THE WENGER THREAD

[Kvltman]

Made the mistake of reading the comments section in the Guardian article. So many people still defending the indefensible and even better, the "be careful what you wish" for sentiment echoed at least twice! How many more years of the same mistakes being repeated are these people willing to tolerate? It truly boggles the mind!

[Supagoon]

well read the guardianista AKBs in the comment section and realise what we're up against.

In a nutshell "Who could come in and do a better job?" / "Be careful what you wish for" comments.

[xisstential]

Made the mistake of reading the comments section in the Guardian article. So many people still defending the indefensible and even better, the "be careful what you wish" for sentiment echoed at least twice! How many more years of the same mistakes being repeated are these people willing to tolerate? It truly boggles the mind!

What we wish for is for somebody to come in and replace Wenger. I see the need to be unwavering & vociferous, not careful.Careful this, careful that, fuck this, are we going to carefully tiptoe our way to trophies?? I am sick of this shit, sick of Wenger, sick of our idiotic, moron fans. Fuck them as well.

[Offside]

John 'pravda' Cross on fine form today

[officepest]

Made the mistake of reading the comments section in the Guardian article. So many people still defending the indefensible and even better, the "be careful what you wish" for sentiment echoed at least twice! How many more years of the same mistakes being repeated are these people willing to tolerate? It truly boggles the mind!

Don't mate, just don't.

It's the last bastion of the hard-core Wengerite; any dissenting opinion will see you told to fuck off down the Lane/Bridge/Boleyn sharpish.

Kinda like here, but reversed.

[xisstential]

Made the mistake of reading the comments section in the Guardian article. So many people still defending the indefensible and even better, the "be careful what you wish" for sentiment echoed at least twice! How many more years of the same mistakes being repeated are these people willing to tolerate? It truly boggles the mind!

Don't mate, just don't.

It's the last bastion of the hard-core Wengerite; any dissenting opinion will see you told to fuck off down the Lane/Bridge/Boleyn sharpish.

Kinda like here, but reversed.

Think I might spend some time on there over the next few weeks. Stir up some shit

[Kvltman]

Made the mistake of reading the comments section in the Guardian article. So many people still defending the indefensible and even better, the "be careful what you wish" for sentiment echoed at least twice! How many more years of the same mistakes being repeated are these people willing to tolerate? It truly boggles the mind!

Don't mate, just don't.

It's the last bastion of the hard-core Wengerite; any dissenting opinion will see you told to fuck off down the Lane/Bridge/Boleyn sharpish.

Kinda like here, but reversed.

I got more and more wound up as I read it.

What struck me was that the constructive and reasoned points were being made by the people who think Wenger should go, and the childish retorts were being thrown back by the Wengerites. Quite a few who also agreed he should go but at the same time say he should be allowed to see out his contract to 2017. A bit like shitting your pants but then thinking just wait until the next day to change!

[Sean]

Good to see DT on the banner video. I've discussed him on the ArsenalFanTV thread; he's as Wenger Out as most of us

I was sad to hear that WOB-in-all-but-name (and OG lurker) Alan Alger slagged this very thread off on the Footballistically Arsenal podcast back in October 2014 (a few minutes before the end - Warning, also contains AKB WUM GeoffArsenal).

[Ikechukwu1]

Last night should end the notion by some that our fan-base is mostly for Wenger leaving, or that others are close to turning. Everyone on here is Wenger out, and we consistently stick to that view, but the last two games has shown that most fans are waiting for the moment to praise Wenger, no matter what shit team we beat. We have won 3 league games in 2016, and currently sit 8 points behind Leicester in a title race that was supposedly ours to lose, but draw with Spurs and beat championship Hull, and suddenly Wenger is a hero again. We could lose every game between now and Villa on the last day of the season, and if we won that, then Wenger would be treated like a hero. Stan may not be arsed to make a change when it comes to Wenger, but our fans sure don't help in that regard.

I actually don't agree with this at all. I'm not saying he will leave cos it's obvious he's an egomaniac despot with delusions of grandeur. He's a joke and seen as such in Europe, failed for a decade plus in the league. Stan loves him and he's arrogant and knows after Arsenal no big club would ever hire him. No chance.
However. Just read the consensus after Hull - the media are twats but they pander to populist views and despite beating Hull, the coverage has actually been negative. Despite John Cross (who is a clown) ESPN, Mail, Torygraph, Times etc all continue to ask the question as to whether Wenker deserves to be in a job. He's been condescending to the rags but unlike Fergie, he doesn't have the gravitas or the trophies to show for it. I believe the majority now want Wenker gone, definitely. And I think this is the first time that's ever been the case. The fact that Chavs, ManYoo, Citeh have ALL imploded this season...added to the fact there's all that cash in the back but worst of all, that Leicester and Spuds are making a fool of his "financial doping"...it's swayed plenty. Ranieri or Pochettino winning it would remove his final excuse. The sight of Spuds ahead of us in the league as they build a new stadium has swung it.

Like I said. Wenker is like a foul smell fart that refuses to waft away. He will never ever get an accountability-free job where he's rewarded for failing year after year and he knows it. After Arsenal he's finished- so he won't go. That doesn't change the fact that approx 55-60% of fans want him out. That it's about only 60% is a joke in itself when there's 12 years of evidence (even more in Europe!)

Only thing I look forward to are his 20th anniversary celebrations. After the way he's insulted the fans and patronised them, let's face it he's going to be even more unpopular and loathed by the time it rolls around! The thought of super-flat celebrations will be the ultimate humiliation for him

[xisstential]

Apparently the Arsenal players held a "secret" meeting before the Gull match. Older heads in the squad were becoming worried so Mertersacker, Arteta, Rosicky & Cech got the lads together behind closed doors......

Even manager Arsene Wenger and his backroom staff were unaware of the meeting and a few home truths were told behind closed doors. It is believed the private inquest came ahead of Saturday’s 2-2 draw at Tottenham.

Theo Walcott, who scored twice at the KC Stadium, hopes that can inspire Arsenal to revitalise their ailing campaign.

"Wenger wasn’t informed of the meeting but promotes an environment whereby his squad can sort their difficulties out on their own.

‘He (Wenger)probably knows about it anyway - he’s got ears everywhere at the club!’ Walcott added. ‘The manager respects the players’ privacy and what’s happening personally amongst us all. It was a meeting to express how everyone was feeling basically and it worked.

‘The most important thing at Hull was just a clean sheet. We have been conceding too many goals cheaply as a unit. We haven’t been scoring enough. It was a confidence boost to everyone.’


Can you believe this CRAP??

[VoiceOfReason]

I am sick of our idiotic, moron fans. Fuck them as well.

This is something I've been thinking about a lot recently. I last went to the Emirates in 2012, as I decided I'd had enough of Wenger and refused to support his vanity project any longer. My logic was that I'd protest for as long as he's there, and then make my grand return once he's fucked off... but honestly, the more I think about it, I'll have a hard time forgiving people in the stadium because they're largely to blame for this bollocks going on for so long, and I can imagine being pretty bitter about it for quite some time after he's gone. Feels like my relationship with the club has been irreparably damaged tbh.

[Wilson]

Why the assumption another manager couldn't come in and do better? Why always defend Wenger by pointing to failures like Moyes, Neville and LVG. Why not be open to the idea Arsenal could appoint the next Diego Simeone or Pep Guardiola, or even Pochettino?

Why can pessimism only be invoked when discussing Wenger's future? What does it tell you about Wenger, that his defenders need to cite failed managerial appointments as a reason to keep Wenger on? Thats why Arsenal fans are fed up, we are fed up with the pessimism and low expectations of our club. We want to win the league, we want to win the CL. However year on year we are told its 'unrealistic'. Why is it 'unrealistic'? Because Arsenal dont have the capacity and infrastructure, or is it 'unrealistic' because we are managed by Wenger. I think its the latter.

60,000 stadium, 150m in cash reserves, players like Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kosicleny already on the books - tell me why we shouldnt EXPECT to win the league (not every year, but just once)? The only reason we dont expect success, is because Wenger has habit of squandering opportunities.

Im sick of the fear mongering by journalists and former players, who seem to think Arsenal are sh.. as a club, and Wenger is doing brilliantly just to hold it all together, and supposedly without Wenger, Arsenal would just fall of a cliff.

On the contrary, im optimistic and excited at the idea of a new start. I dont for one Fing second look at it from a Ferguson-Man United perspective.

[xisstential]

Why the assumption another manager couldn't come in and do better? Why always defend Wenger by pointing to failures like Moyes, Neville and LVG. Why not be open to the idea Arsenal could appoint the next Diego Simeone or Pep Guardiola, or even Pochettino?

Why can pessimism only be invoked when discussing Wenger's future? What does it tell you about Wenger, that his defenders need to cite failed managerial appointments as a reason to keep Wenger on? Thats why Arsenal fans are fed up, we are fed up with the pessimism and low expectations of our club. We want to win the league, we want to win the CL. However year on year we are told its 'unrealistic'. Why is it 'unrealistic'? Because Arsenal dont have the capacity and infrastructure, or is it 'unrealistic' because we are managed by Wenger. I think its the latter.

60,000 stadium, 150m in cash reserves, players like Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kosicleny already on the books - tell me why we shouldnt EXPECT to win the league (not every year, but just once)? The only reason we dont expect success, is because Wenger has habit of squandering opportunities.

Im sick of the fear mongering by journalists and former players, who seem to think Arsenal are sh.. as a club, and Wenger is doing brilliantly just to hold it all together, and supposedly without Wenger, Arsenal would just fall of a cliff.

On the contrary, im optimistic and excited at the idea of a new start. I dont for one Fing second look at it from a Ferguson-Man United perspective.

Unfortunately I think you are getting ahead of yourself. It sure as hell isn't going to happen in time for next season. Wenger won't just leave, it will be a long drawn out process with him more than likely having a big say in who his replacement will be. Then he'll probably still hang around to claim credit for putting "everything in place" should the new bloke be successful OR to say "I told you so" if he isn't.

A win against Watford on Sunday and we are pretty much back to square one.... whatever happens in the Nou Camp is not going to affect him as defeat is expected anyway. So it's going to take at least 2 defeats on the bounce after Barca for the natives to get restless again. We are still a long way off getting shot of him

[augie]

Why the assumption another manager couldn't come in and do better? Why always defend Wenger by pointing to failures like Moyes, Neville and LVG. Why not be open to the idea Arsenal could appoint the next Diego Simeone or Pep Guardiola, or even Pochettino?

Why can pessimism only be invoked when discussing Wenger's future? What does it tell you about Wenger, that his defenders need to cite failed managerial appointments as a reason to keep Wenger on? Thats why Arsenal fans are fed up, we are fed up with the pessimism and low expectations of our club. We want to win the league, we want to win the CL. However year on year we are told its 'unrealistic'. Why is it 'unrealistic'? Because Arsenal dont have the capacity and infrastructure, or is it 'unrealistic' because we are managed by Wenger. I think its the latter.

60,000 stadium, 150m in cash reserves, players like Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kosicleny already on the books - tell me why we shouldnt EXPECT to win the league (not every year, but just once)? The only reason we dont expect success, is because Wenger has habit of squandering opportunities.

Im sick of the fear mongering by journalists and former players, who seem to think Arsenal are sh.. as a club, and Wenger is doing brilliantly just to hold it all together, and supposedly without Wenger, Arsenal would just fall of a cliff.

On the contrary, im optimistic and excited at the idea of a new start. I dont for one Fing second look at it from a Ferguson-Man United perspective.

Yesterday I got really wound up by the mirror story to the point that I actually posted a comment on it Anyway I asked why they always point to the ferguscum situation instead of pointing to the clough situation at forest - there was a once great manager who was allowed to stay on well past his sell by date, and tbh they are still trying to recover now some 20 odd years later
In recent years we have played at away games where the opposition fans taunt us with the "arsene wenger we want you to stay" chant.......is it possible that opposition fans are involved in these "who could we get" or the "be careful what you wish for" comments on these websites ? I know well that there are a large number of tourist/jcl/arsene fc fans out there who would post crap like that, but I still believe that it is likely that there are opposition fans stoking it up by posting pro wenger comments I know earlier in the season I have gone on some of these sites and voted in favour of manure keeping lvg - granted I didn't post a comment, but my thought process was that I wanted it to seem that the manure fans were still behind lvg and I was gonna do my best to keep him there

[Wilson]

[/quote]Unfortunately I think you are getting ahead of yourself. It sure as hell isn't going to happen in time for next season. Wenger won't just leave, it will be a long drawn out process with him more than likely having a big say in who his replacement will be. Then he'll probably still hang around to claim credit for putting "everything in place" should the new bloke be successful OR to say "I told you so" if he isn't.

A win against Watford on Sunday and we are pretty much back to square one.... whatever happens in the Nou Camp is not going to affect him as defeat is expected anyway. So it's going to take at least 2 defeats on the bounce after Barca for the natives to get restless again. We are still a long way off getting shot of him[/quote]

But thats my point, we dont expect anything against Barcelona. When Man City lost consecutively to Barcelona, they took it in their stride and realise they must do better. We get beaten by Barcelona, and we say to ourselves, 'well its Barcelona, what did we expect'. Wheres the ambition to close the gap? Or the desire to reach Barcelona's level. We likely never will, but the harder you try, the better you get.

For 10 years Wenger has kept Arsenal consistent, but that level of consistency is restricted to 4th-3rd place, whilst making no impact in Europe at all, whilst more recently adding some cup success.That level of consistency is getting boring. If you have a routine you stick to for 10 years in a row - you might just go a little insane. And im pretty sick of each season repeating itself. Thats the killer - having each season a carbon copy of the previous 10.

Its boring.........