THE WENGER THREAD
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It's a strange and enjoyable thing to see someone who is still loyal to Wenger and what he's previously done for the club suddenly realise he's been had.
I was talking to a mate at work today who has always had a great deal of respect for Wenger and although i would not say he is an AKB he has never really criticised him beyond the occasional 'I sometimes worry about what he thinks he's doing' type comment.
Today we were discussing the comments AW made from earlier in the week about the fans getting behind the club and being loyal supporters. I'll be honest i was on my usual anti-Wenger soap box saying what a deceitful, ignorant, condescending
AW is and my mate couldn't really see where my ire was coming from. So i asked him to read the comments more carefully again and i'll be honest it was quite funny to watch as realisation dawned on the actual context of what AW had said.
I think a lot more people are beginning to get past their idol worship of the man and are seeing him for exactly what he is.
Unfortunately i'm not so sure that it will make any difference, dissent at the bowl seems to be stamped on very hard these days and our travelling support is not going to be able to generate the required discontent on their own.
Sometimes i think i feel the winds of changing starting to very gently blow and then suddenly i realise it was just AW farting in our general direction
I was talking to a mate at work today who has always had a great deal of respect for Wenger and although i would not say he is an AKB he has never really criticised him beyond the occasional 'I sometimes worry about what he thinks he's doing' type comment.
Today we were discussing the comments AW made from earlier in the week about the fans getting behind the club and being loyal supporters. I'll be honest i was on my usual anti-Wenger soap box saying what a deceitful, ignorant, condescending
AW is and my mate couldn't really see where my ire was coming from. So i asked him to read the comments more carefully again and i'll be honest it was quite funny to watch as realisation dawned on the actual context of what AW had said.I think a lot more people are beginning to get past their idol worship of the man and are seeing him for exactly what he is.
Unfortunately i'm not so sure that it will make any difference, dissent at the bowl seems to be stamped on very hard these days and our travelling support is not going to be able to generate the required discontent on their own.
Sometimes i think i feel the winds of changing starting to very gently blow and then suddenly i realise it was just AW farting in our general direction
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Man I hate it when people lift comments from other sites and pass them off as their own. That was almost entirely ripped off (the original was longer) from this site - http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/ars ... l#commentspostmanPat91 wrote:
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/tra ... _HP_RI_1_1
Absolutely legendary comment:
I’m tired of hearing so called fans/misinformed football fans defending Wenger. You just need to go back 2008/09 and you realise we’ve been hearing the same lies just in a different format each season.
Wenger knew about Welbeck’s injury but revealed the full truth after the window shut. He did this a few years ago with Vermaelen and his achilles,claiming he "would be back soon"... only admitting he needed surgery once the window had shut.
He's lied to fans so many times it's untrue. Example, claiming he'd suffered in the CL by "prioritising the FA Cup". Ignoring the fact that Arsenal regularly fielded rubbish teams that were humbled by Stoke and Blackburn etc. Or how about claiming Podolski was not bought as an RVP replacement when he knew all along a deal had been already struck with Fergie? How about his promise he wouldn't sell Nasri and Cesc in the same summer then selling both within weeks of each other?
Last year on deadline day, he buggered off to Rome. This year, he jaunts off to Paris when he should be breaking his back to bring in these elusive “Exceptional Players” and earn his 8million a year salary.
Fact is, Wenger is in bed with Kroenke. He always has been and this has been abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain. Lets take Wenger’s shares in the club, do you think he wants to affect their value for when he decides to depart? I'm near 99.9% certain he is getting bonuses for not signing players.. For years the AKB claimed "Kroenke is withholding funds" despite clear evidence the wage bill was enormous and getting bigger each year (Bendtner, Eboue, Grimandi, Denilson etc etc ring any bells).
Years of failure were dressed up as being "the board's fault" even though Wenger was getting his a**e handed to him in the CL by PSV, Valencia, Deportivo... much poorer teams. The problem for the AKB now is that, with those huge financial commercial deals, the property developments, the huge TV deal, allied to Arsenal's match day revenue AND CL TV cash, they've now run out of excuses…What now AKB’s?
Whereas before Wenger's excuse was he couldn't compete money-wise, the excuse has changed to "I've got loads of money but there's no players". PLEASE!? How can you believe this?
How did treble-winning Barca find new players? If the highly paid scouts genuinely can't find better than rubbish like Giroud and Walcott, then sack the lot of them, as I've seen better players in The Championship. The minute Wenger gave Giroud £130k a week (!) and Wally £140k you just knew that was it, nobody was coming. Come on you Giroud lovers, even his own country's fans boo this guy.
What's funny is that Wenger has been taking the mick out of Arsenal FC for years, using it as his own personal failed experiment. Project youth, then the massive wages to garbage like Eboue and Almunia, then the obsession with becoming Barca-lite, then Yaya Sanogo, and now his latest joke: signing nobody at all!
His arrogance knows no bounds and Gary Neville was spot on. Problem always was, after Jose very intentionally baited him by mentioning how much Wenger spends - a deliberate ploy made to force the imbecile Wenger into proving a point by spending nothing - he was always going to try and prove a point.Sadly, it's the same point he's been failing to prove these past 11 years by failing to compete for the PL. All of a sudden, the FA Cup, a competition Wenger devalued by claiming 4th place was a bigger achievement…
Stan Kroenke is a billionaire too. Arsenal are loaded. Yet, as our moronic fans boast about making a soulless distant billionaire richer, through his scamming of their stupidity; on the pitch the club is a laughing stock. Going into a new season with just one recognised striker - the French donkey who couldn't hit a barn door. Record cash in the bank but holes everywhere. Being charged the highest ticket prices in Europe, but spending less than Burnley and Getafe on players. A manager riling about the excesses of football but picking 8milliona year for £140,000 p/w himself. Being proud about all that cash in the bank,but the club not reducing prices nothing short of disgusting…
I’m glad I’ve finally woken up to the fraudulent manner in which our club is run, the question when will you….
If you look for Raskolnikov, you will see the original post.
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The fact that he's put a link before his post would suggest he's not claiming it as his own!! 
Edit- thought you were referring to poster on this forum not in link - in that case feel free to be annoyed!
Edit- thought you were referring to poster on this forum not in link - in that case feel free to be annoyed!
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^ It could be the same person has posted it on multiple sites. Found the link on another Arsenal forum ( 
) and it sums up pretty much everything many of us think about the Wenger 'predicament'. Just wish I could articulate my views as well as that bloke 
) and it sums up pretty much everything many of us think about the Wenger 'predicament'. Just wish I could articulate my views as well as that bloke -
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Begegs is right, that comment is actually from the Arsenal Truth blog, poster is a dude called Raskolnikov. Full post is actually different, posted it below:
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AT Great piece. What's funny is the outrage and disbelief from certain fans - where have these muppets been the last 10 years? Now we find out he lied about Welbeck, knowing about his injury comeback and then only revealing the full truth after the window shut. He did this a few years ago with Vermaelen and his achilles, claiming he "would be back soon"... only admitting he needed surgery once the window had shut.
He's lied to fans so many times it's untrue. Example, claiming he'd suffered in the CL by "prioritising the FA Cup". Ignoring the fact that Arsenal regularly fielded rubbish teams that were humbled by Stoke and Blackburn etc. or how about the blatant lie when he promised "100%" that TV would be replaced if sold?
Or how about claiming Podolski was not bought as an RVP replacement when he knew all along a deal had been already struck with Fergie? How about his promise he wouldn't sell Nasri and Cesc in the same summer then selling both within weeks of each other?
The guy is a bona fide bullshit merchant, thoroughly dishonest and a greedy self-serving arsehole to boot.
What forever makes me laugh about our moronic Wengerite fanbase, is that Lord A-hole has made it abundantly clear he has nothing but contempt for the fans! Last year on deadline day, he buggered off to Rome. This year, he jaunts off to Paris.
This lack of respect is nothing new. See the way he talked to Jacqui Oatley of the BBC, an absolute disgrace. See the "haven't worked half a day in football" comment he aimed at fans. See the piss-taking abuse of club funds giving Diaby contract after mega-contract (incidentally Marseille have just cut him from their Europa League squad. Never mind, AW made him a very rich boy already!)
Wenger has no interest in finishing first and hasn't done for years. He urges Mourinho to show him respect but fails to see what a royal hypocrite he is, forever sticking his oar in where it doesn't concern him: commenting on ManYoo transfers, commenting on PSG, commenting on Citeh etc.
At the same time he moans about "no value" in the football market, this dickhead has been collecting £8m every year he speeds past "Go", for achieving sod-all. Doesn't seem to mind the lack of value the fans get from his ridiculous wages eh? How about his defending of ticket prices? Value doesn't seem to be an issue in that scenario does it?
Wenger is in bed with Kroenke. He always has been and this has been abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain. For years the AKB claimed "Kroenke is withholding funds" despite clear evidence the wage bill was enormous and getting bigger each year. Years of failure were dressed up as being "the board's fault" even though Wenger was getting his arse handed to him in the CL by PSV, Valencia, Deportivo... much poorer teams. The problem for the AKB now is that, with those huge financial commercial deals, the property developments, the huge TV deal, allied to Arsenal's match day revenue AND CL TV cash, they've now run out of excuses.
Whereas before Wenger's excuse was he couldn't compete money-wise, the excuse has changed to "I've got loads of money but there's no players". LOL!
How did treble-winning Barca find new players? If the highly paid scouts genuinely can't find better than rubbish like Giroud and Walcott, then sack the lot of them, as I've seen better players in The Championship. The minute Wenger gave Giroud £130k a week (!) and Wally £140k you just knew that was it, nobody was coming.
Difficult times at AKB excuses Central HQ as there's literally no defence left. Zero.
What's funny is that Wenger has been taking the piss out of Arsenal FC for years, using it as his own personal ego fiefdom. Project youth, then the massive wages to garbage like Eboue and Almunia, then the obsession with becoming Barca-lite, then Yaya Sanogo, and now his latest joke: signing nobody at all!
His arrogance knows no bounds and Gary Neville was spot on. Problem always was, after Jose very intentionally baited him by mentioning how much Wenger spends - a deliberate ploy made to force the imbecile Wenger into proving a point by spending nothing - he was always going to try and prove a point. Sadly, it's the same point he's been failing to prove these past 11 years by failing to compete for the PL. All of a sudden, the FA Cup, a competition Wenger devalued by claiming 4th place was a bigger achievement... became the equivalent of the World Cup. Funny that!
Arsenal fans absolutely deserve this charlatan. He's Kroenke's right hand man. In an era where EVERY manager is desperate to have funds to strengthen, he's the only one who wants to spend nothing. Any other club would definitely sack him for such inaction once he fails in the league... but AFC will almost certainly reward him. Isn't that weird to some?
George Graham was accused of taking bungs but what does Wenger stand to gain financially by continually fleecing and lying to the fans? Are his bonuses linked to making savings in the market?
How is it possible that Arsenal, with over £200m in the bank, failed to sign a single outfield player, having finished 12 puts behind the Champs and having been humiliated in Europe by a tinpot club?
No other club would accept this and their fans would go mental. But this is AFC, home of English football's softest, most unambitious and passive fans. Happy with advanced mediocrity, but have something to say shot every other club. But here's the thing: this "self sustaining" model is a con.
Ivan Gazidis is a clown and an incompetent joke. A CEO who has never ever criticised a clearly sub-standard manager. Kroenke screws the fans and then takes our "strategic consultancy fees" - for what? Humiliation by Monaco? Or another failed season?
Wenger did sod-all in the transfer market but it'll be interesting to see if there's money to go into Kroenke pockets - I suspect we all know the answer to that one eh!
It is obvious what's going on at Arsenal and it's rotten, but more rotten than that is the idiot populace that sits back, continues to hand over £1k a season to have the piss taken out of them and then claims "what can we do?"
It's THAT very apathetic, spineless attitude of the fans that is a reflection of the team. Brittle, mediocre entities like Giroud and Wally are worshipped. Says it all really.
Arsenal fans like to take the moral high ground about "doing things the right way" and take vicarious pride in the balance sheet trophy (like they get anything out of it). Here's the thing see: Arsenal fans can pipe up all they want about "oil money" but from what I can see, Sheikh Mansour, Roubles Roman and Qatar all care about winning and making their fans happy. Underperformance is dealt with, aspiration is always key and winning trumps all.
Stan Kroenke is a billionaire too. Arsenal are loaded. Yet, as their idiot fans boast about making a soulless distant billionaire richer, through his scamming of their stupidity; on the pitch the club is a laughing stock. Going into a new season with just one recognised striker - the French donkey who couldn't hit a barn door. Record cash in the bank but holes everywhere. Being charged the highest ticket prices in Europe, but spending less than Burnley and Getafe on players. A manager riling about the excesses of football but picking up a royal mint for himself. Being proud about all that cash in the bank, but the club not reducing prices.
It's fucking tragicomedy, and the butt of the big joke isn't Wenger. He's just a mediocre wannabe savant economist with an average pedigree for elite football management. Kroenke, Gazidis and Wenger continue to laugh at football's stupidest and most gullible entity. The blind mugs that fall for the same con trick every year, yet come back for more, with no complaints: the Arsenal fan.
The fans deserve a mediocre autocrat like Wenger, and dictators don't piss-off willingly. So enjoy being a big joke for many years to come. God knows, you've earned it!
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Yep, it's a bloody Masterpiece!
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AT Great piece. What's funny is the outrage and disbelief from certain fans - where have these muppets been the last 10 years? Now we find out he lied about Welbeck, knowing about his injury comeback and then only revealing the full truth after the window shut. He did this a few years ago with Vermaelen and his achilles, claiming he "would be back soon"... only admitting he needed surgery once the window had shut.
He's lied to fans so many times it's untrue. Example, claiming he'd suffered in the CL by "prioritising the FA Cup". Ignoring the fact that Arsenal regularly fielded rubbish teams that were humbled by Stoke and Blackburn etc. or how about the blatant lie when he promised "100%" that TV would be replaced if sold?
Or how about claiming Podolski was not bought as an RVP replacement when he knew all along a deal had been already struck with Fergie? How about his promise he wouldn't sell Nasri and Cesc in the same summer then selling both within weeks of each other?
The guy is a bona fide bullshit merchant, thoroughly dishonest and a greedy self-serving arsehole to boot.
What forever makes me laugh about our moronic Wengerite fanbase, is that Lord A-hole has made it abundantly clear he has nothing but contempt for the fans! Last year on deadline day, he buggered off to Rome. This year, he jaunts off to Paris.
This lack of respect is nothing new. See the way he talked to Jacqui Oatley of the BBC, an absolute disgrace. See the "haven't worked half a day in football" comment he aimed at fans. See the piss-taking abuse of club funds giving Diaby contract after mega-contract (incidentally Marseille have just cut him from their Europa League squad. Never mind, AW made him a very rich boy already!)
Wenger has no interest in finishing first and hasn't done for years. He urges Mourinho to show him respect but fails to see what a royal hypocrite he is, forever sticking his oar in where it doesn't concern him: commenting on ManYoo transfers, commenting on PSG, commenting on Citeh etc.
At the same time he moans about "no value" in the football market, this dickhead has been collecting £8m every year he speeds past "Go", for achieving sod-all. Doesn't seem to mind the lack of value the fans get from his ridiculous wages eh? How about his defending of ticket prices? Value doesn't seem to be an issue in that scenario does it?
Wenger is in bed with Kroenke. He always has been and this has been abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain. For years the AKB claimed "Kroenke is withholding funds" despite clear evidence the wage bill was enormous and getting bigger each year. Years of failure were dressed up as being "the board's fault" even though Wenger was getting his arse handed to him in the CL by PSV, Valencia, Deportivo... much poorer teams. The problem for the AKB now is that, with those huge financial commercial deals, the property developments, the huge TV deal, allied to Arsenal's match day revenue AND CL TV cash, they've now run out of excuses.
Whereas before Wenger's excuse was he couldn't compete money-wise, the excuse has changed to "I've got loads of money but there's no players". LOL!
How did treble-winning Barca find new players? If the highly paid scouts genuinely can't find better than rubbish like Giroud and Walcott, then sack the lot of them, as I've seen better players in The Championship. The minute Wenger gave Giroud £130k a week (!) and Wally £140k you just knew that was it, nobody was coming.
Difficult times at AKB excuses Central HQ as there's literally no defence left. Zero.
What's funny is that Wenger has been taking the piss out of Arsenal FC for years, using it as his own personal ego fiefdom. Project youth, then the massive wages to garbage like Eboue and Almunia, then the obsession with becoming Barca-lite, then Yaya Sanogo, and now his latest joke: signing nobody at all!
His arrogance knows no bounds and Gary Neville was spot on. Problem always was, after Jose very intentionally baited him by mentioning how much Wenger spends - a deliberate ploy made to force the imbecile Wenger into proving a point by spending nothing - he was always going to try and prove a point. Sadly, it's the same point he's been failing to prove these past 11 years by failing to compete for the PL. All of a sudden, the FA Cup, a competition Wenger devalued by claiming 4th place was a bigger achievement... became the equivalent of the World Cup. Funny that!
Arsenal fans absolutely deserve this charlatan. He's Kroenke's right hand man. In an era where EVERY manager is desperate to have funds to strengthen, he's the only one who wants to spend nothing. Any other club would definitely sack him for such inaction once he fails in the league... but AFC will almost certainly reward him. Isn't that weird to some?
George Graham was accused of taking bungs but what does Wenger stand to gain financially by continually fleecing and lying to the fans? Are his bonuses linked to making savings in the market?
How is it possible that Arsenal, with over £200m in the bank, failed to sign a single outfield player, having finished 12 puts behind the Champs and having been humiliated in Europe by a tinpot club?
No other club would accept this and their fans would go mental. But this is AFC, home of English football's softest, most unambitious and passive fans. Happy with advanced mediocrity, but have something to say shot every other club. But here's the thing: this "self sustaining" model is a con.
Ivan Gazidis is a clown and an incompetent joke. A CEO who has never ever criticised a clearly sub-standard manager. Kroenke screws the fans and then takes our "strategic consultancy fees" - for what? Humiliation by Monaco? Or another failed season?
Wenger did sod-all in the transfer market but it'll be interesting to see if there's money to go into Kroenke pockets - I suspect we all know the answer to that one eh!
It is obvious what's going on at Arsenal and it's rotten, but more rotten than that is the idiot populace that sits back, continues to hand over £1k a season to have the piss taken out of them and then claims "what can we do?"
It's THAT very apathetic, spineless attitude of the fans that is a reflection of the team. Brittle, mediocre entities like Giroud and Wally are worshipped. Says it all really.
Arsenal fans like to take the moral high ground about "doing things the right way" and take vicarious pride in the balance sheet trophy (like they get anything out of it). Here's the thing see: Arsenal fans can pipe up all they want about "oil money" but from what I can see, Sheikh Mansour, Roubles Roman and Qatar all care about winning and making their fans happy. Underperformance is dealt with, aspiration is always key and winning trumps all.
Stan Kroenke is a billionaire too. Arsenal are loaded. Yet, as their idiot fans boast about making a soulless distant billionaire richer, through his scamming of their stupidity; on the pitch the club is a laughing stock. Going into a new season with just one recognised striker - the French donkey who couldn't hit a barn door. Record cash in the bank but holes everywhere. Being charged the highest ticket prices in Europe, but spending less than Burnley and Getafe on players. A manager riling about the excesses of football but picking up a royal mint for himself. Being proud about all that cash in the bank, but the club not reducing prices.
It's fucking tragicomedy, and the butt of the big joke isn't Wenger. He's just a mediocre wannabe savant economist with an average pedigree for elite football management. Kroenke, Gazidis and Wenger continue to laugh at football's stupidest and most gullible entity. The blind mugs that fall for the same con trick every year, yet come back for more, with no complaints: the Arsenal fan.
The fans deserve a mediocre autocrat like Wenger, and dictators don't piss-off willingly. So enjoy being a big joke for many years to come. God knows, you've earned it!
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Yep, it's a bloody Masterpiece!
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He's pretty much managed to condense 1200+ pages of shite from this thread into 15 paragraphs
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Gosh now he blaming 'high quality' ptiches for derth of world-class strikers.
Never take meds today.
Never take meds today.
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The bloke is spot on about Mourinho baiting Wenger. It's like taking candy from a baby for him.
He constantly makes these digs at Wenger (like 'specialist in failure') because he knows the more he does it the more stubborn Wenger becomes and the more determined he is to beat Mourinho his way - by not strengthening the squad and by telling his players to go out there and enjoy themselves rather than instilling any sort of tactical plan. Hence his diabolical record against Mourinho and the annual tummy-tickling at Stamford Bridge. Mourinho doesn't give a shit if people dislike him for it because as long as it continues we're not going to be a threat.
And like that poster picks up Mourinho then turning round and having a pop at how much Wenger spends was an attempt to goad him into not signing anybody (not that Wenger needs any persuasion).
He is absolutely indefensible. For years he had the excuse of (supposed) financial constraints and we struggled losing our best players (who he did spectacularly badly when it came to replacing). We've now had three summer windows in a row where we have had plenty of money to spend and no danger of losing any important players. They've been a golden opportunity and he has just pissed it up against the wall. This was his chance to reap the benefits of the lean period by adding the sort of players we need to our decent squad to make us into contenders. But yet again his own ego comes ahead of the club's interests and despite his continuing complaints about 'stupid money' in football he is paying Giroud and Walcott a combined £14m a year in wages.
He constantly makes these digs at Wenger (like 'specialist in failure') because he knows the more he does it the more stubborn Wenger becomes and the more determined he is to beat Mourinho his way - by not strengthening the squad and by telling his players to go out there and enjoy themselves rather than instilling any sort of tactical plan. Hence his diabolical record against Mourinho and the annual tummy-tickling at Stamford Bridge. Mourinho doesn't give a shit if people dislike him for it because as long as it continues we're not going to be a threat.
And like that poster picks up Mourinho then turning round and having a pop at how much Wenger spends was an attempt to goad him into not signing anybody (not that Wenger needs any persuasion).
He is absolutely indefensible. For years he had the excuse of (supposed) financial constraints and we struggled losing our best players (who he did spectacularly badly when it came to replacing). We've now had three summer windows in a row where we have had plenty of money to spend and no danger of losing any important players. They've been a golden opportunity and he has just pissed it up against the wall. This was his chance to reap the benefits of the lean period by adding the sort of players we need to our decent squad to make us into contenders. But yet again his own ego comes ahead of the club's interests and despite his continuing complaints about 'stupid money' in football he is paying Giroud and Walcott a combined £14m a year in wages.
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GoonerMuzz
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I agree with nearly everything in that post but there is one point that i feel is not quite articulated correctly and that's about the fans.
Over that last 5 years or so i've known a good number of fans who have in their own way made their mini protests, giving up their season tickets, membership and even stopping buying merchandise. Now i know this is a drop in the ocean but although this is significant it has actually had an adverse effect.
The problem has always been that no matter how many of us do these things there has always been another 10 people to take our place and as i'm a complete cynic i honestly believe that this has been part of the clubs business plan.
Arsenal Football Club is a business and i know that at the top of it their are some seriously shrewd business brains who have actively encouraged getting rid of the 'Old Brigade' of fans and to open up supporting the team to a newer style of football fan who are only concerned with having a good day out rather than the actual success of the club on the field.
How many of you regular fans on here have i seen state that you have given up your season tickets or stopped going? Now think of all our mates who have been fans for years and have done the same, it's a much larger proportion than i think we actually realise.
60,000 fans in the stadium and in all honesty i'd be surprised if more than 50% of them these days are life long matchday supporting fans. The club has become an American style sports franchise to the core and you can't blame the current fans for that it's exactly what they are going for and exactly why many of us have been pushed out.
Over that last 5 years or so i've known a good number of fans who have in their own way made their mini protests, giving up their season tickets, membership and even stopping buying merchandise. Now i know this is a drop in the ocean but although this is significant it has actually had an adverse effect.
The problem has always been that no matter how many of us do these things there has always been another 10 people to take our place and as i'm a complete cynic i honestly believe that this has been part of the clubs business plan.
Arsenal Football Club is a business and i know that at the top of it their are some seriously shrewd business brains who have actively encouraged getting rid of the 'Old Brigade' of fans and to open up supporting the team to a newer style of football fan who are only concerned with having a good day out rather than the actual success of the club on the field.
How many of you regular fans on here have i seen state that you have given up your season tickets or stopped going? Now think of all our mates who have been fans for years and have done the same, it's a much larger proportion than i think we actually realise.
60,000 fans in the stadium and in all honesty i'd be surprised if more than 50% of them these days are life long matchday supporting fans. The club has become an American style sports franchise to the core and you can't blame the current fans for that it's exactly what they are going for and exactly why many of us have been pushed out.
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rodders999 wrote:He's pretty much managed to condense 1200+ pages of shite from this thread into 15 paragraphs
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Yes, but he didn't include any tits so I think we're still better people.postmanPat91 wrote:rodders999 wrote:He's pretty much managed to condense 1200+ pages of shite from this thread into 15 paragraphs
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Fear notPerryashburtongroves wrote:Yes, but he didn't include any tits so I think we're still better people.postmanPat91 wrote:rodders999 wrote:He's pretty much managed to condense 1200+ pages of shite from this thread into 15 paragraphs
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Her boat race ain't so hot...But those Whammers !!! 
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GoonerMuzz wrote:I agree with nearly everything in that post but there is one point that i feel is not quite articulated correctly and that's about the fans.
Over that last 5 years or so i've known a good number of fans who have in their own way made their mini protests, giving up their season tickets, membership and even stopping buying merchandise. Now i know this is a drop in the ocean but although this is significant it has actually had an adverse effect.
The problem has always been that no matter how many of us do these things there has always been another 10 people to take our place and as i'm a complete cynic i honestly believe that this has been part of the clubs business plan.
Arsenal Football Club is a business and i know that at the top of it their are some seriously shrewd business brains who have actively encouraged getting rid of the 'Old Brigade' of fans and to open up supporting the team to a newer style of football fan who are only concerned with having a good day out rather than the actual success of the club on the field.
How many of you regular fans on here have i seen state that you have given up your season tickets or stopped going? Now think of all our mates who have been fans for years and have done the same, it's a much larger proportion than i think we actually realise.
60,000 fans in the stadium and in all honesty i'd be surprised if more than 50% of them these days are life long matchday supporting fans. The club has become an American style sports franchise to the core and you can't blame the current fans for that it's exactly what they are going for and exactly why many of us have been pushed out.
You say yourself you are a cynic but it is frankly very believable. I go once at most a year to the corporate bowl and don't plan to go this year. Really have had enough.
Non-league football is where it's at for me. Less than a tenner to get in to my local side, beers on the terrace and good, honest football miles away from the detached mercenaries that pollute the top level of the game.
