THE WENGER THREAD

[xisstential]

But when asked about his side's Champions League record, Wenger said: 'I'll give you the stats. We have to consider it game by game. You look at the positives and negatives and prepare for the next one.

'We have gone out against top sides, who went on and won the Champions League after.

'Only on one occasion we were completely guilty, against Monaco.

'The others were against Bayern and Barcelona twice.'

When asked whether the result could help the Gunners in their attempts to haul back Premier League leaders Leicester, Wenger added: ‘'I think yes, I am pleased with the performance.

There we go again, just one bad performance against Monaco, the others, all justified. Losses are taken in isolation.... avoid defeat 3 times in a row and it becomes "an unbeaten run"

Pity there was not one of the spineless gathered press who could find the time to reply to him "with the stadium debt under control, and £150m in reserve, wasnt the move from Highbury so the club could compete with the best in europe?".

Look...you people want everything overnight, these things take time. Next question??

[xisstential]

But when asked about his side's Champions League record, Wenger said: 'I'll give you the stats. We have to consider it game by game. You look at the positives and negatives and prepare for the next one.

'We have gone out against top sides, who went on and won the Champions League after.

'Only on one occasion we were completely guilty, against Monaco.

'The others were against Bayern and Barcelona twice.'

When asked whether the result could help the Gunners in their attempts to haul back Premier League leaders Leicester, Wenger added: ‘'I think yes, I am pleased with the performance.

There we go again, just one bad performance against Monaco, the others, all justified. Losses are taken in isolation.... avoid defeat 3 times in a row and it becomes "an unbeaten run"

If just one of the journalist pricks put him to task on such slip ups it would be interesting.

All they have to say is, 'Are you saying that if Bayern or Barca weren't in the competition you think you'd win it? If so, why do you bother with the top four or even turning up for any of the group matches if you can't win because of such superior teams?' Another question they could ask is 'Also, surely you can transfer your statement to the Premier league, and say "if Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea were not so heavily funded we'd be able to win the domestic Championship" as you don't look on course for it this year do you?'

And then he got ambushed by crisp money.....

[Ikechukwu1]

http://www.football365.com/news/ten-ing ... nal-season

[xisstential]

http://www.football365.com/news/ten-ing ... nal-season

It's absolutely spot on. EVERY single Arsenal supporter should read this. How can you argue with it, how can you dispute it, how can you excuse it, facts are facts. THIS is the reality under Wenger. This nonsense of living in maybe's, could be's, excuses, unadulterated spin....... THIS is the world we inhabit, year in,year out

[Ikechukwu1]

Another one for the record books: Lord A-Hole is now the first manager to have ever been knocked out in 6 consecutive CL round of 16 ties. Lionel Messi has now scored 9 CL goals against Arsenal, accounting for well over 10% of his total. No player has ever scored as many goals against a single opponent in CL history. Of course Messi is a Genius but then again, playing against a Wenker team...

We can add that to this season's records of being the first side to lose a CL match to Zagreb, and the first English side to lose to Olympiakos at home. Tbf Arsene paid us all back with that "magical night in Athens"

[postmanPat91]

It's a sorry state of affairs when 'not getting raped' is spun as a success story

Wenger must run the dressing room like a primary school team - 'spirit' and 'trying hard' is enough apparently

[Ikechukwu1]

A Gooner wrote this on World Soccer. Name is Stephen Heiner. Interesting...

"The Fans In an era when managers are sacked after one bad season (because soccer is a business now), Arsenal’s support of Wenger has been admirable. Even the infamous “thanks for the memories, but it’s time to say goodbye” banner that has occasionally been unfurled at the Emirates is respectful. But, the fans take whatever Arsenal gives to them. Highest season ticket prices in the Premier League? Check. Robust kit sales? Check. A waiting list tens of thousands deep to become a season ticket holder? Check. (I haven’t checked my spot in the queue recently, but I’m sure there are at least 20,000 people in front of me). Kroenke has made it clear he sees Arsenal as a business. Arsenal fans continue to delude themselves that they are supporting a current iteration of a football club, rather than an ever-fading memory best remembered at what was then The Home of Football, but is now, fittingly for Arsenal, condominiums. If only fans took Kroenke at his word – that this is a business – because then they could organize the sort of effective and successful actions that consumers take when they want businesses to change tack. But Arsenal fans are content to bemoan the Boss, or Kroenke, or say things like “all we need is a forward, a DM, and a CB.” They don’t realize that they have the power to demand change. It’s always easier to blame someone else though, innit? Read more at: https://tr.im/MteNG"

[blair207]

A Gooner wrote this on World Soccer. Name is Stephen Heiner. Interesting...

"The Fans In an era when managers are sacked after one bad season (because soccer is a business now), Arsenal’s support of Wenger has been admirable. Even the infamous “thanks for the memories, but it’s time to say goodbye” banner that has occasionally been unfurled at the Emirates is respectful. But, the fans take whatever Arsenal gives to them. Highest season ticket prices in the Premier League? Check. Robust kit sales? Check. A waiting list tens of thousands deep to become a season ticket holder? Check. (I haven’t checked my spot in the queue recently, but I’m sure there are at least 20,000 people in front of me). Kroenke has made it clear he sees Arsenal as a business. Arsenal fans continue to delude themselves that they are supporting a current iteration of a football club, rather than an ever-fading memory best remembered at what was then The Home of Football, but is now, fittingly for Arsenal, condominiums. If only fans took Kroenke at his word – that this is a business – because then they could organize the sort of effective and successful actions that consumers take when they want businesses to change tack. But Arsenal fans are content to bemoan the Boss, or Kroenke, or say things like “all we need is a forward, a DM, and a CB.” They don’t realize that they have the power to demand change. It’s always easier to blame someone else though, innit? Read more at: https://tr.im/MteNG"

There is a breakdown in the fan/ club relationship at Arsenal. The owner and manager have different objectives. IMO the exorbitant prices being charged and lack of real effort to challenge at the top level make this an abusive relationship. The board and Wenger are lying and encouraging false hope when they say the are on the shoulder of the top teams. There is no intention to take the hard decisions to take the club up a level.

[casgooner]

But when asked about his side's Champions League record, Wenger said: 'I'll give you the stats. We have to consider it game by game. You look at the positives and negatives and prepare for the next one.

'We have gone out against top sides, who went on and won the Champions League after.

'Only on one occasion we were completely guilty, against Monaco.

'The others were against Bayern and Barcelona twice.'

When asked whether the result could help the Gunners in their attempts to haul back Premier League leaders Leicester, Wenger added: ‘'I think yes, I am pleased with the performance.

There we go again, just one bad performance against Monaco, the others, all justified. Losses are taken in isolation.... avoid defeat 3 times in a row and it becomes "an unbeaten run"

We wouldn't have been playing a big team in the first knock out match some of the times, had we not played weakened sides who failed to win the group. Lovely spin there though.

[GoonerMuzz]

A Gooner wrote this on World Soccer. Name is Stephen Heiner. Interesting...

"The Fans In an era when managers are sacked after one bad season (because soccer is a business now), Arsenal’s support of Wenger has been admirable. Even the infamous “thanks for the memories, but it’s time to say goodbye” banner that has occasionally been unfurled at the Emirates is respectful. But, the fans take whatever Arsenal gives to them. Highest season ticket prices in the Premier League? Check. Robust kit sales? Check. A waiting list tens of thousands deep to become a season ticket holder? Check. (I haven’t checked my spot in the queue recently, but I’m sure there are at least 20,000 people in front of me). Kroenke has made it clear he sees Arsenal as a business. Arsenal fans continue to delude themselves that they are supporting a current iteration of a football club, rather than an ever-fading memory best remembered at what was then The Home of Football, but is now, fittingly for Arsenal, condominiums. If only fans took Kroenke at his word – that this is a business – because then they could organize the sort of effective and successful actions that consumers take when they want businesses to change tack. But Arsenal fans are content to bemoan the Boss, or Kroenke, or say things like “all we need is a forward, a DM, and a CB.” They don’t realize that they have the power to demand change. It’s always easier to blame someone else though, innit? Read more at: https://tr.im/MteNG"

There is a breakdown in the fan/ club relationship at Arsenal. The owner and manager have different objectives. IMO the exorbitant prices being charged and lack of real effort to challenge at the top level make this an abusive relationship. The board and Wenger are lying and encouraging false hope when they say the are on the shoulder of the top teams. There is no intention to take the hard decisions to take the club up a level.

There is no fan/club relationship at Arsenal, there is only a service provider/consumer relationship... why can't people get it into theirs heads that no-one in our hierarchy is interested in the football or the trophies, it is about the money and consumer loyalty.

Full stadium? Check
Merchandise Sales Up? Check
Revenue Increased? Check
Bare Minimum Outlay To Keep Status Quo? Check
Money making scheme successful with minimum overheads? Check
Guaranteed Increased future revenue? Check

All this equates to the Wenger/Kroenke Successful business model and whether we like it or not we are all guilty, from buying season tickets, to attending single matches, to merchandise, to Sky/BT subscriptions we follow the team and we pay money towards it even in themostroundabout way.

Oh and for those having a crack at ST holders, those who gave up their STs are just as culpable because you are not at the matches inside/outside the ground to protest and make your discontent felt, we can all bitch and moan on here but it means nothing and for the record i do include myself in that as i have not been to a home game since we moved to the bowl

[Wilson]

Tottenham or Leicester didnt have an owner with any ambitions of winning the league.

Sure it would be great if he had an Abramovich type owner who personally wanted to see success. But it isnt critical. Wenger has had enough resources, and time to win the league. That money in the bank is cash. It can only be spent on players, as what other means oculd it be used on? Wenger chose not to dip into it, and we are paying as a result.

[Midz]

[xisstential]

Tottenham or Leicester didnt have an owner with any ambitions of winning the league.

Sure it would be great if he had an Abramovich type owner who personally wanted to see success. But it isnt critical. Wenger has had enough resources, and time to win the league. That money in the bank is cash. It can only be spent on players, as what other means oculd it be used on? Wenger chose not to dip into it, and we are paying as a result.

Because he is, and has been for many years, hellbent on proving to the world that you can be smart, prudent, resourceful and build a winning team without breaking the bank. He has tried for over a decade and failed. Now Leicester are going to do it and he'll try taking credit as it's his concept. He of course failed, but we won't go into that......

Reminds me of the story of the beaver looking up at the gigantic Hoover dam and saying to his mate. "No I never actually built it but they based it on a concept of mine." That's Wenger!!

[augie]

Tottenham or Leicester didnt have an owner with any ambitions of winning the league.

Sure it would be great if he had an Abramovich type owner who personally wanted to see success. But it isnt critical. Wenger has had enough resources, and time to win the league. That money in the bank is cash. It can only be spent on players, as what other means oculd it be used on? Wenger chose not to dip into it, and we are paying as a result.

You don't think that levy had any ambitions to win the league ??

[xisstential]

Tottenham or Leicester didnt have an owner with any ambitions of winning the league.

Sure it would be great if he had an Abramovich type owner who personally wanted to see success. But it isnt critical. Wenger has had enough resources, and time to win the league. That money in the bank is cash. It can only be spent on players, as what other means oculd it be used on? Wenger chose not to dip into it, and we are paying as a result.

You don't think that levy had any ambitions to win the league ??

Levy pulled the trigger on squandering the Bale money in a vain attempt to win the league.