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flash gunner wrote:There is a 3rd candidate. I dont know his name but google him and youtube his Aleppo interview

olgitgooner wrote:Shocked that you don't have a secretary DB

I'm equally shocked that the USA, with a population of over 300million, has contrived to give its people the choice of these two horrible specimens.

Wilson wrote:Its in the bag for Hillary.

She can start picking her oval office drapes.

DB10GOONER wrote:

Wilson wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

Wilson wrote:Nothing wrong with Hillary. Would make a great President. Plus Bill would be back in the White House.

Are you insane? The Clintons are criminals. She is Satan incarnate. You need to read a bit about her and her scumbag husband. Read about how she targeted the women her "charismatic" filthbag of a husband "allegedly" raped and molested. Read about Craig Livingstone, the Travelgate scandal, the Benghazi Scandal, the Cattle Money/Tyson Foods Scandal, the Whitewater scandal(s), the Clinton Foundation scandal, her dealings with criminals like Norman Hsu and Jorge Cabrera, her lies about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia, the $190,000 worth of property she "removed" from the White House when leaving, her constant bypassing of email security protocols. The list goes on and on.

As for Rapey Bill? Utter shitbag of a man. He was involved in nearly every scandal that his cúnt wife was involved in and then you can add; abusing the power of the IRS to harass and exact revenge on political enemies, auctioning off and selling taxpayer-financed government goods and services in exchange for political campaign contributions and personal profit, molesting and sexually harassing female staff members, illegally obtaining FBI files on perceived adversaries.

Fuck it, here read this;

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-ar ... dals-ever/

Even if you allow for that site's obvious anti-Clinton stance, the scandals involving these two scumbags are shocking.

The real issue here is that the American people face an election between a moron and a crook.

Cmon, you dont believe all that do you?

The Clinton's have their haters, just look at the ones are adamant Vince Foster was murdered (look it up if your not familiar with it).

Plus, I think to man people look for perfection in political leaders. Bill Clinton may have women problems, but his presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII. It says a lot about the mans presidency, that the only think republicans can criticize him on, is having his cock sucked in the oval office.

The list of scandals and corruption involving Clinton and his wife is huge. You honestly think it was all made up? Jesus, you are a believer aren't you?

His "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"???!! You simply must be joking. His entire presidency was based upon cheesy "charisma" and his hackneyed populist politics. Clinton was a charlatan, the ultimate bandwagon jumper and self publicist. You have bought into his publicity and his cheesy smile. Here are the facts about his presidency;

The "strong American economy" of the 90s that he gets credited with was the work of Alan Greenspan, and fortunate timing, as thanks to information technology and the disinflation of that decade, those were likely to be good years either way.

Clinton jumped on the Irish Peace Process bandwagon when the dirty (but necessary) work of speaking to the IRA had been done by John Hume (who was initially criticised by both British Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern before they too jumped on the bandwagon once it looked like it might work).

His federal crime bill in 1994 certainly put some hardened criminals in jail based on "3 strikes and you are out" but it also put thousands of low level non violent criminals away for life, costing the American tax payer billions and putting huge strain on the prison system. He admits himself it was a mistake; "The problem is the way it was written and implemented is we cast too wide a net and we had too many people in prison, And we wound up... putting so many people in prison that there wasn't enough money left to educate them, train them for new jobs and increase the chances when they came out so they could live productive lives." But he even lies in that explanation. It was a deliberate choice. He saw the political popularity of being tough on crime, he fully embraced the lock-'em-up-and-throw-away-the-key mentality, and publicly gloated about three strikes at the time. During Clinton's tenure, federal prison spending jumped $19 billion (171%), while funding for public housing declined by $17 billion (61%). Under Clinton, nearly $1 billion in state spending shifted from education to prisons.

His punitive welfare reforms led to a massive increase in poor black families living in abject poverty.

He signed into law more financial deregulation legislation than any other president. He deregulated the risky derivatives market (Commodity Futures Modernization Act), gutted state regulation of banks leading to a wave of banking mergers, which led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the "too-big-to-fail" ethos, with the US federal government obligated to bail out multinational banks. The Columbia Journalism Review publicly stated; “The bottom line is: Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—and thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.” http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bill_clint ... cans_m.php

He basically gutted America’s manufacturing base by promoting and passing the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, in 1993. This caused the permanent loss of 700,000 manufacturing jobs in industrial states such as California, Texas and Michigan. It gave corporate managers an excuse to cut wages and benefits, threatening otherwise to move to Mexico. Selling U.S. farm products in Mexico dislocated millions of Mexican workers and their families, which was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the US labour market.

The discriminatory defense of marriage act signed into law by Clinton in 1996, defined spouse as "heterosexual" and deprived legally wed same-sex couples of many significant benefits, from Social Security benefits to hospital visitation rights. He signed it in a self serving act of moral cowardice as he wanted to keep the conservative right on his side whilst looking for re-election.

Even when the cowardly Clinton tried to get tough on terror he got it wrong; His 1998 bombing of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan destroyed a facility that provided 50 percent of Sudan’s medicines and was the country’s main source of anti-malaria drugs. Germany’s ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, stated the bombing led to "several tens of thousands of deaths”.

His expansion of Bush's 1990 Iraq sanctions decimated the Iraqi economy, crippled the civilian infrastructure, and according to a 1999 UNICEF survey, ultimately led to the deaths of more than 500,000 children.

Ever the moral coward, Clinton knew about the upcoming Rwandan genocide. This might be Clinton’s worst foreign policy failure. US Intelligence analysts knew in advance about the plans for the Hutu-led genocide against Tutsis in Rwanda, yet Clinton did nothing to try to stop it. In 2013, Clinton told MSNBS that he could have sent some 10,000 US troops to Rwanda to support a UN peacekeeping force and perhaps saved 300,000 lives. In retrospect, Clinton said, “You can’t stop everything bad that's happening" and pointed to "his" success ending sectarian violence in Northern Ireland - which was bollocks as he ended nothing in NI.

And you think this corrupt idiot's "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"?

Christ.

flash gunner wrote:Anyone see the programme about Trump and conspiracy theories last night? The way he linked Ted Cruz' dad with the JFK shooting and many other things. Was really interesting and dished the dirt on the Clinton's too

I didnt know half the stuff that had gone on, quite incredible really

flash gunner wrote:Anyone see the programme about Trump and conspiracy theories last night? The way he linked Ted Cruz' dad with the JFK shooting and many other things. Was really interesting and dished the dirt on the Clinton's too

I didnt know half the stuff that had gone on, quite incredible really

augie wrote:

flash gunner wrote:Anyone see the programme about Trump and conspiracy theories last night? The way he linked Ted Cruz' dad with the JFK shooting and many other things. Was really interesting and dished the dirt on the Clinton's too

I didnt know half the stuff that had gone on, quite incredible really

Any idea if it can be downloaded or what channel it was on flash ?

flash gunner wrote:

augie wrote:

flash gunner wrote:Anyone see the programme about Trump and conspiracy theories last night? The way he linked Ted Cruz' dad with the JFK shooting and many other things. Was really interesting and dished the dirt on the Clinton's too

I didnt know half the stuff that had gone on, quite incredible really

Any idea if it can be downloaded or what channel it was on flash ?

Was on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... mp-dossier

DB10GOONER wrote:Wilson, I'm still waiting for you to clarify how Rapey Bill's "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"....

DB10GOONER wrote:

Wilson wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

Wilson wrote:Nothing wrong with Hillary. Would make a great President. Plus Bill would be back in the White House.

Are you insane? The Clintons are criminals. She is Satan incarnate. You need to read a bit about her and her scumbag husband. Read about how she targeted the women her "charismatic" filthbag of a husband "allegedly" raped and molested. Read about Craig Livingstone, the Travelgate scandal, the Benghazi Scandal, the Cattle Money/Tyson Foods Scandal, the Whitewater scandal(s), the Clinton Foundation scandal, her dealings with criminals like Norman Hsu and Jorge Cabrera, her lies about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia, the $190,000 worth of property she "removed" from the White House when leaving, her constant bypassing of email security protocols. The list goes on and on.

As for Rapey Bill? Utter shitbag of a man. He was involved in nearly every scandal that his cúnt wife was involved in and then you can add; abusing the power of the IRS to harass and exact revenge on political enemies, auctioning off and selling taxpayer-financed government goods and services in exchange for political campaign contributions and personal profit, molesting and sexually harassing female staff members, illegally obtaining FBI files on perceived adversaries.

Fuck it, here read this;

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-ar ... dals-ever/

Even if you allow for that site's obvious anti-Clinton stance, the scandals involving these two scumbags are shocking.

The real issue here is that the American people face an election between a moron and a crook.

Cmon, you dont believe all that do you?

The Clinton's have their haters, just look at the ones are adamant Vince Foster was murdered (look it up if your not familiar with it).

Plus, I think to man people look for perfection in political leaders. Bill Clinton may have women problems, but his presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII. It says a lot about the mans presidency, that the only think republicans can criticize him on, is having his cock sucked in the oval office.

The list of scandals and corruption involving Clinton and his wife is huge. You honestly think it was all made up? Jesus, you are a believer aren't you?

His "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"???!! You simply must be joking. His entire presidency was based upon cheesy "charisma" and his hackneyed populist politics. Clinton was a charlatan, the ultimate bandwagon jumper and self publicist. You have bought into his publicity and his cheesy smile. Here are the facts about his presidency;

The "strong American economy" of the 90s that he gets credited with was the work of Alan Greenspan, and fortunate timing, as thanks to information technology and the disinflation of that decade, those were likely to be good years either way.

Clinton jumped on the Irish Peace Process bandwagon when the dirty (but necessary) work of speaking to the IRA had been done by John Hume (who was initially criticised by both British Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern before they too jumped on the bandwagon once it looked like it might work).

His federal crime bill in 1994 certainly put some hardened criminals in jail based on "3 strikes and you are out" but it also put thousands of low level non violent criminals away for life, costing the American tax payer billions and putting huge strain on the prison system. He admits himself it was a mistake; "The problem is the way it was written and implemented is we cast too wide a net and we had too many people in prison, And we wound up... putting so many people in prison that there wasn't enough money left to educate them, train them for new jobs and increase the chances when they came out so they could live productive lives." But he even lies in that explanation. It was a deliberate choice. He saw the political popularity of being tough on crime, he fully embraced the lock-'em-up-and-throw-away-the-key mentality, and publicly gloated about three strikes at the time. During Clinton's tenure, federal prison spending jumped $19 billion (171%), while funding for public housing declined by $17 billion (61%). Under Clinton, nearly $1 billion in state spending shifted from education to prisons.

His punitive welfare reforms led to a massive increase in poor black families living in abject poverty.

He signed into law more financial deregulation legislation than any other president. He deregulated the risky derivatives market (Commodity Futures Modernization Act), gutted state regulation of banks leading to a wave of banking mergers, which led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the "too-big-to-fail" ethos, with the US federal government obligated to bail out multinational banks. The Columbia Journalism Review publicly stated; “The bottom line is: Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—and thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.” http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bill_clint ... cans_m.php

He basically gutted America’s manufacturing base by promoting and passing the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, in 1993. This caused the permanent loss of 700,000 manufacturing jobs in industrial states such as California, Texas and Michigan. It gave corporate managers an excuse to cut wages and benefits, threatening otherwise to move to Mexico. Selling U.S. farm products in Mexico dislocated millions of Mexican workers and their families, which was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the US labour market.

The discriminatory defense of marriage act signed into law by Clinton in 1996, defined spouse as "heterosexual" and deprived legally wed same-sex couples of many significant benefits, from Social Security benefits to hospital visitation rights. He signed it in a self serving act of moral cowardice as he wanted to keep the conservative right on his side whilst looking for re-election.

Even when the cowardly Clinton tried to get tough on terror he got it wrong; His 1998 bombing of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan destroyed a facility that provided 50 percent of Sudan’s medicines and was the country’s main source of anti-malaria drugs. Germany’s ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, stated the bombing led to "several tens of thousands of deaths”.

His expansion of Bush's 1990 Iraq sanctions decimated the Iraqi economy, crippled the civilian infrastructure, and according to a 1999 UNICEF survey, ultimately led to the deaths of more than 500,000 children.

Ever the moral coward, Clinton knew about the upcoming Rwandan genocide. This might be Clinton’s worst foreign policy failure. US Intelligence analysts knew in advance about the plans for the Hutu-led genocide against Tutsis in Rwanda, yet Clinton did nothing to try to stop it. In 2013, Clinton told MSNBS that he could have sent some 10,000 US troops to Rwanda to support a UN peacekeeping force and perhaps saved 300,000 lives. In retrospect, Clinton said, “You can’t stop everything bad that's happening" and pointed to "his" success ending sectarian violence in Northern Ireland - which was bollocks as he ended nothing in NI.

And you think this corrupt idiot's "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"?

Christ.

Wilson wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:Wilson, I'm still waiting for you to clarify how Rapey Bill's "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"....

DB10GOONER wrote:

Wilson wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:
Are you insane? The Clintons are criminals. She is Satan incarnate. You need to read a bit about her and her scumbag husband. Read about how she targeted the women her "charismatic" filthbag of a husband "allegedly" raped and molested. Read about Craig Livingstone, the Travelgate scandal, the Benghazi Scandal, the Cattle Money/Tyson Foods Scandal, the Whitewater scandal(s), the Clinton Foundation scandal, her dealings with criminals like Norman Hsu and Jorge Cabrera, her lies about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia, the $190,000 worth of property she "removed" from the White House when leaving, her constant bypassing of email security protocols. The list goes on and on.

As for Rapey Bill? Utter shitbag of a man. He was involved in nearly every scandal that his cúnt wife was involved in and then you can add; abusing the power of the IRS to harass and exact revenge on political enemies, auctioning off and selling taxpayer-financed government goods and services in exchange for political campaign contributions and personal profit, molesting and sexually harassing female staff members, illegally obtaining FBI files on perceived adversaries.

Fuck it, here read this;

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-ar ... dals-ever/

Even if you allow for that site's obvious anti-Clinton stance, the scandals involving these two scumbags are shocking.

The real issue here is that the American people face an election between a moron and a crook.

Cmon, you dont believe all that do you?

The Clinton's have their haters, just look at the ones are adamant Vince Foster was murdered (look it up if your not familiar with it).

Plus, I think to man people look for perfection in political leaders. Bill Clinton may have women problems, but his presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII. It says a lot about the mans presidency, that the only think republicans can criticize him on, is having his cock sucked in the oval office.

The list of scandals and corruption involving Clinton and his wife is huge. You honestly think it was all made up? Jesus, you are a believer aren't you?

His "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"???!! You simply must be joking. His entire presidency was based upon cheesy "charisma" and his hackneyed populist politics. Clinton was a charlatan, the ultimate bandwagon jumper and self publicist. You have bought into his publicity and his cheesy smile. Here are the facts about his presidency;

The "strong American economy" of the 90s that he gets credited with was the work of Alan Greenspan, and fortunate timing, as thanks to information technology and the disinflation of that decade, those were likely to be good years either way.

Clinton jumped on the Irish Peace Process bandwagon when the dirty (but necessary) work of speaking to the IRA had been done by John Hume (who was initially criticised by both British Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern before they too jumped on the bandwagon once it looked like it might work).

His federal crime bill in 1994 certainly put some hardened criminals in jail based on "3 strikes and you are out" but it also put thousands of low level non violent criminals away for life, costing the American tax payer billions and putting huge strain on the prison system. He admits himself it was a mistake; "The problem is the way it was written and implemented is we cast too wide a net and we had too many people in prison, And we wound up... putting so many people in prison that there wasn't enough money left to educate them, train them for new jobs and increase the chances when they came out so they could live productive lives." But he even lies in that explanation. It was a deliberate choice. He saw the political popularity of being tough on crime, he fully embraced the lock-'em-up-and-throw-away-the-key mentality, and publicly gloated about three strikes at the time. During Clinton's tenure, federal prison spending jumped $19 billion (171%), while funding for public housing declined by $17 billion (61%). Under Clinton, nearly $1 billion in state spending shifted from education to prisons.

His punitive welfare reforms led to a massive increase in poor black families living in abject poverty.

He signed into law more financial deregulation legislation than any other president. He deregulated the risky derivatives market (Commodity Futures Modernization Act), gutted state regulation of banks leading to a wave of banking mergers, which led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the "too-big-to-fail" ethos, with the US federal government obligated to bail out multinational banks. The Columbia Journalism Review publicly stated; “The bottom line is: Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—and thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.” http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bill_clint ... cans_m.php

He basically gutted America’s manufacturing base by promoting and passing the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, in 1993. This caused the permanent loss of 700,000 manufacturing jobs in industrial states such as California, Texas and Michigan. It gave corporate managers an excuse to cut wages and benefits, threatening otherwise to move to Mexico. Selling U.S. farm products in Mexico dislocated millions of Mexican workers and their families, which was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the US labour market.

The discriminatory defense of marriage act signed into law by Clinton in 1996, defined spouse as "heterosexual" and deprived legally wed same-sex couples of many significant benefits, from Social Security benefits to hospital visitation rights. He signed it in a self serving act of moral cowardice as he wanted to keep the conservative right on his side whilst looking for re-election.

Even when the cowardly Clinton tried to get tough on terror he got it wrong; His 1998 bombing of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan destroyed a facility that provided 50 percent of Sudan’s medicines and was the country’s main source of anti-malaria drugs. Germany’s ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, stated the bombing led to "several tens of thousands of deaths”.

His expansion of Bush's 1990 Iraq sanctions decimated the Iraqi economy, crippled the civilian infrastructure, and according to a 1999 UNICEF survey, ultimately led to the deaths of more than 500,000 children.

Ever the moral coward, Clinton knew about the upcoming Rwandan genocide. This might be Clinton’s worst foreign policy failure. US Intelligence analysts knew in advance about the plans for the Hutu-led genocide against Tutsis in Rwanda, yet Clinton did nothing to try to stop it. In 2013, Clinton told MSNBS that he could have sent some 10,000 US troops to Rwanda to support a UN peacekeeping force and perhaps saved 300,000 lives. In retrospect, Clinton said, “You can’t stop everything bad that's happening" and pointed to "his" success ending sectarian violence in Northern Ireland - which was bollocks as he ended nothing in NI.

And you think this corrupt idiot's "presidency is the closest thing to perfection post WWII"?

Christ.

Clinton's economy was far brilliant than any other Presidents. He had the tech boom to thank - the rapid building of internet infrastructure, but he managed the budget to deliver a surplus. Its not something he inherited. The surplus didnt happen to well into his second term - so it was something he was working toward.

No one is perfect. But Presidents can only be judged against each other, and not some gold standard where every bit of hindsight is used against them (Rwanda for example).

If I were to rank the Presidents Post WWII I would go

Clinton
Truman
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Reagan
Obama
Bush I
Nixon
Carter
Ford
Bush II



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