THE WENGER THREAD

[Steve_I]

Nice to see Steve-I and SteveO fully aligned on this one

ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER



Don't listen to 'em Stevie boy ! Win tomorrow and its 10 points clear of 5th......and I for one will be giving myself the Valentine's gift of some 'me time' dreaming about Pireus in December

I have always been aware of your love of the great man and am reassured to see that you're still planning the BBQ.

[Steve_I]

So beyond the normal puerile attempts at wumming, our ever decreasing band of inarticulate AW supporters are unable to come up with a cohesive argument to defend our lord and saviour.

Every single one of the desperate crutches they have used over time to justify his continued tenure at our club have been removed and they can no longer find even a modicum of reasonable argument to defend him, disappointed for them to say the least

This is perhaps the closest to delusional content than anything you accuse folk like me of. lol

I need not try an convince you because you have already decided I won't. Likewise I have yet to see a convincing argument the other way - simply because you believe the tosh you spout is true, doesn't make it so.

I stick by posts I made here a few years ago and will bump them in another few years to show I have been consistent and was correct. Arsene will not be in place when I repost it (probably) but that is not a problem as you seem to believe it will be to people like me. I remain in the majority, although you can't see it. Nothing I can do about that.

It matters not who the manager is or isn't in the future I will support them. I remain an "AKB" and so shall it ever be until he is replaced. If he doesn't know best then he wouldn't be there, one of you would - and you're not. LOL

Keep clutching the straws fella, you just never know.

(if this winds you up I do not apologise - the problem lies with you not me)

[Steve_I]

So beyond the normal puerile attempts at wumming, our ever decreasing band of inarticulate AW supporters are unable to come up with a cohesive argument to defend our lord and saviour.

Every single one of the desperate crutches they have used over time to justify his continued tenure at our club have been removed and they can no longer find even a modicum of reasonable argument to defend him, disappointed for them to say the least

This is perhaps the closest to delusional content than anything you accuse folk like me of. lol

I need not try an convince you because you have already decided I won't. Likewise I have yet to see a convincing argument the other way - simply because you believe the tosh you spout is true, doesn't make it so.

I stick by posts I made here a few years ago and will bump them in another few years to show I have been consistent and was correct. Arsene will not be in place when I repost it (probably) but that is not a problem as you seem to believe it will be to people like me. I remain in the majority, although you can't see it. Nothing I can do about that.

It matters not who the manager is or isn't in the future I will support them. I remain an "AKB" and so shall it ever be until he is replaced. If he doesn't know best then he wouldn't be there, one of you would - and you're not. LOL

Keep clutching the straws fella, you just never know.

(if this winds you up I do not apologise - the problem lies with you not me)

[rodders999]

Try not to double post for fuck sake it's bad enough having to read that shite once.

[GoonerMuzz]

Steve-I I asked for a reasoned argument under the current circumstances as to why you believe he should remain manager, not to be convinced that i am wrong.

I'm still waiting.

As of now, 11 years without a sustained challenge in the league or successful progression into the latter stages of the CL.
Successive failure to attract sufficient talent to provide a sustained challenge.
Recurrent injuries to players season after season under his management and training methods.
Recurrent inability to adjust tactically to the situation on the pitch when things go wrong.
Over-seeing of some of the worst results in the modern era of the clubs history since his last league wining season
Repeatedly rewarding under-performing or blatantly not good enough players with contract renewals, extensions and pay rises.

In my mind and many others on here the above list is more than enough for him to be sacked yet you claim he is still the right man for the job so i'm genuinely asking you why?

[rodders999]

Why wait? Bump those posts now, I could do with the fucking laugh

[falkirk goon]

Try not to double post for fuck sake it's bad enough having to read that shite once.

[Wilson]

Wenger was once the Pep Gaurdiola/Diego Simione/Jurgen Klopp of football, back in the early 2000's Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, France - they all wanted him.

Sadly with time, Wenger has failed to adapt and reinvent himself against the backdrop of a changing landscape, and has been exposed horribly.

Like that guy in the office who winces at having to use a smart tablet rather than a word processor when typing an email.

As Charles Darwin said, 'evolve, or die'.

[Ikechukwu1]

So beyond the normal puerile attempts at wumming, our ever decreasing band of inarticulate AW supporters are unable to come up with a cohesive argument to defend our lord and saviour.

Every single one of the desperate crutches they have used over time to justify his continued tenure at our club have been removed and they can no longer find even a modicum of reasonable argument to defend him, disappointed for them to say the least

This is perhaps the closest to delusional content than anything you accuse folk like me of. lol

I need not try an convince you because you have already decided I won't. Likewise I have yet to see a convincing argument the other way - simply because you believe the tosh you spout is true, doesn't make it so.

I stick by posts I made here a few years ago and will bump them in another few years to show I have been consistent and was correct. Arsene will not be in place when I repost it (probably) but that is not a problem as you seem to believe it will be to people like me. I remain in the majority, although you can't see it. Nothing I can do about that.

It matters not who the manager is or isn't in the future I will support them. I remain an "AKB" and so shall it ever be until he is replaced. If he doesn't know best then he wouldn't be there, one of you would - and you're not. LOL

Keep clutching the straws fella, you just never know.

(if this winds you up I do not apologise - the problem lies with you not me)

Good Lord. The argumentation of a true turd-brain. I mean here we have an exemplary classic example of why the AKB is so comically detached from reality
"If he doesn't know best then he wouldn't still be there"

Wow. Quantitative bollocks, qualitatively pathetic.
No facts, no actual arguments to back up a farcical position, no statistical anomalies to show some exceptions for his dear Cult leader, no major trophies to point to, no analysis of actual management. Just a mere imbecilic analysis any toddler could have made in a playground anywhere in the country:
"I'm right because it just is".
Wow.

This is exactly the kind of hilarious bollocks a Scientologist nutjob will come out with when you ask them to demonstrate a factually coherent argument as to why their faith has merit. No facts, no coherent argument just a blind window-licking stream of excrement.

Using Mr Steve I's Sciento-logic, the following people are still "best for the job" merely by virtue of "still being in it":

Robert Mugabe
Basher Al-Assad of Syria
The head of the FIFA Ethics Committee
Louis Van Gaal
The head of Shell who've just seen their worst financial performance in over 30 years.

These people are all still in their jobs. Therefore "they are the best for them"

Maybe next time skyving Tracy from accounts has her annual pay review she could argue that she deserves a promotion merely for "being the best around as I'm still in the job"

I'm glad Steve I has merely confirmed that AKBs continue to floss their teeth with Lord A-hole's filthy thong...

[CloakedGooner]

So beyond the normal puerile attempts at wumming, our ever decreasing band of inarticulate AW supporters are unable to come up with a cohesive argument to defend our lord and saviour.

Every single one of the desperate crutches they have used over time to justify his continued tenure at our club have been removed and they can no longer find even a modicum of reasonable argument to defend him, disappointed for them to say the least

I posted many such pro-Wenger arguments when I joined the forum, and didn't get many anti-Wenger arguments put to me to make me change my mind. I'm still convinced of my position, and could go over all these arguments again but what's the point? I used to just get shouted down and abused anyway

Although I will say that this is the first year where we will have any right to criticise the manager for not winning the title (if he doesn't). Up until now he has done well to keep up with the oil teams and we haven't done any worse than where we should finish in the league relative to what we spend compared to them. However, these teams have imploded due to the freak nature of this season. It's now a fair playing field for the other teams and we absolutely have to take advantage of it. If we lose the league to Leicester or spuds, then you can have a fair go at him, but not before

[begeegs]

Although I will say that this is the first year where we will have any right to criticise the manager for not winning the title (if he doesn't). Up until now he has done well to keep up with the oil teams and we haven't done any worse than where we should finish in the league relative to what we spend compared to them. However, these teams have imploded due to the freak nature of this season. It's now a fair playing field for the other teams and we absolutely have to take advantage of it. If we lose the league to Leicester or spuds, then you can have a fair go at him, but not before

If anything, this year has blown that particular argument away. People here would hold up Atletico Madrid or Borussia Dortmund as examples, but were told that they were weaker or even different leagues. Well, this year, that hasn't been the case. Leicester have hardly spent anything, so no one can say anything about the new television deal either. If they win this afternoon, Wenger should walk, but we know that he won't. He has now become part of the establishment where once he was the revolutionary.

We have had enough money for transfers and wages to win or challenge for a title for the past 12 years since we won it last. We have had enough money to get further than the first knock out stages in the CL for a while. 19 years and one final is abysmal.

And when we don't win it this year, are you going to join the WOB brigade or will you do what others do - ie - LaughingGooner saying that he will be angry as anyone if we didn't buy anyone in the transfer window. When we didn't have a groundbreaking window, he hasn't really been around. Funny that.

[Wilson]

The argument our players have limitations relative to our rivals, and thus Wenger is doing a good job 'considering', is just rubbish.

We have some of the best players in Europe playing for us. Sanchez and Ozil are global superstars. Then you have others top players like Cech, Kosicleny, Bellerin, Monreal, Coquelin and we should have an expectation to win the league. Especially this year!!

Although Wenger is very good at managing expectations, and keeping the bar low enough for him to jump. Wenger very sneakily redefined expectations around 2006 in terms of simply making the top 4. He had the political capital to move the goal posts as it was only two years after 2004, we had just moved stadium, and Chelsea had their new found spending power. The leeway and lower expectations Arsenal fans afforded during the 'rebuilding' phase was supposed to last only a couple of years. However, 12 years on, and Wenger still milking it for all its worth.

He cant keep finishing 3rd or 4th and accepting it. Maybe finishing second in a normal season might be considered a success. However, there really is no way to succeed this season without the league title.

If he doesnt win it this year, the failure should demoralize him so much, that he couldn't continue. However, such is Wenger frame of mind and passive attitude. He could fail this year and carry on as if a MASSIVE opportunity wasnt seized upon, and carry on with his business as usual and his 'whats everyone so worried about' approach.

[CloakedGooner]

Although I will say that this is the first year where we will have any right to criticise the manager for not winning the title (if he doesn't). Up until now he has done well to keep up with the oil teams and we haven't done any worse than where we should finish in the league relative to what we spend compared to them. However, these teams have imploded due to the freak nature of this season. It's now a fair playing field for the other teams and we absolutely have to take advantage of it. If we lose the league to Leicester or spuds, then you can have a fair go at him, but not before

If anything, this year has blown that particular argument away. People here would hold up Atletico Madrid or Borussia Dortmund as examples, but were told that they were weaker or even different leagues. Well, this year, that hasn't been the case. Leicester have hardly spent anything, so no one can say anything about the new television deal either. If they win this afternoon, Wenger should walk, but we know that he won't. He has now become part of the establishment where once he was the revolutionary.

We have had enough money for transfers and wages to win or challenge for a title for the past 12 years since we won it last. We have had enough money to get further than the first knock out stages in the CL for a while. 19 years and one final is abysmal.

And when we don't win it this year, are you going to join the WOB brigade or will you do what others do - ie - LaughingGooner saying that he will be angry as anyone if we didn't buy anyone in the transfer window. When we didn't have a groundbreaking window, he hasn't really been around. Funny that.

Atl Madrid and Dortmund are great examples of a team taking advantage of the "rich boys" of their league having a crap season. This is exactly the type of opportunity we have this season, with the massive spending clubs Imploding. We absolutely have to take advantage of it, cos they will likely be back next season.
I'm absolutely convinced the manager will claim this title for us, and we can rub the noses of chav/city fans in it. We will have won it the proper way. But to to answer your question - yes I will stand shoulder to shoulder with most posters on here and give the manager stick as pissing our big chance away would be unforgivable, and would call his management (not his spending power) into severe question

[Perryashburtongroves]

I can't and never have understood all this: "can't compete with oil money" bollocks. If Wanker had even one ounce of ambition and backbone, he would have been in to the board demanding money for players. If he didn't do that, he's been negligent and lazy. If money was there and he didn't use it, he's been negligent, arrogant and guilty of gross misconduct. His position at the club has been untouchable since about 1997 and he could have used his power for good. If he had threaten to walk away without money to spend, he would have got the money, it would have been found. If he wanted players, he would have got them. Instead, he chose to use us as a pawn in his own egotistical, narcissistic, sociopathic plan. In the lower leagues, you often hear of managers putting their own money in for players or to cover wages for a player they want. I remember years ago that Brian Little at Hull was paying for part of his own players wages and petrol because needed to keep hold of them. Wanker is on £7.5m a year, £7.5m and for the last 12 years, this man has done nothing but take, take, take from the club. He has taken for his own selfish ends, used us like a personal toy and now treats the fans like ungrateful peasants who should bow down and appreciate his own God complex.

My utter disgust for this man is total. He is a fraud, a charlatan, a modern day, Marie Antoinette, snake oil salesman. He is the selfish, arrogant face of 21st Century, unaccountable professional football.

[CloakedGooner]

I can't and never have understood all this: "can't compete with oil money" bollocks. If Wanker had even one ounce of ambition and backbone, he would have been in to the board demanding money for players. If he didn't do that, he's been negligent and lazy. If money was there and he didn't use it, he's been negligent, arrogant and guilty of gross misconduct. His position at the club has been untouchable since about 1997 and he could have used his power for good. If he had threaten to walk away without money to spend, he would have got the money, it would have been found. If he wanted players, he would have got them. Instead, he chose to use us as a pawn in his own egotistical, narcissistic, sociopathic plan. In the lower leagues, you often hear of managers putting their own money in for players or to cover wages for a player they want. I remember years ago that Brian Little at Hull was paying for part of his own players wages and petrol because needed to keep hold of them. Wanker is on £7.5m a year, £7.5m and for the last 12 years, this man has done nothing but take, take, take from the club. He has taken for his own selfish ends, used us like a personal toy and now treats the fans like ungrateful peasants who should bow down and appreciate his own God complex.

My utter disgust for this man is total. He is a fraud, a charlatan, a modern day, Marie Antoinette, snake oil salesman. He is the selfish, arrogant face of 21st Century, unaccountable professional football.

But if he had demanded all kinds of funds, then it could have caused catastrophic consequences given our financial situation at the time. With the stadium to pay off, it would have been ridiculous to upset the barrel. He gave us stability at a time we needed that more than anything. Had we been reckless, we could have had a huge fall like Leeds or Rangers who chased the dream without having the money to do so. I firmly believe his priority at the time was to make sure the club survive the huge financial restraints of paying back the stadium as well as keeping chavs etc within our grasp. That was more important at the time than chasing glory, and thank goodness he made the right call