THE WENGER THREAD

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gunner_ace
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Re: Forget the Wenger hate, and admit its a great turnaround

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I see what some of you are saying with the fact we shouldnt have got into this position in the first Place and yes that predicament lies square at Wengers door. However I am genuinely optimistic about this particular team more so then I have about any other over the last 5 years and I really think the trophy drought will be finished next season. But thats just me I guess.

I have always been on and off the fence with regards to Wenger usually depending on how many times ive visited the OG forum that week, and I admit I have probably been quite vocal in calling for him to leave after a string of bad results. However I have softened my stance somewhat after seeing my father in law, a 60 something year old balling his eyes out as he sees his beloved Port Vale on the cusp of folding any week now. The word from inside the club is that it is definitely going to happen and now him and all of his mates have had to now select another team that they are going to support when the inevitable happens. They can’t support Stoke as they are rivals, so the next best thing for him is Newcastle Under Lyme. Can any of you here imagine having to do that?

Anyway my point is that when my father in-law hears me moan about Wenger he said he would swap places with me in a heart beat and Arsenal fans don’t know how lucky they are to have such a stable team. And you know what he’s right.

So anyway all im doing is pouring my recent thoughts out into print so please don’t label me as one of those AKB’s we love to hate so much, but rather I would now class myself as a BWK or rather a Better the Wenger you Know type of supporter. And anyway come next week I may be back to wielding a pitchfork calling for his head. Just depends on which one of you lot can get to me first. Ha ha

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Re: Forget the Wenger hate, and admit its a great turnaround

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Let's see if he starts Ramsey over Rosicky next match.

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you cannot compare arsenal to port vale, thats the classic akb (not suggesting you are) ruse, in using one extreme, ie we would go out of business if we dared spend a bean, as justification for AW not touching his transfer kitty.

as for better the wenger you know, well why are people scared of change so much?? if you have something that doesnt work properly, you go out and get a replacement and try an alternative to see if it works better than the original, rather than making do with what you have.

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the playing mantis wrote:you cannot compare arsenal to port vale, thats the classic akb (not suggesting you are) ruse, in using one extreme, ie we would go out of business if we dared spend a bean, as justification for AW not touching his transfer kitty.

as for better the wenger you know, well why are people scared of change so much?? if you have something that doesnt work properly, you go out and get a replacement and try an alternative to see if it works better than the original, rather than making do with what you have.


This x 100. For the life of me I cannot understand the thinking of otherwise intelligent people when they compare our demands for quality investment with the cases of Leeds,Pompey & now port vale :shock: we are a club that has made profits in most of the recent transfer windows, we sell out a 60k stadium every week and are one of the big clubs in Europe. We are not asking for the club to empty the bank accounts on a transfer frenzy but do expected investment befitting a club of our size and wealth.

As for the loyalty to wenger for fear of the unknown then that type of argument can only come from a fan who has only ever known our club under wenger cos any of us older guys can recall success under other managers. Making an argument like that is the same as making the same case for a player like almunia - we know he is not great but what happens if we replace him and get a mannone type of replacement ? Why not accept that we should aim higher and strive to get a chesney or Lehman quality replacement ? It's called ambition people

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And similairly when we hear apologists say stuff like - "we cant compete with the likes of Man City, Chelski, Manure because of the finances thy have available to them"
What utter nonsense because nowhere have I heard, read, even a sniff of any of the Wenger Out Brigade saying such nonsense about competing financially with them.
What I have heard them say is that investment in a couple of quality experienced players alongside the youth this past few years would undoubtedly have led to us winning at laest one trophy.
There would be no WOBARMY had Wenger invested in a few quality experienced players year on year,(what everyone was crying out for) instead of p issing it all away on "prospects".
Wengers project has failed. FFS even he has realised that but he's too much of an arrogant, greedy, self-obsessed, stubborn, annoying :censored: to admit it.
Wenger Out!

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supergeorgegraham wrote:Yes its a great turnaround. Only thing to watch now is what he does with players like Chamkah and Djourou who need replacing.
Loved the passion tonight it seemed to have left the club for a long long time. Best win of the season IMO because Newcastle were as hard as nails.
Well Djourou has got another contract so that speaks volumes.

Re this turnaround, as much as I don't hate Wenger as much as you lot am with you that he deserves no credit, it is us fans that go to games not those who sit on message boards crying that deserves the credit.

After Wolves at home, Fulham and Swansea away the players knew that this comfort zone was no more and since then they have fought for every ball and turned it around for which we all deserve credit for, the atmosphere in the ground has picked up as a result and the players have responded.

They knew that people were not happy, Wenger never waived any magic wand.

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Put it this way,if. I walked into your house and took a huge dump on
Your living room carpet I doubt you would be impressed. If after a week
I returned to clean it up, would you think I was a great guy or still think
I was a monumental asshole

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the playing mantis wrote:you cannot compare arsenal to port vale, thats the classic akb (not suggesting you are) ruse, in using one extreme, ie we would go out of business if we dared spend a bean, as justification for AW not touching his transfer kitty.

as for better the wenger you know, well why are people scared of change so much?? if you have something that doesnt work properly, you go out and get a replacement and try an alternative to see if it works better than the original, rather than making do with what you have.
ha ha im not scared of change, like I said a month without the OG or G2G as its known now has radically softened my stance. Give it 2 more weeks and ill be breathing fire again.

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Re: Forget the Wenger hate, and admit its a great turnaround

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greengooner wrote:Put it this way,if. I walked into your house and took a huge dump on
Your living room carpet I doubt you would be impressed. If after a week
I returned to clean it up, would you think I was a great guy or still think
I was a monumental asshole

THIS THIS THIS :barscarf:

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Nice to see that the team are getting the credit they deserve....... :wink: I dont think it takes a genius to work out that once our Full Backs came back to fitness the overall shape of the team improved massively.

For months we have had -

Koscielny is a poor player- disproven, he is an excellent defender and the potential that i and some others saw has been fufilled

We wont beat a top four side - Chelsea, Liverpool beaten on their own patch, City given a tough game, Spuds thrashed at home

We have no fight and determination - we i think the last four or five games as shown that the team has learnt in this regard.


We had massive, massive problems at the start of this season - some Wengers doing - some not. The only way we were ever going to get top four is if we showed some steel, some spirit and some determination.....quite frankly thats what i adore about Arsenal the most.......fighting when everbody else has written us off - look through our History - its full of it.

Will i be happy if we are top 4? Il be fucking ecstatic, because Il know that we had to fight for it, and we showed the spirit and determination that is a MINIMUM requirement to be a Gooner but in my opinion, hasnt been shown for 3 or 4 years now.

People get on Rosickys back........the guy has basically epitomised all of the above - obviously he needs to do this over a period of time now, but he has been superb.

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Nice to see that the team are getting the credit they deserve....... :wink: I dont think it takes a genius to work out that once our Full Backs came back to fitness the overall shape of the team improved massively.

For months we have had -

Koscielny is a poor player- disproven, he is an excellent defender and the potential that i and some others saw has been fufilled

We wont beat a top four side - Chelsea, Liverpool beaten on their own patch, City given a tough game, Spuds thrashed at home

We have no fight and determination - we i think the last four or five games as shown that the team has learnt in this regard.


We had massive, massive problems at the start of this season - some Wengers doing - some not. The only way we were ever going to get top four is if we showed some steel, some spirit and some determination.....quite frankly thats what i adore about Arsenal the most.......fighting when everbody else has written us off - look through our History - its full of it.

Will i be happy if we are top 4? Il be ******* ecstatic, because Il know that we had to fight for it, and we showed the spirit and determination that is a MINIMUM requirement to be a Gooner but in my opinion, hasnt been shown for 3 or 4 years now.

People get on Rosickys back........the guy has basically epitomised all of the above - obviously he needs to do this over a period of time now, but he has been superb.
Playing devils advocat here bdb, but wht will you say if we lose at Everton then slip back into our usual end of season form, thus missing out on clge, Rosicky back to his couldn't care less attitude of the last few seasons, yet rewarded with a new contract.
Why is it that people are so willing to forgive and forget the humiliations this team and manager have put us through, on the basis of 3 f******g games.

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Re: Forget the Wenger hate, and admit its a great turnaround

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Nice to see that the team are getting the credit they deserve....... :wink: I dont think it takes a genius to work out that once our Full Backs came back to fitness the overall shape of the team improved massively.

For months we have had -

Koscielny is a poor player- disproven, he is an excellent defender and the potential that i and some others saw has been fufilled

We wont beat a top four side - Chelsea, Liverpool beaten on their own patch, City given a tough game, Spuds thrashed at home

We have no fight and determination - we i think the last four or five games as shown that the team has learnt in this regard.


We had massive, massive problems at the start of this season - some Wengers doing - some not. The only way we were ever going to get top four is if we showed some steel, some spirit and some determination.....quite frankly thats what i adore about Arsenal the most.......fighting when everbody else has written us off - look through our History - its full of it.

Will i be happy if we are top 4? Il be ******* ecstatic, because Il know that we had to fight for it, and we showed the spirit and determination that is a MINIMUM requirement to be a Gooner but in my opinion, hasnt been shown for 3 or 4 years now.

People get on Rosickys back........the guy has basically epitomised all of the above - obviously he needs to do this over a period of time now, but he has been superb.


I agree with a lot of what you are saying bdb (mind you the scousers arent actually a top 4 team :wink: ) but the reality is that this turnaround is, so far at least, only short term. I want to see how this team responds when their backs are to the wall in some shit hole like stoke - if this team has really turned a corner then they need to show it in more than 4 or 5 games and at this stage that is what we are all hoping for.

You say that you will be ecstatic if we finish top 4 but I have to admit that I wont be - have you ever seen a season where the standard at the top end has been so poor ? What does it say for us that in a season where all our rivals have been muck we still aint able to challenge for the league ? Is finishing in any position behind the scum classed as a reason to be ecstatic ? For me aiming to be just top 4 is totally unacceptable but sadly thats where the modern day AFC put themselves

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Thing is though lads, at the start of the season did you think we had a chance of the title? I certainly didnt.

To go from getting pasted 8-2 to closing in on third place is a massive turnaround and should be applauded in my opinion, especially given we have had arguably our key player (Wilshire) and all our full-backs missing.

I will be pleased with 4th this year......but i totally agree it will mean nothing if we dont use this season as a lesson to push on and grow.

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We are near to 3rd at the moment but could still end up 5th just as easily. I'll reserve my congratulations for the end of the season as this team has crumbled more than the white cliffs of Dover. NOTHING is guaranteed yet.
It appears that for some reason the players have started to care, quite why they haven't bothered for most of the season up till now is a much more worrying question imo.

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TeeCee wrote: It appears that for some reason the players have started to care, quite why they haven't bothered for most of the season up till now is a much more worrying question imo.
Perhaps because they've been out injured for most of it? Bit hard to look bothered on the pitch when you're not even on it!

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