The Board-Finance-Kroenke

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northbank123 wrote:But come May when we scrape 4th we'll hear about how this summer will definitely be different, Wenger will realise the mistakes he made last summer and Ozil signifies our future policy. Considering how the fundamental criticism of anti-Wengerites is generally that they lack perspective and are impatient, the number of people who expressed serious reservations about a new deal for him after the Villa game but now want him to sign for life again is undoubtedly massive.
We've signed a world star, so if Wenger signs a new deal and gets 4th (at least) most will consider it a successful season. I am more optimistic than I was about where we're going but we should've really made a statement of intent by adding Higuain and A N Other in defence/between the sticks.

As we are, I fear we'll fall off again once the injuries really bite.

BTW, just read your comment on the Guardian (assume it's you) giving it both barrels to the morons defending Pubis/Shawcock - classic 8)

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officepest wrote:
northbank123 wrote:But come May when we scrape 4th we'll hear about how this summer will definitely be different, Wenger will realise the mistakes he made last summer and Ozil signifies our future policy. Considering how the fundamental criticism of anti-Wengerites is generally that they lack perspective and are impatient, the number of people who expressed serious reservations about a new deal for him after the Villa game but now want him to sign for life again is undoubtedly massive.
We've signed a world star, so if Wenger signs a new deal and gets 4th (at least) most will consider it a successful season. I am more optimistic than I was about where we're going but we should've really made a statement of intent by adding Higuain and A N Other in defence/between the sticks.

As we are, I fear we'll fall off again once the injuries really bite.

BTW, just read your comment on the Guardian (assume it's you) giving it both barrels to the morons defending Pubis/Shawcock - classic 8)
Don't think I can take credit for that mate, not too sure what you're on about.

I agree that we're in somewhat better shape than 12 months ago but it's still just not good enough. "Statements of intent" mean nowt and it's exactly the sort of talk that's got Wenger by unscathed for years - as if telling or showing everyone that we intend to improve actually matters.

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officepest wrote:We've signed a world star, so if Wenger signs a new deal and gets 4th (at least) most will consider it a successful season.
I've said it before, Ozil was all a huge ploy to push through a new contract for Wenger.

A week before the end of August, the knives were out for AW more than they ever have been before from fans, the press etc. A disastrous transfer window, opening day defeat, youtube vids of fans rounding on AW/Gazidis/Kroenke. What better way to stem the tide? Sign a world-class player, albeit one we don't actually really need. So we sign Ozil, a very good player don't get me wrong, and suddenly the moronic Arsenal sheep have forgiven everything. It's all "one Arsene Wenger" again and cries from the club of how vital a role Stan Kroenke played in signing Ozil :? Do me a favour, you think he knew who Mesut Ozil was on August 15th?

If someone had said to you on the day the transfer window opened "We're gonna sign Mesut Ozil and an injured postman from Ligue 2", would you have been pleased with that? So why all the wanking over it now?

Ozil, whilst a good player, should have been pretty low down on our list of priorities, not our main signing (or really our only signing, discounting Yaya). A top striker, DM and defensive cover were all much more important than another technical midfielder and neither Kroenke or Gazidis pushed Wenger to address any of these points as a real boss should have. But of course as we all knew, and has been pretty much confirmed this week, Wenger runs this club. Every single aspect of it.

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NB123 - Apologies, must be someone else's rant with the same username as you, it was a quality put down though :)

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Dan_85 wrote:Ozil, whilst a good player, should have been pretty low down on our list of priorities, not our main signing (or really our only signing, discounting Yaya). A top striker, DM and defensive cover were all much more important than another technical midfielder and neither Kroenke or Gazidis pushed Wenger to address any of these points as a real boss should have. But of course as we all knew, and has been pretty much confirmed this week, Wenger runs this club. Every single aspect of it.
I agree that Özil is the marketing team's wet dream and, to a lesser extent, agree that he wasn't top priority, however he's such a good player that I don't think we could have not moved for him. He is also young enough to outlast Wenger's tenure (Bergkamp/Rioch) and will hopefully kick-start a challenge for some fucking trophies.

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Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke accused of failing to meet supporters' groups

Arsenal's owner, Stan Kroenke, will this week come under pressure for reneging on promises made when he bought the club in a £731m deal, with supporters' groups accusing him of failing to schedule a single meeting with them in more than two years.

Before Thursday's annual meeting at the Emirates four of the main fan groups have written to Kroenke to remind him of the pledge he made in his formal offer document to make it "a priority to meet with supporters and fan groups in formal and informal settings".

The Arsenal Independent Supporters Association, the Arsenal Supporters Trust, the Black Scarf Movement and REDaction wrote a joint letter to Kroenke last month reiterating their belief that it was important to have a dialogue with the owner. Given the lack of response, a question has been tabled on the matter at the AGM.

In the formal offer document Kroenke made a firm commitment to meet fans and his failure to do so has prompted some to consider reporting him to the takeover panel for reneging on his commitment. "Mr Kroenke has made it a priority to meet with supporters and fan groups in formal and informal settings. He recognises that fans are at the heart of the club. Their opinions and involvement are important to him," said the clause, before his April 2011 takeover.

"Mr Kroenke fully expects himself, the Arsenal directors and club executives to continue to engage with supporters for the long-term health of the club"

Although there is more of a feelgood factor around the club following the signing of Mesut Özil and good early-season form, the four main Arsenal supporters groups remain deeply concerned about Kroenke's refusal to engage meaningfully in any way and his effective neutering of the Fanshare supporter-ownership scheme.

The AST, which administers the Fanshare initiative, is believed to be particularly exercised about the future of the scheme. When it was launched, it was hailed by Arsenal's chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, the then sports minister, Hugh Robertson, and others as a potential role model for other clubs to engage better with supporters.

It envisaged fans owning a small portion of the club and with it the power to hold it to account on important issues and scrutinise its finances. In June 2012 the Arsenal Fanshare board asked Kroenke to sanction the creation of 125 new shares, 0.2% of the overall number, specifically for the Fanshare scheme.

The scheme, they said, had reached a "critical point" given the illiquid market for Arsenal shares, most of which are owned by Kroenke or Alisher Usmanov's Red & White. But there is not believed to have been any progress since and a long list of willing investors have been unable to purchase a portion of a share.

A club spokesman refused to say if Arsenal were committed to the scheme, saying only there that there were "ongoing discussions" over its future.

Concern over the future of the much touted Fanshare model reflects broader concern that the debate around meaningful fan representation in club boardrooms has lost its way since it was placed firmly on the political agenda by all three main parties before the 2010 election.

The mood at the AGM should be substantially less febrile than last year, when a perfect storm of lack of success on the pitch and concerns off it, over ambition and finances, prompted a hail of criticism.

Peter Hill-Wood, who stepped down as Arsenal's chairman earlier this year and handed the job to Sir Chips Keswick, was criticised for airily dismissing the concerns of supporters as the "same lot" and Arsène Wenger's insistence that reaching the Champions League counted as a "trophy" invited derision.

In a recent round of interviews Kroenke, previously criticised for his lack of profile, espoused his love for Arsenal and his support for Wenger, saying that he spent 30 to 40 days a year in London. Arsenal's majority owner also said his son, Josh, had become a huge Gooner and said he listened to fans. But the official fan groups say their relationship with him has been non-existent since he completed his takeover and there remain too many question marks over his long-term intentions.

An Arsenal spokesman said that they engaged with fans more than any other big club and that Kroenke delegated the task to his executives. "It's a well known factthat as a club we engage with our supporters more than any other major club. There are regular meetings with the chief executive and senior executives and ongoing dialogue at all levels," he said.

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Gazidis meets with fans four times per year minimuum, there is a fans panel with about 10 members who meet him before some home games.

Is it very important that Kroenke meets fans?

Personally I think the most effective thing would be for one person from each of the four main supporters groups to meet with Josh Kroenke and Ivan Gazidis a couple of times per year or for those four people to join the group that meets Gazidis.

Gazidis would be much better versed in the nuts and bolts of the club, of football in the UK, and of fan culture, than Kroenke.

He can then report back to the Kroenke's (father and son) and try to effect change.

I also suggest that is it not time for those four fans groups to merge?
One fans group would be a much more powerful voice than four.

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Stan Kroenke Arsenal Football Club
75 Drayton Park
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Dear Mr Kroenke
We are writing to you as representatives of the major supporter groups of Arsenal Football Club. While weall have different remits and ways of working, we share a collective passion for Arsenal and care deeply for its future success.
All of our organisations are run by people who volunteer their time to provide forums and structures thatboth represent Arsenal fans and work to make Arsenal a stronger club.
Supporters are integral to the success of any football club and if Arsenal are to move forward to greater success it will be by ensuring that fans feel valued by the club and have a sense of belonging.
We believe it is important that there is an opportunity for occasional dialogue directly with you, as majorityowner of Arsenal. This is both so we can report to you the main issues that our members have asked us put forward, and also to allow you to convey to us your vision and plans for the club which we can then reportback to our wider memberships and fans more generally.
During the takeover process you did make a welcome commitment in the formal offer document that yousaw these functions as important:
“Mr Kroenke has made it a priority to meet with supporters and fan groups in formal and informal settings.He recognises that fans are at the heart of the Club. Their opinions and involvement are important to him.Mr Kroenke fully expects himself, the Arsenal Directors and Club executives to continue to engage withsupporters for the long-term good of the Club”.
We hope that in the weeks prior to the Annual General Meeting, or during the period of the AGM itself,
you will find time to fulfil your commitment and personally meet with representatives of the undersigned supporter groups. We would very much welcome the chance to open a positive and mutually beneficial
dialogue.
We look forward to hearing from you.

Arsenal Independent Supporters Association (AISA) Arsenal Supporters’ Trust (AST)Black Scarf Movement (BSM)REDaction


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QuartzGooner wrote:Gazidis meets with fans four times per year minimuum, there is a fans panel with about 10 members who meet him before some home games.

Is it very important that Kroenke meets fans?

Personally I think the most effective thing would be for one person from each of the four main supporters groups to meet with Josh Kroenke and Ivan Gazidis a couple of times per year or for those four people to join the group that meets Gazidis.

Gazidis would be much better versed in the nuts and bolts of the club, of football in the UK, and of fan culture, than Kroenke.

He can then report back to the Kroenke's (father and son) and try to effect change.

I also suggest that is it not time for those four fans groups to merge?
One fans group would be a much more powerful voice than four.

Any and every request that the fans representatives would have at those meetings would have to be brought back to wiggy so what sort of satisfaction does any fan get out of that meeting ? Hasn't kroenke set up the meetings for exactly that reason ? People with limited powers can only make limited decisions and having these meetings is just another way of maintaining the pretence of listening to fans concerns :roll: :x
Regarding the question of how important it is that syrup himself attends the meetings, can I also add that the value of the importance is only 1 issue - fact is that he made a personal commitment to attend these meetings (not to send some lapdog) and when you break that commitment and when you avoid meeting those fans then it builds up a feeling of total distrust in him and his intentions.

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augie wrote: Any and every request that the fans representatives would have at those meetings would have to be brought back to wiggy so what sort of satisfaction does any fan get out of that meeting ?
Regarding the question of how important it is that syrup himself attends the meetings, can I also add that the value of the importance is only 1 issue - fact is that he made a personal commitment to attend these meetings (not to send some lapdog) and when you break that commitment and when you avoid meeting those fans then it builds up a feeling of total distrust in him and his intentions.
Stan Kroenke has met with fans though.
He has been at corporate events and fans have spoken to him.
He could chat to fans after the AGM.

I am not at all convinced of the relevance or feasability of meeting him on a regular basis.
He runs several sports franchises, and can anyone believe he knows loads about Arsenal?
Financially yes, but not in a sporting sense.
I think will have a grasp of the basics, but not the intricacies of tactics or the fan "experience".

I reckon much more productive to meet with Gazidis, who actually knows what it is like to be a regular fan (which he was before taking on his job with MLS).
Gazidis can spend the time with fans filtering out the waffle and getting to the core of issues.
Then he reports back and forth with Stan Kroenke with a prioritised presentation, and consequent feedback.
This should get the best out of Kroenke who surely must be ridiculously busy, and will want to hear from one focused person rather than ten or more fans all putting across their pet peeves?

As for Kroenke's long term intentions I know about as much as you do.
My guess is he is keeping his options open, and keeping the closest of eyes on the US Dollar and the American fiscal situation, and the importance of holding assets in other currencies and countries.

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If we could just add some more stuff about blogs on this thread I'm quite sure Flash would participate more on it...

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I for one am embarrassed to have Kroenke as our owner. For all the billions he owns and refuses to invest a penny into the club, we might as well have the guy who owns the convenience store in Wycombe as our owner.

Kroenke's other sporting franchises are all bland no-hopers. I don't want Arsenal to be another one.
The positive start we've had to this season has nothing at all to do with Kroenke.

I don't know him personally, but he strikes me as not a very pleasant man.

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Midz wrote:I for one am embarrassed to have Kroenke as our owner. For all the billions he owns and refuses to invest a penny into the club, we might as well have the guy who owns the convenience store in Wycombe as our owner.

Kroenke's other sporting franchises are all bland no-hopers. I don't want Arsenal to be another one.
The positive start we've had to this season has nothing at all to do with Kroenke.

I don't know him personally, but he strikes me as not a very pleasant man.


Kroenke



walmart



sweat shops

You think this guy is interested in spending proper money on his businesses ? :shock:

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Midz wrote:I for one am embarrassed to have Kroenke as our owner. For all the billions he owns and refuses to invest a penny into the club, we might as well have the guy who owns the convenience store in Wycombe as our owner.
Kroenke's other sporting franchises are all bland no-hopers. I don't want Arsenal to be another one.
The positive start we've had to this season has nothing at all to do with Kroenke.
I don't know him personally, but he strikes me as not a very pleasant man.
What a load of tripe, he has allready invested over 500 million quid to get only a controlling share .......for that he had to borrow money,yet you expect him to pour more money in ,get real fella .
You could blame the people who milked him on that one the shyster danny fizbang and the duffer hillwood .

BTW anyone who thinks fan protest will ruffle the feathers of the Arsenal aristocracy nee to thnink again after all they are all old etonians !


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Protest against Kroenke simply won't work. He didn't expect to be popular, he didn't expect to make us successful, and having to deal with a few potentially awkward questions once a year at the AGM is a small price to pay for his potential financial return. Fans could be burning effigies on Sky Sports News and I doubt news would even reach him.

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