As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Ikechukwu1 wrote:If you'd told Leicester fans this time last summer that the manager who won them promotion to the PL and kept them up there by the skin of their teeth was going to get sacked, do you think any of them woulda named Ranieri (sacked by Greece) as a replacement?
Thats what you're supposed to have a competent board for. Mind you when they're as "knowledgeable" as our own
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But what do you take from that? -would you have been happy with Pearson or Ranieri at Arsenal, and would you want them now above Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, etc?
After all, what Leicester are 8 games away from achieving is, in my opinion, a greater achievement than anything Guardiola, Fergie, Mourinho and Wenger have ever achieved. In fact, none of them would dare take on such a challenge now that they've reached the top.
So how high should people rate Pearson and/or Ranieri? it's interesting as their stock was about zero a year ago.
Errrrrm. No. The overriding point of that it's plain braindead for anyone to claim there's nobody who could replace him when there's managers all over Europe on a fraction of his wages outperforming him. Look at Tuchel, look at Allegri, look at Enrique (granted amazing team but you still need to deliver) look at even Rui Vitoria etc. Without mentioning Joachim Low and so on. Fact is, when Wenker arrived here he was a nobody managing in Japan. Who is to say there isn't a superior manager managing somewhere?
Couldn't agree more.
But does "errrm no" mean you wouldn't want Ranieri or Pearson? - I know most people, and you especially, wax lyrical about the influence of Guardiola, Mourinho and Pochettino and believe the manager has a HUGE influence on a teams success, so surely Leicester winning the league would make their manager one of the best in history and someone you would want at Arsenal?
If not, why not? - just genuinely interested.
I don't know the answer myself; all I know is I wouldn't want either of them as I don't think they're good enough
Ikechukwu1 wrote:If you'd told Leicester fans this time last summer that the manager who won them promotion to the PL and kept them up there by the skin of their teeth was going to get sacked, do you think any of them woulda named Ranieri (sacked by Greece) as a replacement?
Thats what you're supposed to have a competent board for. Mind you when they're as "knowledgeable" as our own
.
But what do you take from that? -would you have been happy with Pearson or Ranieri at Arsenal, and would you want them now above Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, etc?
After all, what Leicester are 8 games away from achieving is, in my opinion, a greater achievement than anything Guardiola, Fergie, Mourinho and Wenger have ever achieved. In fact, none of them would dare take on such a challenge now that they've reached the top.
So how high should people rate Pearson and/or Ranieri? it's interesting as their stock was about zero a year ago.
Errrrrm. No. The overriding point of that it's plain braindead for anyone to claim there's nobody who could replace him when there's managers all over Europe on a fraction of his wages outperforming him. Look at Tuchel, look at Allegri, look at Enrique (granted amazing team but you still need to deliver) look at even Rui Vitoria etc. Without mentioning Joachim Low and so on. Fact is, when Wenker arrived here he was a nobody managing in Japan. Who is to say there isn't a superior manager managing somewhere?
That is the point that cannot be stressed enough and I cant fathom why it never gets mentioned in the whole "who would you replace him with" argument There isn't a single Gooner (apart from DD of course ) who had heard of wenker prior to his arrival, and I doubt very much if any of them were happy with his appointment either. I am not naïve enough to believe that appointing another "unknown" will have the same success that we had with wenger in the early years, but likewise I am not stupid enough to believe that it will take a top of the range manager to improve what we have got.
Chippy wrote:Just thinking about a possible protest and will hang this out there to get dog's abuse.
How about at 49 minutes the 49 undefeated song and then everyone takes out an A4 or A5 sheet of paper with "Thanks for the memories. Time to go." Shows that we respect his earlier achievements but the time is up. Plus the stewards couldn't find that amount of paper on individual gooners.
Do your worst.
whats needed it someone to organise printing of posters or making of banners (the gooner?)
i would happily buy a wenger out banner or contribute to the printing of posters
i just don't know anyone who would/can produce them
i know the 4 friend i go to the games with would do the same
GoonerMuzz wrote:Going back to the ST debate for a minute wouldn't the obvious choice be for those with seasons tickets who want him out to just not go to the match, make it loud and obvious and get as many ST holders involved as possible and make sure they didn't hand the tickets off to others to take their place, surely a large amount of empty seats would leave the club asking questions without people having to give up their ST's
Anyway i had my first rumble of discomfort over the possible departure of AW last night, i actually thought to myself (as Spuddy and others have said) what the hell happens if he gets to go upstairs?
What serious manager is going to take on our club with the thought of AW holding the purse strings over him? And to be honest anyone who thinks that AW will just leave it at the purse strings is either naive or worse, he has his fingers in every part of the Arsenal pie and will not give it up easily
That is where the problem lies, AW might give up the Managers spot if he was promised a different and superior role within the club and if that happened i genuinely can't see any top class manager coming in or if they did sticking around for long
That sounds like an excellent idea and it would/should keep everyone happy - the fans who want to keep their season tickets will still be able to protest and it will allow a real show of force in any planned protest. Lets face it lads, we have some very unappealing fixtures in the last few weeks of the season........would it be much of a sacrifice to get fans to boycott one game if they want a change of manager ? Believe me if 5k+ of season ticket holders leave their seats empty for a game, added to the amount of seats that will be empty anyway, it will be hugely noticeable and will be quickly blown up by the meeja I will quite willingly buy a seat on the ticket exchange and leave it empty for the match in question
MrT wrote:An ESPN journalist on twatter said ''Arsenal are looking to replace Wenger with Simeone on Pellegrini''
Eewww. Not sure I want to see that.
Simeone yes, Pellegrini no. Don't rate the latter at all, he's like a slightly improved version of Wenger, tactically inept and buffoonish.
No thanks Pellegrini. Had enough years of watching a grey-haired tactically clueless prick who doesn't give a second thought to defending. Lovely guy Pellegrini, but just more of the same. Arsenal need someone to completely shake up the club, and that ain't Pellegrini. Just imagine what Simeone would do to the collection of vaginas we have?
Giroud. Fuck off. Leave.
Hi Theo. Meet "el banquillo". Until you piss off, you'll rotate with the bench and training with the under 21s.
Mertesacker. Your Uber to Heathrow is outside.
Gibbs. They tell me you've been here almost 10 years. And yet I've no clue who the fuck you are. Fuera.
Coquelin. I hear you were ok for Charlton. I've packed your bags so you can bunk with Mr Sanogo over there.
Ramsey. You've got one chance - any more fancy flicks or overplaying and you're finished.
Imagine having a manager who restores the fear factor? Right now teams love playing us. Imagine if they started hating it the way Real and Barca hate having to play Atletico?! Everything Wenker has turned us into - spineless cowards, Simeone would undo. I keep hearing this bollocks about "he doesn't fit in with our style" - what "style" would that be? The one that sees us on course to have one of our lowest ever goal scoring seasons? The one that's seen one of our worst ever seasons? Or the one that's overseen a decade of failure? It's like the fans who had said they wouldn't want Suarez anywhere near Arsenal. Honestly what the fuck kinda people follow us these days?!
) who had heard of wenker prior to his arrival, and I doubt very much if any of them were happy with his appointment either. I am not naïve enough to believe that appointing another "unknown" will have the same success that we had with wenger in the early years, but likewise I am not stupid enough to believe that it will take a top of the range manager to improve what we have got.
