THE WENGER THREAD

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Arsene will, (rightly imo), be judged at the end of the season - that is fact.

Personally, im more of the opinion he should go at the end of the season, i just hope he leaves with his head held high because he deserves it as the greatest manager for this club will see in our lifetime, maybe ever.

He deserves stick, the team isnt good enough and he is making strange decisions all over the place - i dont need to go into it all.....i accept critiscm for him..but not the personal stuff - the man deserves respect - he gets none from the media. Steweart Robson is a massive, massive bitter prick.

Everybody sticks the boot in to Arsenal, everyone fucking loves it when we are down - id love it if manage to throw some eggs in their faces......but i doubt it...... :?

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Arsene will, (rightly imo), be judged at the end of the season - that is fact.

Personally, im more of the opinion he should go at the end of the season, i just hope he leaves with his head held high because he deserves it as the greatest manager for this club will see in our lifetime, maybe ever.

He deserves stick, the team isnt good enough and he is making strange decisions all over the place - i dont need to go into it all.....i accept critiscm for him..but not the personal stuff - the man deserves respect - he gets none from the media. Steweart Robson is a massive, massive bitter prick.

Everybody sticks the boot in to Arsenal, everyone fucking loves it when we are down - id love it if manage to throw some eggs in their faces......but i doubt it...... :?

Is that you Mr Keegan :shock: :wink: :lol:

Seriously you are saying that no other manager in the world in the next 50 years (60/70 for some of the younger posters on here) can achieve what Wenger has?

That is a Massive call.

And in my opinion he has only done slightly better than GG (in a lot longer time) and had HC not died suddenly we wouldn't even consider him our best ever manager, not even near it.

I think Arsene has done a great job up until 2008 since when he has got worse with every season and being the best paid manager in PL and 4th in the world it's not anywhere near good enough now.
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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:Arsene will, (rightly imo), be judged at the end of the season - that is fact.

Personally, im more of the opinion he should go at the end of the season, i just hope he leaves with his head held high because he deserves it as the greatest manager for this club will see in our lifetime, maybe ever.

He deserves stick, the team isnt good enough and he is making strange decisions all over the place - i dont need to go into it all.....i accept critiscm for him..but not the personal stuff - the man deserves respect - he gets none from the media. Steweart Robson is a massive, massive bitter prick.

Everybody sticks the boot in to Arsenal, everyone fucking loves it when we are down - id love it if manage to throw some eggs in their faces......but i doubt it...... :?

Is that you Mr Keegan :shock: :wink: :lol:

Seriously you are saying that no other manager in the world in the next 5o years (60/70 for some of the younger posters on here) can achieve what Wenger has?

That is a Massive call.

And in my opinion he has only done slightly better than GG (in a lot longer time) and had HC not died suddenly we wouldn't even consider him our best ever manager, not even near it.

I think Arsene has done a great job up until 2008 since when he has got worse with every season and being the best paid manager in PL and 4th in the world it's not anywhere near good enough now.
Nobody in their right mind is going to deny that Wenger was a top top manager for the first half of his reign. And if he'd walked away in 2006, he would have been remembered unconditionally as a legend and probably our best ever manager. Or in 2008. Or even in 2010, he would have had pretty much no blemish on his record when his achievements were viewed as a whole. Because he's dragged it out so long then to be blunt half of his reign was fantastic, and the other half has been one protracted disappointment. In time he will be remembered solely for his legendary achievements, but certainly in the short- to medium-term after he leaves many fans will fairly remain bitter towards what the club has become under him.

Stewart Robson is a bitter bloke and clearly has an agenda, but reality is he knows far more about the goings-on inside the club than you or I, or any ITKs out there. He may be an angry man but I highly doubt that he comes on TV and just brazenly makes up lies about the club, and tbh the more I know about what goes on in the club the happier I am. The one thing our club has undeniably lacked in the last few years is transparency.

As for respect, well it's a two-way street. I will always hugely and unquestionably respect his achievements in the Highbury era, I will always respect the man he was, his innovation and his desire. But I will no longer hold him in high esteem and respect given his constant tantrums on the touchline, his constant misleading and lying to the fans, his pig-headed arrogance that has seen us slide further and further, and his clear belief that the fans have no right to voice any opinion as they haven't managed for 3 decades. Particularly when he's taking home the salary he does, and particularly in light of the fact that we are about as far a cry from the pride, professionalism and class that Arsenal always stood for as any club in the PL right now.

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I've just bought four tickets to take the family to Swansea on 6th Jan. Please don't fucking ask me why I think I've finally flipped

Has anyone got one of those "I love AW" T-shirts that I can borrow for the day? Is there a Red Action section for away games these days as I need to know in which part of the ground I'll be able to lick windows safe in the knowledge that it won't stand out from the crowd

All jokes aside, happy to meet up with any of the regulars on here that are equally fucking mad to go down there. I'll be with Mrs SteveO and the Junior SteveO's so look out for 3 people enjoying themselves and a miserable fucking saying "why isn't Abou playing"?

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SteveO 35 wrote: All jokes aside, happy to meet up with any of the regulars on here that are equally fucking mad to go down there. I'll be with Mrs SteveO and the Junior SteveO's so look out for 3 people enjoying themselves and a miserable fucking saying "why isn't Abou playing"?
Ahhh, nothing beats your material-like love for Abou :barscarf:

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SteveO 35 wrote:I've just bought four tickets to take the family to Swansea on 6th Jan. Please don't fucking ask me why I think I've finally flipped

Has anyone got one of those "I love AW" T-shirts that I can borrow for the day? Is there a Red Action section for away games these days as I need to know in which part of the ground I'll be able to lick windows safe in the knowledge that it won't stand out from the crowd

All jokes aside, happy to meet up with any of the regulars on here that are equally fucking mad to go down there. I'll be with Mrs SteveO and the Junior SteveO's so look out for 3 people enjoying themselves and a miserable fucking saying "why isn't Abou playing"?
You poor poor man. At least it will be educational for the kids as you can show them what towns used to look like in the early Industrial Revolution era as you pass Port Talbot on the M4.

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Some interesting debates on Goal.com even the infamous Babatunde has been resurrected:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/pre ... at-arsenal

The divide between pro/anti Wenger is astonishing. I tried to post the petition on various sites only for them to be deleted/removed by moderator. I see a long old road ahead of us if not even the fans can agree on what we want....

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... alone.html

Wenger said: ‘I am responsible for the football front, I don't expect Stan Kroenke to intervene.

‘The way to support me is to let me do my work and do my job, I don't expect anything else. I'm very determined and very hungry - if I wasn't I wouldn't be here.

‘I love the club, I sit here and show how much I love the club. We have been through difficult periods before and I know how to turn this around because I have been here 16 years.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2F2hKzBsk
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Kroenke and the board are a bunch of shits but this should leave the AKBs in no doubt as to where the blame lies for the footballing debacle that is our present situation.

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Wenger is a great manager and I have been a long time supporter of his but when people spend such a long amount of time in a job their performance often declines and alas, this is the case with Arsene. I hope he can go out on a high but we dont look like even challenging for trophies atm. He should peacefully resign at the end of this season or when his contract is up at the end of 2014 and we should bring in a young, talented manager to inject a fresh lease of life into the club and freshen things up, things seem to have become stale and we are not improving :cry:

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Why does Wenger keep saying our away form is good and consistent? :?

We've won 2 out of 8 away games in the league (United have won 7, chavs 4 and Sp*rs 4) - that's nothing to be proud of Arsene, and the fact he's okay with it is further proof of how far we've fallen :(

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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 18133.html

Ian Wright: Arsene Wenger 'does not tell the truth' and his supporters are 'deluded'
"I feel there are a lot of deluded Arsenal fans who are out in the wilderness still saying 'in Arsene we trust' and stuff like that."
"You hear him doing interviews afterwards saying, 'I have got a great team with a great spirit', but we are not seeing that," Wright said.

"He does not tell the truth for me, he does not say what is happening.

"What is going on? Have you got any money to spend or haven't you? Is it the fact the board are giving you the money and you are not spending?

"Is that too hard a question to answer for Arsenal?"


:barscarf: :barscarf:


Wrighty has said some questionable things in the past but I am glad Wenger's empire is finally crumbling around him.

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SteveO 35 wrote:Gazidis has a perfect opportunity here to redeem himself in my opinion

If he really is sincere in what he says about Wenger having substantial funds to improve the squad, and that he is sympathetic to fans concerns, then he should be having a very simple conversation with Wenger - along the lines of "we expect to see the money invested because the team quite clearly isn't good enough and we'd expect that to result in a top 4 finish. If you chose not to do it and we finish outside the top 4 that's the end of the line".

Very simple, if Lord Wenger wants to live by this stubbornness then he should also die by it

The problem is I really don't believe what Gazidis is saying at all. He's a professional marketeer whose job it is to keep fans onside
Any chance he can try teaching Gervinho ??

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Been asking an Arsene supportor to give reasons why we should keep him. So far he hasn't replied. Quite disappointed.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ll-1489566


The above is todays press conference

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