NEWCASTLE GAME THREAD

[armchair]

Maybe you're right. Now is our time...........

[LDB]

How about living in the present rather than the past? Seems like you boys would have nothing to say unless it was justifying why you are all so bloody miserable. I don't think many have forgotten the last 8 seasons but most have managed to put it to one side and dared to dream. You are wasting a lot of energy predicting how our season will implode, whereas most would prefer to see if (when?) it actually happens before moaning. Let's hope the team don't have your boundless level of positivity.

Completely agree with you miles.

We are all passionate about Arsenal but some people seem to want to hang on to frustrations of the past as if they were some kind of personal slight against them. We were average for a while and now we seem to be improving. Don't get me wrong I've expressed my fair share of frustration on here over the years and am no superfan but the way some people carry on you'd think they'd been following chesterfield these last few years.

[armchair]

My views on Wenger were a long time in the making and Im afraid I cant just feel differently depending on how the wind blows. He should have walked or been sacked on numerous occasions and his lingering presence imo has kept us from winning or properly competing for actual trophys.

Course were happy to see us top and playing better. That doesnt mean that the cloud that is Wenger doesnt loom large over us too. Its not a nice place to be and believe me if I could "forget about the last 8 years and just be happy" I would.

I thik that groundhog season is a good description of recent years and when you have Man City fans and Newcastle fans laughing their tits off at our strikers then its a good indication that as in recent years Wenger has not done his job properly

[augie]

How about living in the present rather than the past? Seems like you boys would have nothing to say unless it was justifying why you are all so bloody miserable. I don't think many have forgotten the last 8 seasons but most have managed to put it to one side and dared to dream. You are wasting a lot of energy predicting how our season will implode, whereas most would prefer to see if (when?) it actually happens before moaning. Let's hope the team don't have your boundless level of positivity.

This kinda of comment just makes me laff - these comments come from the pro wenker camp and they tell us that we should forget the 8 years of failure but still want to keep a man in charge based on events even further back in history Make your minds up lads......either include all his history (inc failures) when assessing him or else just focus on the past 3 or 4 years in which case he would have received his p45 by now cos he ain't been good enough

Re the performance today, I have to say that I'm not that fussed about it cos we got the win but the substitutions were a disgrace and no 3pts can disguise that Unlike many of you, I have to say that I felt that flamoney was shit today and tiote pissed all over him He still shows the type of brain fart moments that will often result in penalties and red cards against us and he is too much of a loose cannon in tight games like this

The concerns re chesney are also refusing to go away - today he had another Napoli moment where his arrogance in dealing with a back pass almost cost us again and that is unacceptable. Another really scary moment for me is the way he called for a cross in the second half, BFG then pulled out of going for it only for chesney to flap at it and it needed sagna to rescue him

[father_ted]

Wether you are miserable all the time, akb or somewhere in between I think we can all agree that none of those are as bad as hoping we lose a wembley cup final. Nobody on this forum can be as bad as that, can they???

[MrT]

How about living in the present rather than the past? Seems like you boys would have nothing to say unless it was justifying why you are all so bloody miserable. I don't think many have forgotten the last 8 seasons but most have managed to put it to one side and dared to dream. You are wasting a lot of energy predicting how our season will implode, whereas most would prefer to see if (when?) it actually happens before moaning. Let's hope the team don't have your boundless level of positivity.

This kinda of comment just makes me laff - these comments come from the pro wenker camp and they tell us that we should forget the 8 years of failure but still want to keep a man in charge based on events even further back in history Make your minds up lads......either include all his history (inc failures) when assessing him or else just focus on the past 3 or 4 years in which case he would have received his p45 by now cos he ain't been good enough

Re the performance today, I have to say that I'm not that fussed about it cos we got the win but the substitutions were a disgrace and no 3pts can disguise that Unlike many of you, I have to say that I felt that flamoney was shit today and tiote pissed all over him He still shows the type of brain fart moments that will often result in penalties and red cards against us and he is too much of a loose cannon in tight games like this

The concerns re chesney are also refusing to go away - today he had another Napoli moment where his arrogance in dealing with a back pass almost cost us again and that is unacceptable. Another really scary moment for me is the way he called for a cross in the second half, BFG then pulled out of going for it only for chesney to flap at it and it needed sagna to rescue him

Exactly.

Ok milesgooner, if we win fuck all this season then what? Do we have the same exact conversation same time again next year? Then the year after etc etc and rinse and repeat. It's this sort of complacency which has kept a failed manager in a job for too long. I don't know anyone on here or outside that isn't happy at our situation at the moment but we have also been here many times before hence the current scepticism at our progress.

[milesgooner]

Once again you are missing the point. Last year I felt it was time for Wenger to go - he didn't, but I don't bang on about it every 5 minutes. I speak as I see (the present I believe). We are top of the league at the half way point. Do I think we will finish there - nope, but it's sure as hell as lot more entertaining than it was last year! You've dissected a good away win into 2 or 3 negative points.

[mcdowell42]

Wether you are miserable all the time, akb or somewhere in between I think we can all agree that none of those are as bad as hoping we lose a wembley cup final. Nobody on this forum can be as bad as that, can they???

I remember tht but not who posted it

[MrT]

Once again you are missing the point. Last year I felt it was time for Wenger to go - he didn't, but I don't bang on about it every 5 minutes. I speak as I see (the present I believe). We are top of the league at the half way point. Do I think we will finish there - nope, but it's sure as hell as lot more entertaining than it was last year! You've dissected a good away win into 2 or 3 negative points.

I'm buzzing after every hard fought away win simply because we rarely see this team get stuck in and grind out a result like that. I was just explaining how some have reached this point. Do I really need to bring up the embarrassing and humiliating moments of the last few years?

I've browsed this forum for a long time and not posted much but I can safely say most of the supposed negativity is based around humour and laughing at our problems, or lack of at the moment considering we are top of the league. I'm personally enjoying the ride but unless Wenger strengthens in January with a class striker then I don't see much room for continued optimism when the February crunch hits.

[MK Gould]

Thought we pretty much controlled the game today (barring the last 20 mins) despite never getting out of second gear. Great to see us winning just about every 50/50 and also winning the ball back on the numerous occasions when we'd given it away.

We were there, so didn't benefit from the views of the "experts", so can someone explain the substitutions? Can understand Jenkinson for Walcott to see out game... But to bring on Bendtner rather than Podolski? Maybe he is seen as better at holding the ball up and using up the clock (& there were only 8 mins left)? And then Arteta for Gibbs...(which coincided with Newcastle's best spell of the match)? Was Gibbs injured?

[russgoonergibson]

wengers lost the plot with regards to todays subs, yeah it worked and we got a fucking fantastic 3 points but nine times out of ten to try and park the bus with over ten mins left the other team scores, whats wengers problem with podolski, the guy is class and proved it again with goal and assist last game but even before his injury he hardly got played,

i dont think anyone can forget about the last 8 years shocking management by wenger and the board only intrested in making money for themselves, my non arsenal mates asking me if im happy now with wenger etc and the answer is no not really, cant just forget about the frustration of the last few years and what happens in feb march if we fall off the pace due to our squad still being too small, talks of going after cabaye in jan, wtf is that about, we need a top striker and cb not any more midfielders

end of the day was a great 3 points today going back last season etc that would have ended up a draw every day of the week, IF we were to go and buy a couple top players in jan then yeah ill start to think about the title but at presant if giroud gets injured unless podolski can step up(which he probally could) and or if tv5 goes elsewhere and we dont replace him it will prob end up the same old story

[cameron326]

Well there's a 100 professional teams in England that wouldn't mind being in our situation. World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. The last eight years have not been happy times and yeah we might not win the league this year - on paper Chelsea and City's squads are better - something to with them splashing half a billion a piece that we haven't had to splash. But still, I can't understand these whiny Arsenal fans when everything at the club is heading in the right direction: i repeat, World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. Add to that Splashing the funds on proven quality now we can.

[cameron326]

wengers lost the plot with regards to todays subs, yeah it worked and we got a fucking fantastic 3 points but nine times out of ten to try and park the bus with over ten mins left the other team scores, whats wengers problem with podolski, the guy is class and proved it again with goal and assist last game but even before his injury he hardly got played,

i dont think anyone can forget about the last 8 years shocking management by wenger and the board only intrested in making money for themselves, my non arsenal mates asking me if im happy now with wenger etc and the answer is no not really, cant just forget about the frustration of the last few years and what happens in feb march if we fall off the pace due to our squad still being too small, talks of going after cabaye in jan, wtf is that about, we need a top striker and cb not any more midfielders

end of the day was a great 3 points today going back last season etc that would have ended up a draw every day of the week, IF we were to go and buy a couple top players in jan then yeah ill start to think about the title but at presant if giroud gets injured unless podolski can step up(which he probally could) and or if tv5 goes elsewhere and we dont replace him it will prob end up the same old story

The sub invited pressure, but Newcastle didn't do much with it. As long as you can take what the opposition throws at you there's no harm in gong defensive. God knows we've conceded two three goal leads before at the death by not putting the emphasis on defence . We have a good defense now.

[TurnipMasher]

Well there's a 100 professional teams in England that wouldn't mind being in our situation. World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. The last eight years have not been happy times and yeah we might not win the league this year - on paper Chelsea and City's squads are better - something to with them splashing half a billion a piece that we haven't had to splash. But still, I can't understand these whiny Arsenal fans when everything at the club is heading in the right direction: i repeat, World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. Add to that Splashing the funds on proven quality now we can.

But were not just some other professional team, we are The Arsenal for fuck's sake, and we should have been aiming higher than frigging fourth.
I can almost guarantee when Wenger makes a complete mess of the Jan transfer window and we piss away our best chance of a decent season in years that you'll join the ranks of the whingers

I know it's a matter of opinion, but I feel Wenger is not top class anymore. He was once, and for that I'll be eternally grateful, but he's lost the plot now and needs to retire.

But despite all that I was delighted with the three points! (does that make me a flip flopping turn coat wanker? )

[augie]

Well there's a 100 professional teams in England that wouldn't mind being in our situation. World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. The last eight years have not been happy times and yeah we might not win the league this year - on paper Chelsea and City's squads are better - something to with them splashing half a billion a piece that we haven't had to splash. But still, I can't understand these whiny Arsenal fans when everything at the club is heading in the right direction: i repeat, World class stadium,debt free, top class manager, last sixteen in Europe and top of the Premier League. Add to that Splashing the funds on proven quality now we can.

And how many of the fans of those 100 professional clubs wouldnt mind paying the highest ticket prices in world football ?
And how many fans of those clubs would be happy paying that manager 7.5m per season ?
And how many of those fans would be happy with their manager bullshitting on about 4th place being a fcuking trophy ?
And how many of those fans would be happy with a manager and team who bottle it every single time we play a top team ?
And how many of those fans would be happy with a manager who, in the vast majority of games, is pre-programmed to make his changes in the 70th minute (or thereabouts) ?
And how many of those fans would understand and agree with a manager bringing on a right back to replace a right winger, a central midfielder to replace a left back and an overweight danish c*nt (who even palace and hull wouldnt buy in the summer ) ahead of a proven quality german international who has over 100 caps to his name ?
Finally how many of those fans would accept paying the highest ticket prices in world football to watch a club that publicly aspires to finish top 4 and who (prior to ozil) has continually shopped for cheap players despite having over 100m cash reserves sitting there gathering dust ? You might like to focus on ozil and state that we are now going to be buying proven quality but of course that convenientely ignores the fact that the rest of the summer signings were made up of a french guy that was about to retire and become a postman (and who hasnt been since since ), a free transfer that nobody else wanted at that time and of course a keeper on loan and he has disappeared totally off the radar too We went into this season with our only back up striker being a guy that we were trying to sell to palace right up intil the end of the transfer window, and I would like you to point to one other "world class manager" who would be that negligent