ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

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[General]

Valued by who......not the fans, that's for sure. Investing money in any business does not automatically make you more valuable, especially if the investments are bad. And Arteta has made plenty of those.

You ask a question and then launch into speculation that doesn’t make any sense. A simple Google would reveal that we have the second most valuable squad in the league after City, and the market value significantly outstrips the initial investment. The days of the club losing money on players and messing up contract renewals are long gone.

In any business an asset is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Anyone can value a player at say £50million, but if someone is only willing to pay a packet of Hubba Bubba and a couple of Opal Fruits, then that is all a player is worth.

In business it's the basis of false accounting - over valuing assets to make the books look more attractive, especially if you're looking to sell or attract investment

The squad valuation is validated by every single football business report. Assets are valued based on depreciation and net present value. These are simple accounting rules. Transfer fees are not plucked from thin air. They are calculated based on well established parameters and then inflated if buyer is desperate. Again our squad is one of the most valuable and sustainable in world football. You can look it up.

Come back to me IF we ever get the valuations listed on a player we sell - I'd bet my nuts that we wont get near whatever zinchenko is valued at if we sell him to dortmund. Tbh those valuation reports are for the most part bu!!shit anyway - lets be honest here and say that a players valuation shoots up as soon as an english club tries to buy him cos it is accepted worldwide that the premier league is the richest league in the world, but then if a club from a less affluent league tries to sign the same player their valuation will be lower. Whose scale are we operating on when these valuations are banded around ?

We recouped decent money from the sales of Nketia and Smith Row so I don't see why we can't do the same with Zinchenko. We paid around £30m for him in 2022 when he was 25. He's 28 now so even if we receive half of what we paid for him, it would be a decent return, not to mention the savings in the wage bill.
In the past under Wenger circa 2009 onwards, the market value of our players collapsed because we were seen as a mediocre outfit so caveat emptor. Being competitive and not needing to sell has made our players more attractive to buyers, and that includes players on the fringes like Zinchenko. Most of our key players are young and secured to long term contracts which helps boost the value of the squad.

[augie]

You ask a question and then launch into speculation that doesn’t make any sense. A simple Google would reveal that we have the second most valuable squad in the league after City, and the market value significantly outstrips the initial investment. The days of the club losing money on players and messing up contract renewals are long gone.

In any business an asset is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Anyone can value a player at say £50million, but if someone is only willing to pay a packet of Hubba Bubba and a couple of Opal Fruits, then that is all a player is worth.

In business it's the basis of false accounting - over valuing assets to make the books look more attractive, especially if you're looking to sell or attract investment

The squad valuation is validated by every single football business report. Assets are valued based on depreciation and net present value. These are simple accounting rules. Transfer fees are not plucked from thin air. They are calculated based on well established parameters and then inflated if buyer is desperate. Again our squad is one of the most valuable and sustainable in world football. You can look it up.

Come back to me IF we ever get the valuations listed on a player we sell - I'd bet my nuts that we wont get near whatever zinchenko is valued at if we sell him to dortmund. Tbh those valuation reports are for the most part bu!!shit anyway - lets be honest here and say that a players valuation shoots up as soon as an english club tries to buy him cos it is accepted worldwide that the premier league is the richest league in the world, but then if a club from a less affluent league tries to sign the same player their valuation will be lower. Whose scale are we operating on when these valuations are banded around ?

We recouped decent money from the sales of Nketia and Smith Row so I don't see why we can't do the same with Zinchenko. We paid around £30m for him in 2022 when he was 25. He's 28 now so even if we receive half of what we paid for him, it would be a decent return, not to mention the savings in the wage bill.
In the past under Wenger circa 2009 onwards, the market value of our players collapsed because we were seen as a mediocre outfit so caveat emptor. Being competitive and not needing to sell has made our players more attractive to buyers, and that includes players on the fringes like Zinchenko. Most of our key players are young and secured to long term contracts which helps boost the value of the squad.

Fcuk me it is getting contagious around here cos now you are changing your argument halfway through - you said that "The days of the club losing money on players and messing up contract renewals are long gone", but here you are talking about recouping half of what we paid for zinchenko, so how does that back up your argument about the market value outstripping the initial investment ? I pointed out to you that the valuations argument is flawed anyway cos the valuations will be greatly influenced by where you sell the players, and that if we sell them foreign those valuations will be greatly dropped cos they dont have the riches of premier league clubs - you responded by pointing out the fee's we got for smith-rowe and nketieh who we sold to premier league clubs For the record I will also point out that had we of sold nketieh 12 months earlier (when we should have) when there was concrete interest in him, the price being talked about was significantly higher than what we eventually got for him - was that good business for us ? I wouldnt think so

Truly if we are being honest we would see massive profits if we sold martinelli and saliba but neither was bought by cone boy. We would see profits on timber, gabriel and possibly trossard. I dont see us making much profit on merino, kiwor, raya and I see us making a loss on rice, havertz, zinchenko, jesus, partey and white

[Limerick Gooner]

Doubt there’s profit to make on anyone. Madrid are signing players on frees. United have a miser in charge. They were spunking fortunes on shite but that is over. City look to be value driven. Chelsea have done their money and can’t do much more. Who is going to pay big transfer fees in world football??

[SteveO 35]

I think you're all missing the point

The "internal market" is now open for business and White and Tomiyasu lined up as new signings

[the playing mantis]

https://x.com/madebygoogle/status/1879079758752804928

Mildly amusing

That’s very good and well performed by Sol.

I know some don't and yes he's a fruit loop but love sol! What a player and what he did to those cnuts! Remember it like yesterday a level results day or UCAS something like that I'm sure or last day of school. One of them!

Google pixel are an official partner of us...explains this as a bit. Cracking bants from the club and Google!

[SteveO 35]

Just watching the chances Calvert Lewin misses for Everton. He'd be perfect for us

[BFG4]

Can anyone we do business with in January do a swap deal for Havertz, never mind even swapping him for anyone, just take him, anyone please

[OneBardGooner]

Just watching the chances Calvert Lewin misses for Everton. He'd be perfect for us

Don't joke SteveO we were rumoured to be interested in him 2 seasons ago...

[augie]

El basque last night mentioned that they are looking to see what forward options are available in the market and no doubt thousands of Gooners were delighted with the news - false dawn methinks. To turn this team into a real contender we need a proper number 9 but the cone boy has consistantly shown that he doesnt want that type of striker - pre match last night tnt spoke about how havertz and jesus both play the same way (dropping deep and dropping wide), and if he buys another that type of striker then we will be fcuked imo. He hasnt accepted that he needs an old school penalty area clinical striker who is a proper poacher, but no different that what he showed when preferring zinchenko over tierney, he wants to play his tactics and I fear any incoming striker will have the same traits as the existing useless c.unts that we have, and that will NOT get the job done

Please dont let the cone boy spend another penny on transfers

[BFG4]

If you listen to Artetas post match interview, it sounded like someone looking for a striker because he has been forced to do so(due to Injuries) other than actually wanting one. People forget how much Arteta is desperate to see Havertz succed due to the crazy decision to buy him. Up until Jesus grabbed a hat trick against Palace in the League cup, he was glued to the bench at a time when he had no other striker at the club. IF we sign a striker, it will be an average underwhelming player that can come in off the bench

[mcdowell42]

EXCLUSIVE: Arsenal are in talks with RB Leipzig for Benjamin Sesko.

Told Arsenal want a loan with buy option, Leipzig want money upfront or an obligation.

Understand Arteta has spoken with Sesko on more than one occasion.

[augie]

EXCLUSIVE: Arsenal are in talks with RB Leipzig for Benjamin Sesko.

Told Arsenal want a loan with buy option, Leipzig want money upfront or an obligation.

Understand Arteta has spoken with Sesko on more than one occasion.

Surely to fcuk there is a striker available in League One better than this guy ??? Watched him in last summers euro's and we gotta be aiming higher than him if we want to win big prizes

[Midz]

Metro:
Manchester United will not allow Marcus Rashford to sign for a Premier League rival during the January transfer window, according to reports.

Thank fuck for that.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Metro:
Manchester United will not allow Marcus Rashford to sign for a Premier League rival during the January transfer window, according to reports.

Thank fuck for that.

Southampton, Palace, Wolves, Leicester or the scum won't be getting him then. Perhaps a couple of second tier teams as they might well be rivals for the play-offs next season.