CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[augie]

should still be mask wearing in certain situations by law, crazy not to put that in place, whats so difficult about people having to wear a mask, such a hardship...i will keep wearing one for sure.

but re the whole reopening, the 'freedom day ' bollox as ever it wont make a rats ass's difference to most people other than rob (so he can drink at the var and chat to bar staff as i imagine hes bored his mates to death over brexit, the virus etc ), life has been back to normal to amost intents and purposes for a couple of months for vast majority of uk population, and all this freedom day crap will be invisible to all but a few plebs making a thing of it.

the massive spike in cases is a concern but if not now when are the gov ever going to make a fist of 'getting back to normal'? mid summer should be the best time to do this, as indoor mixing is reduced naturally as is the prevalence of other respiratory illnesses and the ability of the virus to survive in the air (you would think).

yes its a balance with jabs, but waiting for everyone to be jabbed would mean bleeding into late summer/autumn and colder weather, and endless winter proper lockdowns.

imo its now or never if they want to go back to normal. (personally and very selfishly i have no issues with mild lockdowns for ever more as have not been hindranced by not being able to stand at a bar or mix with a load of morons in a free for all for drinks...the app methods is much better imo or other equivalent 'hardships', but appreciate thats very selfish perhaps...) the football really hasnt helped and came at worst time (well i suppose worst time would be after 'freedom day', but its clearly helped the massive spread currently seen.

ultimately we gonna have to live with covid for evermore, the delta variant would only ever have been delayed (as we see in europe, it has inevitably spread and will continue to contrary to a point i had with NFG, and become the dominant variant there, until it morps again, which it surely will).

i think the uk is hoping it burns itself out here, as surely it must? (and seems to be doing in scotland now), and then its a case of wait and see...

i would maintain a full travel ban though as until the rest of the world gets its shit in order there will be new variants aplenty and we wont be able to stop them getting here, just delay them.


to rob and others, if not opening up domestically now, then when do we do it?

well you certainly don't lift restrictions when cases (& deaths) are rising as fast as they are currently!

I would like to know what your qualifies you to say what you have but to me it just looks like you have swallowed all of the Government propaganda. Boris must love people like you!

Most of the world's scientists are horrified about what is to happen in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... xperts-say

The point is this - IF YOU HAVE HIGH INFECTION RATES THEN THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF THE VIRUS MUTATING. If it starts to be vaccine resistant then this country is fucked. No other country in the world is taking the risk that the UK is going to take.

Absolutely hilarious that you see the risk is from overseas and that they need to get their shit in order.
The new variants won't be coming in from outside - we will be exporting them !!!

FFS rob, how many mutations have we seen so far ? 18 months of near total lockdowns hasnt stopped mutations, so how long do you think the world should wait before re-opening ? You are suggesting that these mutations could be resistant to vaccines, so in your world that will be another delay to opening up. By reading your comments it seems that there is nothing out there to stop covid, so we should all retreat into our homes for a long time and hope for the best

[Gunner Rob]

should still be mask wearing in certain situations by law, crazy not to put that in place, whats so difficult about people having to wear a mask, such a hardship...i will keep wearing one for sure.

but re the whole reopening, the 'freedom day ' bollox as ever it wont make a rats ass's difference to most people other than rob (so he can drink at the var and chat to bar staff as i imagine hes bored his mates to death over brexit, the virus etc ), life has been back to normal to amost intents and purposes for a couple of months for vast majority of uk population, and all this freedom day crap will be invisible to all but a few plebs making a thing of it.

the massive spike in cases is a concern but if not now when are the gov ever going to make a fist of 'getting back to normal'? mid summer should be the best time to do this, as indoor mixing is reduced naturally as is the prevalence of other respiratory illnesses and the ability of the virus to survive in the air (you would think).

yes its a balance with jabs, but waiting for everyone to be jabbed would mean bleeding into late summer/autumn and colder weather, and endless winter proper lockdowns.

imo its now or never if they want to go back to normal. (personally and very selfishly i have no issues with mild lockdowns for ever more as have not been hindranced by not being able to stand at a bar or mix with a load of morons in a free for all for drinks...the app methods is much better imo or other equivalent 'hardships', but appreciate thats very selfish perhaps...) the football really hasnt helped and came at worst time (well i suppose worst time would be after 'freedom day', but its clearly helped the massive spread currently seen.

ultimately we gonna have to live with covid for evermore, the delta variant would only ever have been delayed (as we see in europe, it has inevitably spread and will continue to contrary to a point i had with NFG, and become the dominant variant there, until it morps again, which it surely will).

i think the uk is hoping it burns itself out here, as surely it must? (and seems to be doing in scotland now), and then its a case of wait and see...

i would maintain a full travel ban though as until the rest of the world gets its shit in order there will be new variants aplenty and we wont be able to stop them getting here, just delay them.


to rob and others, if not opening up domestically now, then when do we do it?

well you certainly don't lift restrictions when cases (& deaths) are rising as fast as they are currently!

I would like to know what your qualifies you to say what you have but to me it just looks like you have swallowed all of the Government propaganda. Boris must love people like you!

Most of the world's scientists are horrified about what is to happen in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... xperts-say

The point is this - IF YOU HAVE HIGH INFECTION RATES THEN THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF THE VIRUS MUTATING. If it starts to be vaccine resistant then this country is fucked. No other country in the world is taking the risk that the UK is going to take.

Absolutely hilarious that you see the risk is from overseas and that they need to get their shit in order.
The new variants won't be coming in from outside - we will be exporting them !!!

FFS rob, how many mutations have we seen so far ? 18 months of near total lockdowns hasnt stopped mutations, so how long do you think the world should wait before re-opening ? You are suggesting that these mutations could be resistant to vaccines, so in your world that will be another delay to opening up. By reading your comments it seems that there is nothing out there to stop covid, so we should all retreat into our homes for a long time and hope for the best

I can’t comment on the rest of the world - I imagine it will be a couple of years until some kind of return to normal though.
But here in the UK we should be aiming to get 85% of the population fully vaccinated before reopening. It is about 50% at present.

So on Monday the UK government will knowingly be causing the deaths and long term illness to thousands of people in its country.

But yes if it mutates then the problem really begins.

[SteveO 35]

Sadly as we thought the opening of the doors to the Delta variant has scuppered all the progress that has been made. Freedom Day will be anything but - most workplaces are saying they'll retain mask wearing/PPE (we decided to do that at our place), ditto most transport operators and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see restrictions put back in place for sports events and mass gatherings

The Delta variant now accounts for 99% of all cases currently and was entirely preventable with mandatory, observed quarantine and effective border control.

Shocking mismanagement

[nut flush gooner]

Sadly as we thought the opening of the doors to the Delta variant has scuppered all the progress that has been made. Freedom Day will be anything but - most workplaces are saying they'll retain mask wearing/PPE (we decided to do that at our place), ditto most transport operators and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see restrictions put back in place for sports events and mass gatherings

The Delta variant now accounts for 99% of all cases currently and was entirely preventable with mandatory, observed quarantine and effective border control.

Shocking mismanagement

I wouldn't have a problem with reopening, if the Govt again hadn't made such a terrible fuck up in their communication over mask-wearing.

So all these twats who didn't give a shit when it was law to wear masks will now have a field day, when we go back to each business being responsible for their mask-wearing policies. I was in Turkish supermarket yesterday, the do lovely food for BBQs etc, and 90% of people including staff were non mask-wearing.

It also makes going to Football matches in August very hazardous, if the infection rates are stupidly high, then there is a good chance of some breakthrough infections of people who are fully vaccinated. Then another mutation, and vaccines are less efficacious, and watch those restrictions come back in. Boris Johnson has to be the most fucking useless PM since WW2, even worse than Mayhem. The Vaccine program was down to luck rather than good judgment.

[the playing mantis]

cases are going up as we are to all intents and purposes back to normal and have been for weeks, mixed in with the delta issue.

the delta variant could only have been delayed (and should have been by closing borders), but it would have come here anyway eventually we wouldn't stop it as europe is finding out. i dont think it would have made much difference in the grand scheme, despite agreeing we should never have let all the folk come back from the subcontinent.

personally i would shut borders indefinitely, and maintain restrictions of sorts forever more as im alright jack, but then im a rabid brexiteer little englander so would do that regardless of pandemic...

yes they fucked up, but it would have got this bad later on in the year, better to get it over with now than later, is what i assume they are hoping, and as for questions of mutations rob yes that will happen virus's constantly mutate, and given the global scale its far more likely too in the unvaccinated 3rd world where there will be millions with no jabs at all, but could happen anywhere.


im against opening up as joe public is too dumb and selfish to follow basic simple and hardly onerous safety measures (masks, quarantine, non essential travel etc), so what hope is there.

im happy for indefinite mild lockdowns, most are not though. again you dont answer when we should open up. not when cases are rising...so then a summer lockdown and reopening in winter, or wait till next summer by which time there will be civil unrest over lockdowns by a majority.

[OneBardGooner]

HOLY Fuckk It IS Sooo Fuckkin HOT!

[OneBardGooner]

A further sign that the lifting of the Lockdown is near is the increase of humans in all places BUT those who visit places of nature & beauty etc and

DON'T TAKE THEIR FUCKKING RUBBISH AND SHYTE HOME WITH THEM OR EVEN PUT IT IN THE BINS PROVIDED - CUNTTS !!!!

Got up to greet the dawn this morning at my local beach - about 25 minutes walk away - I arrived and the amount of rubbish left behind by yesterday's visitors was unbelievable - The beach was strewn with Beer cartons (12 packs etc) empty Fish & Chip boxes, crisp packets, Pepsi & Lager Bottles & Tins

EVERY-F UCKIN-WHERE! What the fuckk is Wrong with these CUNTTS.. - They are "Unconscious" - Really they are WalkingScumZombies. And of course this brings even more seagulls and rats.

Seriously the Human Race deserves tand needs to be Culled all those that just do not care for the planet and treat it like a tip-site - Let the 4th Wave take all the Mother-Fuckers OUT!

[BobbyPires7]

A further sign that the lifting of the Lockdown is near is the increase of humans in all places BUT those who visit places of nature & beauty etc and

DON'T TAKE THEIR FUCKKING RUBBISH AND SHYTE HOME WITH THEM OR EVEN PUT IT IN THE BINS PROVIDED - CUNTTS !!!!

Got up to greet the dawn this morning at my local beach - about 25 minutes walk away - I arrived and the amount of rubbish left behind by yesterday's visitors was unbelievable - The beach was strewn with Beer cartons (12 packs etc) empty Fish & Chip boxes, crisp packets, Pepsi & Lager Bottles & Tins

EVERY-F UCKIN-WHERE! What the fuckk is Wrong with these CUNTTS.. - They are "Unconscious" - Really they are WalkingScumZombies. And of course this brings even more seagulls and rats.

Seriously the Human Race deserves tand needs to be Culled all those that just do not care for the planet and treat it like a tip-site - Let the 4th Wave take all the Mother-Fuckers OUT!

Get off your high horse! (Shetland Pony)

[A11M11]

With you Bard , At least the strewn mask problem will soon disappear as the selfish buggers won't be wearing them . People don't give a shit but their dog's do and no doubt that will still be there and the polystyrene McD's boxes

[OneBardGooner]

With you Bard , At least the strewn mask problem will soon disappear as the selfish buggers won't be wearing them . People don't give a shit but their dog's do and no doubt that will still be there and the polystyrene McD's boxes

Anyone who doesn't see it - is part of the problem.


Know what you mean about dogshyte - and it feckin stinks in this weather.

[OneBardGooner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57874402


More than one third of Londoners have not had their first vaccine dose making it the area with the lowest uptake in England, latest figures show.
The data from NHS England also shows 55% have not had a second dose. Across England, 88% of people have had a first dose and 68% the second.
Figures also show the city has one of the lowest rates of Covid-19 cases, with 298 per 100,000.
Sadiq Khan said "everything possible" was being done to vaccinate everyone.
Pop-up vaccination centres are being held across London, including in the Tate Modern and football stadiums. There are 300 locations in the city where people can be vaccinated.

The Emirates has been turned into a vaccination Centre apparently


The government set a target for all adults to be offered a first dose, and two thirds their second by Monday when all of the social distancing restrictions are being lifted.
NHS London did not confirm how many Londoners have been offered the vaccine but have declined.
'Perfect storm could lead to Covid-19 increase' in London
How many people have been vaccinated so far?
What do over-18s need to know about the vaccine?
How are Covid rules changing on Monday?
The city has a high proportion of young people - with 35 being the average age - meaning many have only been eligible for a vaccine for a short period of time, according to the mayor's office.
People are offered a vaccine via their GP however the city has a high proportion of people who are not registered with one. It also has the UK's highest migrant population who may also be missing out on a vaccine invite as they are not registered with a doctor.




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Jeezuss H - And the poxy government are STILL going ahead with lifting the Lockdown - This is going to get BAD.

[Gunner Rob]

Sadly as we thought the opening of the doors to the Delta variant has scuppered all the progress that has been made. Freedom Day will be anything but - most workplaces are saying they'll retain mask wearing/PPE (we decided to do that at our place), ditto most transport operators and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see restrictions put back in place for sports events and mass gatherings

The Delta variant now accounts for 99% of all cases currently and was entirely preventable with mandatory, observed quarantine and effective border control.

Shocking mismanagement

Spot on point here.
The Delta variant changed everything - we are dealing with a different virus to last year, and I am amazed how little understanding there is of it.

Think about how many people have already been vaccinated in the U.K., yet also how many new cases are appearing. And this is before a total reopening!

I’m more terrified now (even though I have been double jabbed) than I have ever been, because we are today entering the complete unknown. All I will say is don’t get ill with anything else because chances are there won’t be any healthcare to help you.

[A11M11]

Young people are behind the surge, with a 5-fold higher rate of COVID-19 test positivity among children 5 to 12 years (0.35% prevalence) and adults 18 to 24 (0.36% prevalence) than in those 65 or older. People younger than 50 were 2.5 times more likely to be infected than older people .
reports from CIDRAP (centre for infectious disease research and policy )

Of course these are the non vaccinated and the ones that couldn't wait to charge into night clubs at midnight last night , and the ones that unlike many other countries will not be vaccinated according to the JCVI.

All this adds to a blatant ploy to increase the anti bodies in the next generation by letting the virus spread within schools and places of so called higher education.

My 7 year old granddaughter bought it home from school and was tested positive , I wonder how many others have had mild symptoms and were never tested , however in a little country school over half the teachers and adult staff have been absent at one stage or another in an area which is meant to have had some of the lowest rates in the country.

[StuartL]

Sadly as we thought the opening of the doors to the Delta variant has scuppered all the progress that has been made. Freedom Day will be anything but - most workplaces are saying they'll retain mask wearing/PPE (we decided to do that at our place), ditto most transport operators and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see restrictions put back in place for sports events and mass gatherings

The Delta variant now accounts for 99% of all cases currently and was entirely preventable with mandatory, observed quarantine and effective border control.

Shocking mismanagement

Spot on point here.
The Delta variant changed everything - we are dealing with a different virus to last year, and I am amazed how little understanding there is of it.

Think about how many people have already been vaccinated in the U.K., yet also how many new cases are appearing. And this is before a total reopening!

I’m more terrified now (even though I have been double jabbed) than I have ever been, because we are today entering the complete unknown. All I will say is don’t get ill with anything else because chances are there won’t be any healthcare to help you.

Being double jabbed doesn’t mean you can’t catch it - it offers good protections from being seriously ill and being hospitalised.

50,000 new cases on its own is not that worrying as long as the deaths and cases requiring hospital treatment remain low.

Calling it Freedom Day, is way over the top, you should still be cautious, wear a mask wherever appropriate, keep your distance and continue washing your hands with sanitiser.

[A11M11]

you should still be cautious, wear a mask wherever appropriate, keep your distance and continue washing your hands with sanitiser.

Unfortunately people won't , most will but there are enough people that will throw caution to the wind , the gamble is that the school holidays will slow it's progress at the outset , which it might do but when you look at large crowds like Arsenal what percentage of the 60,000 will use common sense and how many will not ?