Gunner Rob wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:48 pmwell you certainly don't lift restrictions when cases (& deaths) are rising as fast as they are currently!the playing mantis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:09 pmshould still be mask wearing in certain situations by law, crazy not to put that in place, whats so difficult about people having to wear a mask, such a hardship...i will keep wearing one for sure.
but re the whole reopening, the 'freedom day ' bollox as ever it wont make a rats ass's difference to most people other than rob (so he can drink at the var and chat to bar staff as i imagine hes bored his mates to death over brexit, the virus etc), life has been back to normal to amost intents and purposes for a couple of months for vast majority of uk population, and all this freedom day crap will be invisible to all but a few plebs making a thing of it.
the massive spike in cases is a concern but if not now when are the gov ever going to make a fist of 'getting back to normal'? mid summer should be the best time to do this, as indoor mixing is reduced naturally as is the prevalence of other respiratory illnesses and the ability of the virus to survive in the air (you would think).
yes its a balance with jabs, but waiting for everyone to be jabbed would mean bleeding into late summer/autumn and colder weather, and endless winter proper lockdowns.
imo its now or never if they want to go back to normal. (personally and very selfishly i have no issues with mild lockdowns for ever more as have not been hindranced by not being able to stand at a bar or mix with a load of morons in a free for all for drinks...the app methods is much better imo or other equivalent 'hardships', but appreciate thats very selfish perhaps...) the football really hasnt helped and came at worst time (well i suppose worst time would be after 'freedom day', but its clearly helped the massive spread currently seen.
ultimately we gonna have to live with covid for evermore, the delta variant would only ever have been delayed (as we see in europe, it has inevitably spread and will continue to contrary to a point i had with NFG, and become the dominant variant there, until it morps again, which it surely will).
i think the uk is hoping it burns itself out here, as surely it must? (and seems to be doing in scotland now), and then its a case of wait and see...
i would maintain a full travel ban though as until the rest of the world gets its shit in order there will be new variants aplenty and we wont be able to stop them getting here, just delay them.
to rob and others, if not opening up domestically now, then when do we do it?
I would like to know what your qualifies you to say what you have but to me it just looks like you have swallowed all of the Government propaganda. Boris must love people like you!![]()
Most of the world's scientists are horrified about what is to happen in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... xperts-say
The point is this - IF YOU HAVE HIGH INFECTION RATES THEN THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF THE VIRUS MUTATING. If it starts to be vaccine resistant then this country is fucked. No other country in the world is taking the risk that the UK is going to take.
Absolutely hilarious that you see the risk is from overseas and that they need to get their shit in order.
The new variants won't be coming in from outside - we will be exporting them !!!![]()
FFS rob, how many mutations have we seen so far ? 18 months of near total lockdowns hasnt stopped mutations, so how long do you think the world should wait before re-opening ? You are suggesting that these mutations could be resistant to vaccines, so in your world that will be another delay to opening up. By reading your comments it seems that there is nothing out there to stop covid, so we should all retreat into our homes for a long time and hope for the best