THE WENGER THREAD

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I think the pressure is on him now more than its ever been, never in my life of going down The Arsenal have I heard so many saying hes on borrowed time coming out the ground, after yesterday the number of AKBs dropped thats for certain.

On the train on the way back home I snuck in 1st class, there were about 15 of us in there, a mix of s/t holders and red/silver and all bar one said we need a new manager.

I read a great quote on here a few weeks back; It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

Well the dog is getting bigger. :D

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Yeah he's feeling the heat for the first time in his tenure and he's finding it extremely tough to deal with. He's squirming under pressure and you can see it in his recent comments and overall behavior. Wenger is a bottler, he won't stay too long if this keeps up mark my words.

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Begone with you Wenger, off to P.S.G you go!

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1989 wrote:Yeah he's feeling the heat for the first time in his tenure and he's finding it extremely tough to deal with. He's squirming under pressure and you can see it in his recent comments and overall behavior. Wenger is a bottler, he won't stay too long if this keeps up mark my words.
People have been saying the same thing since the end of the 2008 season when the wheels came off. Whether its a collapse in the last 3 months, a November / December slump or the pathetic starts to last season and this, the bloke always looks gaunt and gets all niggly with the Press. All the while the Board keep rewarding him for making them money he'll be more than happy picking up his 7m a year, safe in the knowledge that probably 80% of the fans still want him in the job. A couple of jeers and some knobheads in the press winding him up won't change a thing

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Just back from the away trip to Munich. They could not win the 5th game in a row against us :mrgreen:

So looking at your result and to be fair, I realy never noticed Swansea City before. It sounds like the name of a B Movie with an old porn guy who is in his last role as an 'actor'.

What the hell was going on?
Come on guys, you have to fix your fanstatic football club, whatever it will take!

All the best from Germany.
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There isn't a hope in hell that the board will ever sack Wenger......ever. We are totally dependent on him walking away and why would he walk away from his dream job of total dictatorship and no pressure to win anything?? Football is a results driven business at every single football club except Arsenal FC, where it is profits driven and Wenger is totally complicit in this farce. The only hope is that he won't sign a new contract, having turned the club into complete also rans and having filled the squad with mediocrity. One of the AKB's said the other day that Arsenal will not be anywhere near the top 4 when Wenger leaves......we won't for two reasons, one is Wenger himself, who is taking us down further each season and the other is that he will leave the next manager with an impossible task, to take over a piss poor squad on enormous wages and none of them will want to leave to earn 50% elsewhere. We are fucked, with a capital F and it's all down to Wenger. He has bought players loyalty over the years by paying huge wages and they will soon be all that remain, the also rans on massive money and little talent.
Arsenal sell one or two top players every season, this season it will be Sagna and Walcott. I said it a couple of years ago, Wenger will finally leave when he has made us a mid table club and left us with no top class players, we are well on the road to that.

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Mid table mediocre club now, that say's it all :(

Switch out the lights on the way out Wenger :|

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rodders999 wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:Any news on his new contract yet ?
As I've said it's turned simple now. Anyone who is pro Wenger is anti Arsenal. Absolutely convinced he'd done for. Dead. Man. Walking.
I hope you're right Rodders, our season looks like it will be over in January following that cup draw, that might see him walk, though as someone else said on this thread, he might see see the season out and leave the mess for someone else to clear up. I expect him to have one last desperate throw of the dice with a couple of panic buys in January, which will ultimately fail, but add another couple of french or african second raters to the payroll.
Fuck but I despise him.

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WHEN we finally get rid of him we need to undergo a de-Wengerfication, exactly like Germany had to undergo a de-Nazification after WWII.

Every single quote on the walls inside the ground alluding to his philosophy need to be scrubbed thoroughly, we need to start learning how to defend from square 1 (even if it means extra training every day for a month on set pieces), somebody needs to get every single Academy player together and put the fear of God into them so that we don't end up with people like Frimpong that play a few LC games and think they're the dog's bollocks, players like Chamakh who are staying on bloated contracts need to be called in and given a dressing down and made to train with the Youth until they work out their priorities. On a Monday morning the players need to be sat down with clips of mistakes in that weekend's game, asked why they took that particular decision and then discuss how it should have been dealt with and work on it in training if needs be. It would also be nice to see the players wearing blazers to the games again too, and to have a manager who won't refuse to shake hands if we get beaten and won't spend 90 mins berating the fourth official.

And above all we need to stop this culture of celebrating mediocrity. I'd love the new manager to come in to training, gather the players round a big cardboard box with tinsel on it and ask Vermaelen to open it and tell everybody what's inside. When he replies confusedly "nothing, boss", he'd say that's fucking right because that's what this club has won in the last x years - fuck all - and that's just not right.

And if the new manager so much as enquires about the balance sheet, his body parts should be removed in the following order: tongue, hands, eyes, cock.

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Great stuff today from Le Grove RE Wenger;
I think Arsene’s time is coming to an end. Even if we do make the top four this season, it won’t be enough. Even if we win a cup, it won’t change a thing. We’re getting away with dated methods at the moment. The simple fact is, Arsene Wenger has forgotten how to win. If he goes, there’s no reason we can’t make a decent appointment. There’s no reason we have to go through what Liverpool are suffering with. There’s no reason the Arsenal story shouldn’t move to the next, more successful, more wealthy level.

People are scared of change, I think that’s a weak attitude to take. Be scared of stagnating. Be scared of failing consistently every year. Be scared of accepting mediocrity. Football and sport are about progress. We’re not progressing. We won’t progress under Arsene Wenger. He’s killed himself by failing to adapt to the modern game. Mourinho took coaching to a new level, that shock to the system took Fergie to a new level, but it left Wenger looking more and more antiquated. It’s time for a new man to take us forward. That change won’t happen now, but I think there’s a high chance it could at the end of the season.
Very well put and bang on the money :barscarf:

http://le-grove.co.uk/2012/12/02/arsene ... good-news/


Guardiola/Moyes at the end of the season and a war-chest of £110m that Wenger has refused to spend. Board reshuffle, get Dein back, bring in R&W.

Goetze, Cavani, Fellaini, Isco, Ba, Cabaye, Tiote, Arfa, Lopez, not to mention Cesc bums Guardiola and would be back in a flash.

So many players out there we could tempt here, I am sure of that. Not with Wenger though, not with Kroenke, either.

Why would Guardiola come here? If Wenger goes we won’t be getting a top tier manager.”

Absolute bollocks We are the 3rd biggest club in English history, we are the 6th best club by UEFA coefficient, we are in the most exciting league in the world and the quickest growing league in the world, the biggest city in europe, we pay enormous wages to our manager, have one of europes best stadiums and would be a huge challenge.See your post is one of the reasons we are struggling, Wenger has managed to convince fans that we are some fucking shitty little mid table club who are grateful to finish 4th.Absolutely ridiculous.
:barscarf: :barscarf:
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northbank123 wrote:WHEN we finally get rid of him we need to undergo a de-Wengerfication, exactly like Germany had to undergo a de-Nazification after WWII.

Every single quote on the walls inside the ground alluding to his philosophy need to be scrubbed thoroughly, we need to start learning how to defend from square 1 (even if it means extra training every day for a month on set pieces), somebody needs to get every single Academy player together and put the fear of God into them so that we don't end up with people like Frimpong that play a few LC games and think they're the dog's bollocks, players like Chamakh who are staying on bloated contracts need to be called in and given a dressing down and made to train with the Youth until they work out their priorities. On a Monday morning the players need to be sat down with clips of mistakes in that weekend's game, asked why they took that particular decision and then discuss how it should have been dealt with and work on it in training if needs be. It would also be nice to see the players wearing blazers to the games again too, and to have a manager who won't refuse to shake hands if we get beaten and won't spend 90 mins berating the fourth official.

And above all we need to stop this culture of celebrating mediocrity. I'd love the new manager to come in to training, gather the players round a big cardboard box with tinsel on it and ask Vermaelen to open it and tell everybody what's inside. When he replies confusedly "nothing, boss", he'd say that's fucking right because that's what this club has won in the last x years - fuck all - and that's just not right.

And if the new manager so much as enquires about the balance sheet, his body parts should be removed in the following order: tongue, hands, eyes, cock.
I was convinced it was going to be Gervinho's head. And by "convinced" obviously I mean "hoping." But of course you'd probably need a shipping container rather than a box for that.

A lot of what you've written above is actually not too dissimilar to what Guardiola did when he took over a Barca side that had gotten ideas above its station.

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Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:
northbank123 wrote:I'd love the new manager to come in to training, gather the players round a big cardboard box with tinsel on it and ask Vermaelen to open it and tell everybody what's inside.
I was convinced it was going to be Gervinho's head.
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g88ner wrote:
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:
northbank123 wrote:I'd love the new manager to come in to training, gather the players round a big cardboard box with tinsel on it and ask Vermaelen to open it and tell everybody what's inside.
I was convinced it was going to be Gervinho's head.
:coffeespit: :coffeespit:
As you said, it would have to be more like an aeroplane hangar than a cardboard box to fit his head in.

Although seeing as inside Gervinho's head exists a vacuum (no fucking brain in there that's for sure), maybe he could ditch the cardboard box and ask Vermaelen to slice open Gervinho's head instead to reveal nothing. Would that be agreeable?

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I now have my children adding the following to their bedtime prayers;

"Please God be kind to Daddy's beloved Arsenal and make Arsene leave tomorrow. Please."

A couple things in this thread;

The same old "we won't get anywhere near 4th place" stuff as last year (and the year before). In December. :|

Sorry lads, as much as we all are writing Arsene off (and rightly so), we will get that 4th place slot. Again. As I've said before - it ain't because we are so good, it's because the PL is actually so average now days (no matter what SlySports say :roll: ). The other teams competing for it just are that bit more shit than us over a full 38 games. Stoke, West Brom, Swansea, Everton - none of them will be in the top 5 in May. The only ones I think might push us again this year are the Mousers and the scum. The Mousers will spend in January and the scum (as much as it sickens me to admit) have a pretty decent squad :x . But then it's down to "can Rodgers and AVB push them that bit further"? I'm not convinced, but maybe they can...

With the actual players we have, we should be finishing in the top 3 this season. The chavs are in chaos and adding the idiotic Rafa to that equation has fucked their season. Only Citeh and Manure have far superior squads. BUT I qualify that statement about us finishing 3rd with "that's ONLY if the players are played in the right system". That caveat is hugely important. Our main problem is we have a manager that insists on playing players out of position, trying to fit the players to the system rather than the system to the players' talents. With our squad and the money allegedly available in January we SHOULD be looking at 3rd place at least this season. But with Wenger in charge we will scrap and scrape our way to 4th... as I say, mostly because the other teams fighting for it are that bit weaker than us.

That is just not acceptable at a club of our size and tradition, and with the money we are spending on Wenger's wage and the players' wages and the ticket prices we are paying. NOT ACCEPTABLE. :x

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Article on Mail today says IF Wenger did have £70m to spend on a striker (among other things) his first choice would be Robin van Persie...but if Wenger had £70m to spend and convinced Van Persie of his ambitions during the Summer then he wouldn't have to sign Van Persie because he would have stayed an Arsenal player. Classic catch 22

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