pre June 23rd.

but its more than the EU growth in the same period

oh yeah and answer the question

flash I couldnt care less what the EU does or doesnt do.
I am more bothered about the growth prospects for the UK and they are ALL worse if we leave the EU.

erm........

I probably should have put "rest of the EU" as of course we have not left yet.

and answer the f***ing question

here are 12 answers to that question

http://www.proeuropa.org.uk/twelevereasons

I think the idea of a forum is to get your ideas and opinions not someone elses answer the question Rob and dont copy and paste out of that link

I have given enough reasons on here why Brexit is a bad idea.

basically I think the leavers are scared of the EU, but they don't understand the power and influence we have by being in it.
there will be no hard or soft brexit. Brexit means Brexit, the vote was to leave the EU and therefore the single market.

once outside of the EU, what exactly does the UK offer the world in the 21st century that makes it believe it can be a major player on the world stage?
reality will start to dawn on the country about a year after leaving the EU. however this of course could still be several years away.

anyway the consequences are going to be that the UK is more divided, poorer and more insular.
but at least we took back control, whatever that means

Scared ? Don't think so , more fed up with the way it channels the money we give it. Fed up with the policies which have seen many of our staple industries ,like fishing and agriculture decimated.
The single market does have advantages on goods we buy from Europe such as Cars , white goods , T V's etc but from a food point of view it adds about 8% to your weekly shop. Plus the onslaught of Chinese and Indian goods all surcharged . Which means that if your buying a £ 30 grand euro car you will pay more but a bunch of grapes , Cape Oranges, Sri Lankan Bananas and coffee , tea etc will be cheaper.
The U.K has a major voice in Nato and less influence in the E.U where we appear to get less of our own way as the federalists stitch us up time and time again.
Our armed forces are highly respected throughout , this isd wqhy Juncker is running headlong into an Euro army and the cost that will incur.
Some people will possibly be poorer if they live a consumer life but the majority will probably remain about the same , but I agree the division between the haves and have nots will still be there.

Gunner Rob wrote:FACTS

1. Sterling alreaady down 20% against the dollar

2. £65bn of UK investment on hold or stopped

3. Up to 30,000 extra civil servants will be required to implement Brexit

4. Hate crime already up 41%

5. Big business holding government to ransom - eg Nissan. Others to follow

6. UK payments to EU up by hundreds of millions - due to falling pound

7. Food prices up 12.5% (start stocking up on supplies now)

8. Inflation predicted to rise to 2.7%

Brexit is a complete shambles, for which there is NO plan and NO one knows which direction it will take apart from making the UK poorer.
Well done Brexiteers.

Rob, it seems to me that you believe everything you read if it suits your doom laden outlook.

From your list, for example, number two is complete bollocks (as I have already demonstrated).

Also, the idea of an extra 30,000 civil servants is laughable. Yet you are presenting this idiotic idea as fact.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. So are Brexiteers. I'd just like to point out that opinions are just opinions until such time as they are proven by facts.

Prior to the referendum, Project Fear was telling us that a Leave result would put us into an immediate recession and that there would be an immediate loss of 200,000 jobs. The Project is apparently alive and well, and is still spouting total bollocks.

Facts ????
1 Pound is today at 1.25 it was on June 22nd 1.47 thats 15%
2Nobody knows for sure , it's an estimate
3 Already been discredited and even should the civil service be supplemented it will be purely temporary .
4 Reported hate crime up 41 % possibly .
5 Subsidies , taxbreaks ................nothing new there.
6 Best stop paying as quickly as possible then.
7 discussed the 8% surcharge as The EU applies a range of tariffs to agricultural products coming from outside countries.
8 Inflation may go up ,ju st as it has and then gone down throughout history.

Brexit may well be a mess mainly because nobody in power thought it would happen and consequently as we are still run effectively by the same people they were not prepared to face the majorities democratic decision They could of course expedite things and get out now and then by fait acomplis have to concentrate on making it work.

Interesting point on the 'definitely not happening' Euro army, not sure how the EU is going to manage to fund it when the EU states currently in Nato, barring us and the Yanks, can't meet their defence spending obligations

Would also like to know exactly who we would ask permission from if we needed to use the damn thing in a hurry, and how many committees, councils and parliaments would have to approve before it was deployed.

Would our own Military be superseded?

Would Nato be dissolved and new organisation implemented?

Who's going to pay for it all?

Will our Nato allies outside the EU accept it?

What of national obligations outside of NATO and EU interests?

Who decides how it's going to be equipped and trained, where it's stationed, CoC, interaction with the directing intelligence services etc etc

The thought of a Euro army scares me more than most things, we struggle to get on during NATO exercises, christ our own Regiments spend as much time fighting with each other as anything else when they are bored, now try throwing together soldiers from 27 countries into the same command structure who have been fighting each other for generations and still have battle honours celebrating kicking the shit out of each other for well over 400 years and see what happens

A11M11 wrote:Scared ? Don't think so , more fed up with the way it channels the money we give it. Fed up with the policies which have seen many of our staple industries ,like fishing and agriculture decimated.
The single market does have advantages on goods we buy from Europe such as Cars , white goods , T V's etc but from a food point of view it adds about 8% to your weekly shop. Plus the onslaught of Chinese and Indian goods all surcharged . Which means that if your buying a £ 30 grand euro car you will pay more but a bunch of grapes , Cape Oranges, Sri Lankan Bananas and coffee , tea etc will be cheaper.
The U.K has a major voice in Nato and less influence in the E.U where we appear to get less of our own way as the federalists stitch us up time and time again.
Our armed forces are highly respected throughout , this isd wqhy Juncker is running headlong into an Euro army and the cost that will incur.
Some people will possibly be poorer if they live a consumer life but the majority will probably remain about the same , but I agree the division between the haves and have nots will still be there.

UK industries have been decimated by UK PLC for as long as it's been politcally expedient to do so. If the UK has ceded power to the EU there has always been a pay back. If the UK has bent over for the US, it's because they think they they get something in return.

I think it's great in these time of enormous pessisim that you and other are very optmistic about an EU-less future. I think it's grossly misplaced.

Time will tell, but we are in a position where the vote has been taken and the die is cast, It should be in everyone's interest to get behind it and make it a success. Every time one of the remain camp tries to distabilise the process they strengthen the E.U's hand. I really do believe that the ones that are scared are the ones that can't see past the membership and I also believe that in it's present form the E.U will not last. Just possibly it will be a messy and very expensive time when it either collapses or tries internal reform as the pragmatist vie against the federalists that currently have steered the organisation down the wrong path for their own political ideals.

the EU is actually growing in strength

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... f#comments

of course in brainwashed Britain you wont hear any of this

Anyone else thing we're going round in circles here

Time to lock?

Gunner Rob wrote:the EU is actually growing in strength

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... f#comments

of course in brainwashed Britain you wont hear any of this

Well this confirms that you ARE prepared to swallow any old guff which fits in with your opinion

It's total journalistic drivel. It's all think tank and opinion poll reportage. The EU is not getting stronger at all Is unemployment going down in the EU (excluding the U.K. from the equation)? Is the Euro performing well against the dollar? Are there any real facts that you can offer to support your claim? Is it just possible your "brainwashed Britain" remark would be better directed at rabid Remainers?

Hey Rob.......if you really want to put your faith in opinion polls then here is another one for you........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/738 ... g-brussels

Do our Irish brethren know if there is any truth to this or is it just more unsubstantiated rumours in the media, i know it's an old article but it's funny what turns up these days?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/728 ... c.outbrain

(The EU contributions bit not the Irexit rubbish)

GoonerMuzz wrote:Do our Irish brethren know if there is any truth to this or is it just more unsubstantiated rumours in the media, i know it's an old article but it's funny what turns up these days?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/728 ... c.outbrain

(The EU contributions bit not the Irexit rubbish)

Hysterical shite from a well known Euro skeptic. Most pertinent bit is;

"Cllr Charity, who is an independent councillor as well as a practicing barrister"

A liar so...

Oh look, another think tank changes its mind and also predicts the U.K. will outperform the Eurozone over the next ten years.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2286418/u ... -predicts/

Think tanks, opinion polls and forecasts ain't worth a *****.