CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[nut flush gooner]

I'd sure like to know what the difference between today and yesterday, apart from a load of camp people in nightclubs on the BBC this morning flashing their glowsticks!

Count down before restrictions come back.

[Clummo99]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

[OneBardGooner]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

How long before the shyte hits the fan?

I'm giving it 4 - 6 weeks and then by the end of September the NHS and scientists will be saying "We can't cope" - another new (stronger / vaccine resistant) variant will pop up and come October / November the Flu strains will start doing the rounds and Bingo! THEN it will get SERIOUS.

[OneBardGooner]

I'd sure like to know what the difference between today and yesterday, apart from a load of camp people in nightclubs on the BBC this morning flashing their glowsticks!

Count down before restrictions come back.

Is that a Euphemism??

[nut flush gooner]

I'd sure like to know what the difference between today and yesterday, apart from a load of camp people in nightclubs on the BBC this morning flashing their glowsticks!

Count down before restrictions come back.

Is that a Euphemism??

Not intended, although I did chuckle when I read it back!



Seriously though, people keep going on about the economy well it's a fact that economies only function properly when consumers are happy/confident to consume goods and services. Given the amount of infection, there is in the UK it will make no difference as to how the economy performs going forward. We have to get the infection rates down. The City of London is still nowhere near as busy as it was pre-pandemic. Social distancing or no social distancing.

[Gunner Rob]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

How long before the shyte hits the fan?

I'm giving it 4 - 6 weeks and then by the end of September the NHS and scientists will be saying "We can't cope" - another new (stronger / vaccine resistant) variant will pop up and come October / November the Flu strains will start doing the rounds and Bingo! THEN it will get SERIOUS.

I suppose it just depends what level of deaths the public will tolerate.
It is going to look a bit odd though in a couple of weeks time when we hit over 100 every day whilst all other European countries just have a handful each day.

[A11M11]

3 weeks ago Catalonia opened up and now they are on curfew between 1am and 6 am . Just as we open the nightclubs here.

[nut flush gooner]

3 weeks ago Catalonia opened up and now they are on curfew between 1am and 6 am . Just as we open the nightclubs here.

Same thing happened in Holland.

[Clummo99]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

How long before the shyte hits the fan?

I'm giving it 4 - 6 weeks and then by the end of September the NHS and scientists will be saying "We can't cope" - another new (stronger / vaccine resistant) variant will pop up and come October / November the Flu strains will start doing the rounds and Bingo! THEN it will get SERIOUS.

I suppose it just depends what level of deaths the public will tolerate.
It is going to look a bit odd though in a couple of weeks time when we hit over 100 every day whilst all other European countries just have a handful each day.

Yes, it more about death rate than infection rate now. My biggest concern though is the increase in child infections.

[Gunner Rob]

It might not completely about deaths though - there are a lot of 20 somethings now ending up in ICU. Most won’t die but they will take up beds that would normally be taken by people awaiting important operations.

Also by the way the first week in August is when all new doctors start in hospitals. Usually more mistakes made that week than the rest of the year. Try not to go into hospital that week

[nut flush gooner]

It might not completely about deaths though - there are a lot of 20 somethings now ending up in ICU. Most won’t die but they will take up beds that would normally be taken by people awaiting important operations.

Also by the way the first week in August is when all new doctors start in hospitals. Usually more mistakes made that week than the rest of the year. Try not to go into hospital that week

It's not about deaths, it's about the pressure the Virus puts on the NHS. This should be the quietest period of the year for respiratory diseases, and when the NHS starts catching up on the backlog of elective surgery etc. Unlocking will make sure that isn't the case.

And that saying an unhealthy population equals an unhealthy economy is about to ring true.

[augie]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

For the record over the last month or so the amount of daily new cases here was between 400-500 on average - those numbers have now spiked to around 1100-1200 a day for past few days and we have had the usual knee jerk panic and hysteria What the media haven’t focused on as much is the fact that hospitals numbers are going down, and we were told all along that lockdowns were used to ensure that hospitals would not buckle under excess numbers, so there should be nothing to worry about What our deputy pm (as you English would call him) said a few weeks ago that it is important not to get carried away in hype of the expected spike in numbers, but that doesn’t suit the agenda of the doom and gloom merchants

Personally I would like a breakdown of the numbers of new cases in either here or the uk - are they mostly young people ? Are they people who haven’t been vaccinated yet ? What percentage of them have or are refusing to take the vaccine? That last one is the big question for me - people have the right to refuse the vaccine if they choose, but please don’t shove those numbers down people’s throats if they are cases of people who refuse to get vaccinated

[augie]

Btw I do support opening the countries up but I do think that face mask restrictions should stay in place, but funnily enough nightclubs are probably the only things I wouldn’t open yet

[Clummo99]

Bloody hell mate. I'm sorry I said anything now!

[nut flush gooner]

This is what people like SteveO and Augie want, let's open everything up and sod the consequences.

Herd immunity until everything gets overwhelmed again. Then back to lockdowns.

For the record over the last month or so the amount of daily new cases here was between 400-500 on average - those numbers have now spiked to around 1100-1200 a day for past few days and we have had the usual knee jerk panic and hysteria What the media haven’t focused on as much is the fact that hospitals numbers are going down, and we were told all along that lockdowns were used to ensure that hospitals would not buckle under excess numbers, so there should be nothing to worry about What our deputy pm (as you English would call him) said a few weeks ago that it is important not to get carried away in hype of the expected spike in numbers, but that doesn’t suit the agenda of the doom and gloom merchants

Personally I would like a breakdown of the numbers of new cases in either here or the uk - are they mostly young people ? Are they people who haven’t been vaccinated yet ? What percentage of them have or are refusing to take the vaccine? That last one is the big question for me - people have the right to refuse the vaccine if they choose, but please don’t shove those numbers down people’s throats if they are cases of people who refuse to get vaccinated

I suspect that you are asking for stats that aren't necessarily available yet. In the UK cases gone from below 3,000 in June to over 50,000 last week. For hospitalisations, Sir Patrick Vallance in a press briefing yesterday said 40% of hospitalisatons came from vaccinated people. Not all of those will be double jabbed.

The general consensus is that it's young males that are getting the infections more than any other group, following the Euros.