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The SNP oppose Brexit partly/ mainly on the grounds that the majority in Scotland voted to remain..In a previous referendum the same people of Scotland voted to also remain in The UK..
Surely to suggest that Scotland gets special consideration is in a way disrespectful to the result of the Scottish Independence referendum.. Like Trump in the White House, you may not like it but it was the vote that was carried and therefore it's what you are left with..

SNP are just a bunch of re-branded Nazis who go around accusing anyone who wants to remain in the United Kingdom as traitors and not really Scots

They have a vocal following in Scotland but as proved by the referendum they are not the majority, most Scots who can read a map and have a basic understanding of economics understand that without the English part of the UK, and this also goes for the Welsh and N Irish too to a lesser degree, the economy up there would tank within a few years and they'd end up just another mini-country relying on the few remaining net contributors in the EU to support them.

Without the Barnett formula to support them there would be serious loss of finances in any of the devolved parliaments budgets, currently Scotland lies second in £ per head received and i'm not sure many Scots would be happy to see that support disappear based on the SNPs 'Neverland' economic policies and plans

GoonerMuzz wrote:SNP are just a bunch of re-branded Nazis who go around accusing anyone who wants to remain in the United Kingdom as traitors and not really Scots

They have a vocal following in Scotland but as proved by the referendum they are not the majority, most Scots who can read a map and have a basic understanding of economics understand that without the English part of the UK, and this also goes for the Welsh and N Irish too to a lesser degree, the economy up there would tank within a few years and they'd end up just another mini-country relying on the few remaining net contributors in the EU to support them.

Without the Barnett formula to support them there would be serious loss of finances in any of the devolved parliaments budgets, currently Scotland lies second in £ per head received and i'm not sure many Scots would be happy to see that support disappear based on the SNPs 'Neverland' economic policies and plans

I'd say it's not to a lesser degree tbh. If there ever was a united Oireland, the NI and Eire economies would go to shit within a couple of years. The UK spends billions topping up the NI economy and security infrastructure. Oireland could not afford it.

Are we out yet?

DB10GOONER wrote:

GoonerMuzz wrote:SNP are just a bunch of re-branded Nazis who go around accusing anyone who wants to remain in the United Kingdom as traitors and not really Scots

They have a vocal following in Scotland but as proved by the referendum they are not the majority, most Scots who can read a map and have a basic understanding of economics understand that without the English part of the UK, and this also goes for the Welsh and N Irish too to a lesser degree, the economy up there would tank within a few years and they'd end up just another mini-country relying on the few remaining net contributors in the EU to support them.

Without the Barnett formula to support them there would be serious loss of finances in any of the devolved parliaments budgets, currently Scotland lies second in £ per head received and i'm not sure many Scots would be happy to see that support disappear based on the SNPs 'Neverland' economic policies and plans

I'd say it's not to a lesser degree tbh. If there ever was a united Oireland, the NI and Eire economies would go to shit within a couple of years. The UK spends billions topping up the NI economy and security infrastructure. Oireland could not afford it.

Exactly so and there lies the big issue.
Personally I would love to see Eire take NI on, but the NI debt would actually bankrupt the Republic..

Nationalism can only go so far, but chucking good money after bad would be financial suicide, and let's face it, it would not be like the reunification of Germany where the affluent post war West who were given so much capital and resource from the US, to the impoverished communist East German bloc, 1 DM on parity with 1 mark....

Allgunsblazin wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

GoonerMuzz wrote:SNP are just a bunch of re-branded Nazis who go around accusing anyone who wants to remain in the United Kingdom as traitors and not really Scots

They have a vocal following in Scotland but as proved by the referendum they are not the majority, most Scots who can read a map and have a basic understanding of economics understand that without the English part of the UK, and this also goes for the Welsh and N Irish too to a lesser degree, the economy up there would tank within a few years and they'd end up just another mini-country relying on the few remaining net contributors in the EU to support them.

Without the Barnett formula to support them there would be serious loss of finances in any of the devolved parliaments budgets, currently Scotland lies second in £ per head received and i'm not sure many Scots would be happy to see that support disappear based on the SNPs 'Neverland' economic policies and plans

I'd say it's not to a lesser degree tbh. If there ever was a united Oireland, the NI and Eire economies would go to shit within a couple of years. The UK spends billions topping up the NI economy and security infrastructure. Oireland could not afford it.

Exactly so and there lies the big issue.
Personally I would love to see Eire take NI on, but the NI debt would actually bankrupt the Republic..

Nationalism can only go so far, but chucking good money after bad would be financial suicide, and let's face it, it would not be like the reunification of Germany where the affluent post war West who were given so much capital and resource from the US, to the impoverished communist East German bloc, 1 DM on parity with 1 mark....

TBH nationalism doesn't really come into it. The only people that really want a united Oireland are nationalists/republicans in NI and a few die hard nationalists in Eire that are in the absolute minority. Most people in modern Oireland don't really care about a united Oireland - particularly now the economy is back slightly on the rise, people are not keen on anything that might cut into the money they can spend on holidays, cars and Starbucks etc... yep, as a nation we are THAT fickle and shallow.

DB10GOONER wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

GoonerMuzz wrote:SNP are just a bunch of re-branded Nazis who go around accusing anyone who wants to remain in the United Kingdom as traitors and not really Scots

They have a vocal following in Scotland but as proved by the referendum they are not the majority, most Scots who can read a map and have a basic understanding of economics understand that without the English part of the UK, and this also goes for the Welsh and N Irish too to a lesser degree, the economy up there would tank within a few years and they'd end up just another mini-country relying on the few remaining net contributors in the EU to support them.

Without the Barnett formula to support them there would be serious loss of finances in any of the devolved parliaments budgets, currently Scotland lies second in £ per head received and i'm not sure many Scots would be happy to see that support disappear based on the SNPs 'Neverland' economic policies and plans

I'd say it's not to a lesser degree tbh. If there ever was a united Oireland, the NI and Eire economies would go to shit within a couple of years. The UK spends billions topping up the NI economy and security infrastructure. Oireland could not afford it.

Exactly so and there lies the big issue.
Personally I would love to see Eire take NI on, but the NI debt would actually bankrupt the Republic..

Nationalism can only go so far, but chucking good money after bad would be financial suicide, and let's face it, it would not be like the reunification of Germany where the affluent post war West who were given so much capital and resource from the US, to the impoverished communist East German bloc, 1 DM on parity with 1 mark....

TBH nationalism doesn't really come into it. The only people that really want a united Oireland are nationalists/republicans in NI and a few die hard nationalists in Eire that are in the absolute minority. Most people in modern Oireland don't really care about a united Oireland - particularly now the economy is back slightly on the rise, people are not keen on anything that might cut into the money they can spend on holidays, cars and Starbucks etc... yep, as a nation we are THAT fickle and shallow.

Yeah I know, when I was working over in Waterford at ESB for 6 months back in 2009 the economy was on its knees, a massive partly built hotel over the river was derelict due to the overheated Celtic Tiger, tough times when your version of Question Time speculated on young Irish graduates having to emigrate to gain employment...
Mind you it would not be the first time your lot had to pack yer bags!....


Used to love the crazy Kilkennys and Waterford paint the cliff over the water in their respective colours, how the fuck they managed that I still do not know....

Strangely quiet on this shit thread this morning... given the vote yesterday...

Herd wrote:No the charity bet is my idea i called you out bet or no bet ??

Seems like my lack of participation in this thread has saved you a few quid. I don't need the excuse of a debate to give money to charity mind.

It is amazing the lengths people will go to in order to prove a point. You remind me of my old father in law Herd, he talked a load of crap too.

DB10GOONER wrote:Strangely quiet on this shit thread this morning... given the vote yesterday...

rage...anger...boooo...*word censored*...bottom...money...rage, etc..

Herd wrote:Europe sells much more to us than we sell to it ,that puts us in the driving seat !
We only need to make a deal with Germany and France and the rest will fall into line ,thats how the EU works!
Crazy deals with the Chinese ? What like selling them the national grid ,ooops allready done that !
I dont want to make a deal with bulgaria,romania and the other leech states !
Nigel Farage isnt an MP and isnt in the Government how could he make any statments regarding the NHS ?
Out of the Eu we could ;
declare patents void on drugs dramatically reducing costs of prescriptions
re-nationalise the NHS and get rid of the costly PFI schemes which are bankrupting us
Re nationalise the railways
make me leader for life
Legalise all drugs

Im all for It chaps !

Or suck up to the yanks and let them privatise our NHS through the backdoor. Of course their pharma companies will give us discounts on life saving drugs due to "the special relationship".

Nothing like being butt fucked by Trump ehh. I should imagine that is quite painful.

Anyone that thinks the Germans and French will be up for a Tariff free trade deal after the sound bites coming from TM is deluded. They will protect their interests as will we.

flash gunner wrote:The economy has risen again for the last 3 months by the same rate as the previous 3 months......... So the 2 quarters since June the economy has gone up, I thought it was a massive recession as soon as the Brexit vote happened

Ticking along nicely

"The economy has risen" what does that mean? Have you become an economic expert all of a sudden Flash?

More importantly, we haven't left the EU so we still have free trade, free movement of people etc. What exactly has changed since the referendum? I will tell you nothing.

When we leave the EU 2 years after the enactment of article 50, lets take a look then. The fact we are sucking up to the yanks, shows how desperate we are to prove to the Europeans we don't need them.

nut flush gooner wrote:

flash gunner wrote:The economy has risen again for the last 3 months by the same rate as the previous 3 months......... So the 2 quarters since June the economy has gone up, I thought it was a massive recession as soon as the Brexit vote happened

Ticking along nicely

"The economy has risen" what does that mean? Have you become an economic expert all of a sudden Flash?

More importantly, we haven't left the EU so we still have free trade, free movement of people etc. What exactly has changed since the referendum? I will tell you nothing.

When we leave the EU 2 years after the enactment of article 50, lets take a look then. The fact we are sucking up to the yanks, shows how desperate we are to prove to the Europeans we don't need them.

I find it amusing you get so bent out of shape about "sucking up to the yanks". You are gonna have to suck up to someone be it the Americans, the Europeans, or the Chinese. Does it really matter who it is?

DB10GOONER wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

flash gunner wrote:The economy has risen again for the last 3 months by the same rate as the previous 3 months......... So the 2 quarters since June the economy has gone up, I thought it was a massive recession as soon as the Brexit vote happened

Ticking along nicely

"The economy has risen" what does that mean? Have you become an economic expert all of a sudden Flash?

More importantly, we haven't left the EU so we still have free trade, free movement of people etc. What exactly has changed since the referendum? I will tell you nothing.

When we leave the EU 2 years after the enactment of article 50, lets take a look then. The fact we are sucking up to the yanks, shows how desperate we are to prove to the Europeans we don't need them.

I find it amusing you get so bent out of shape about "sucking up to the yanks". You are gonna have to suck up to someone be it the Americans, the Europeans, or the Chinese. Does it really matter who it is?

You are correct, but we have to do a lot of sucking up to make sure that graph doesn't fall off the edge of a cliff imo. The majority of people on this thread think we are negotiating from a position of power, but every country we try to do a deal with will want something in return. For instance the Indians have said they want freedom of movement into the UK. Now where have I heard that before!

I am gutted I didn't read Herd's posts in it's entirety, would have been fun to nominate a charity .

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Europe sells much more to us than we sell to it ,that puts us in the driving seat !
We only need to make a deal with Germany and France and the rest will fall into line ,thats how the EU works!
Crazy deals with the Chinese ? What like selling them the national grid ,ooops allready done that !
I dont want to make a deal with bulgaria,romania and the other leech states !
Nigel Farage isnt an MP and isnt in the Government how could he make any statments regarding the NHS ?
Out of the Eu we could ;
declare patents void on drugs dramatically reducing costs of prescriptions
re-nationalise the NHS and get rid of the costly PFI schemes which are bankrupting us
Re nationalise the railways
make me leader for life
Legalise all drugs

Im all for It chaps !

Or suck up to the yanks and let them privatise our NHS through the backdoor. Of course their pharma companies will give us discounts on life saving drugs due to "the special relationship".

Nothing like being butt fucked by Trump ehh. I should imagine that is quite painful.

Anyone that thinks the Germans and French will be up for a Tariff free trade deal after the sound bites coming from TM is deluded. They will protect their interests as will we.

unfortunately the nhs has been privatized through the backdoor via the disastrous pfi which labour started and are costing us billions .