THE WENGER THREAD

[BFG4]

I’m all for Wenger leaving, im not going to go into why I hope he could leave on a high at the end of the season as a) its not going to happen and b) I don’t think he will be leaving!

The only way he would walk is with pressure from the fans but i don’t think even that’s really enough. I agree with the sentiments of the banner and people’s rights to show it – but not a huge fan of them myself. As for all the fighting, I hear a lot of whining from those holding the banner.......but what would the reaction be if someone showed an “Arsene is god one”? Probably receive the same treatment.

I want him gone at the end of the season, but it won’t happen. So what can we hope for? I hate the Emirates at the moment, it’s depressing, its vicious at times and i genuinely believe its cost us a couple of points across the season.

The only way I can see out of it is if he says publicly he will stand down at the end of 2017. The bile will stop, he will get one more crack at it and both sides will be happy knowing its coming to an end and maybe the support for the team and manager might improve massively on matchdays. Maybe that way there is a (small) chance he can indeed leave on a high.

Have you never seen the "In Arsene we trust banner"? Also, it's the AKB'S who resort to violence when they see something they don't like.

[Ikechukwu1]

He's now saying that criticism from fans about his management is undermining our bid to win the league.

Yeah, sorry Arsene, our fault again, could never be yours could it old chum? Clearly our fault. Sorry to have ever thought that any of the shit last few weeks could ever have been down to you.

Hope you'll forgive us...

Don't forget that before the fans (who subsidise that laughable salary) ruined this season for him, it was the fault of all those clubs who tapped up his players. Before that it was oil money. And before that it was injuries. And before that it was the weather forecast etc etc

[Redarmy]

How's the most cheerful corner of the Arsenal online world?

still championing a losing horse? What is it now; a decade of wanting our best ever manager out?

Arsenal's 'managerouters' are the crappest going. A decade of failure! Bottom of the ManagerOuter league by some distance.

Hey ho! Good luck. UTA.

Shit.....what precscription are you on FFS....would not mind some of that myself

[Henry Norris 1913]

"keeping" us in the top four is what he will be judged by in terms of his actual job security, and the media. a lot of akb's have been brainwashed into thinking this is the be all and end all, disregarding the fact that wenger has huge resources at his disposal that entitle us to expect a bit of a challenge, and he is on the biggest salary in the league right now if i'm not mistaken- earning twice as much as pocchetino?!

thing is, not only are we underachieving with the squad we have, we're underachieving in the first place by having the squad we have!

fucking beggars belief that people still churn out the all beauties "be careful what you wish for" etc, it's a fucking cult. anyone who has read 1984 by george orwell will know what i'm talking about, i swear i'm not even exaggerating he's even resorted to trying to erase any history of previous european success at the club!

i won't be surprised if next time i go to the bowl, all 3 statues will have been altered overnight while no-one was looking to look like wenger, the honours list around the ground will all include the top four trophies, and the letters outside the south entrance will actually spell "arsene" instead of arsenal

[Offside]

"keeping" us in the top four is what he will be judged by in terms of his actual job security, and the media. a lot of akb's have been brainwashed into thinking this is the be all and end all, disregarding the fact that wenger has huge resources at his disposal that entitle us to expect a bit of a challenge, and he is on the biggest salary in the league right now if i'm not mistaken- earning twice as much as pocchetino?!

thing is, not only are we underachieving with the squad we have, we're underachieving in the first place by having the squad we have!

fucking beggars belief that people still churn out the all beauties "be careful what you wish for" etc, it's a fucking cult. anyone who has read 1984 by george orwell will know what i'm talking about, i swear i'm not even exaggerating he's even resorted to trying to erase any history of previous european success at the club!

i won't be surprised if next time i go to the bowl, all 3 statues will have been altered overnight while no-one was looking to look like wenger, the honours list around the ground will all include the top four trophies, and the letters outside the south entrance will actually spell "arsene" instead of arsenal

You notice how Pochettino didn't brag about having a "British core". He just quietly let his English boys get on with it, no hubris, no special photoshoots or banners outside the ground, and look at how it's paying dividends.

[xisstential]

How's the most cheerful corner of the Arsenal online world?

still championing a losing horse? What is it now; a decade of wanting our best ever manager out?

Arsenal's 'managerouters' are the crappest going. A decade of failure! Bottom of the ManagerOuter league by some distance.

Hey ho! Good luck. UTA.

Shit.....what precscription are you on FFS....would not mind some of that myself

Acid, seemingly....

[northbank123]

He's now saying that criticism from fans about his management is undermining our bid to win the league.

Yeah, sorry Arsene, our fault again, could never be yours could it old chum? Clearly our fault. Sorry to have ever thought that any of the shit last few weeks could ever have been down to you.

Hope you'll forgive us...

Amazed it's taken this long for him to trot it out. As usual though with Wenger it's calculated - had he said it straight after the Swansea game then he would have been lambasted by everybody such was the dire level of performance and following the shower of shite at Old Trafford for which no excuse is plausible. Instead he waits for the end of the international break after two weeks of no focus on England and features on Leicester and Spurs.

Although his sanity is seriously questionable, SteveI does make a genuine point about the futility of this anti-Wenger sentiment. I just think that half of the fans that go to the home games aren't particularly bothered - Highbury wasn't perfect atmosphere-wise but all the people I sat near knew their stuff and cared. At the Emirates I've spent tens (if not hundreds) of games surrounded by people who shell out well north of a grand on a ST to sit there in silence, express no opinion, clap politely when appropriate and seem generally disinterested.

Whilst the issue of Wenger is a divisive one and frankly AKBs are the ones fuelling the issue and continued flailing of the club, I do have a certain basic level of respect for any person who loves the club and is passionate in their views. But whilst I have long since resisted slagging off the ST holders of the club en masse, in my view there are thousands upon thousands of them who don't fit into that category.

[northbank123]

Also spot on about that British Core embarrassment. Will be a great 'where are they now?' question in 2 or 3 years but for now it's probably 300k a week down the drain.

[Steve_I]

To think the negativity in the crowd doesn't effect the team is naive at best. I've not a problem with people expressing views constructively but can and never will accept that at the ground, home or away, the crowd should do anything but support the team, including the manager, during the game and indeed, throughout the season.

I saw today, some kid post a thing about why he's 'left Arsenal to support man city' and this is directly as a result of listening to the dross spouted by ill informed, self opinionated nonsense about Arsene Wenger being a failure. It beggars belief that, while he is by no means perfect, people are selective in what they choose to hear or requote, quite clearly to suit their own narrative.

It has long been the case on here that people can't see the wood for the trees and for that I'm sad that the self perpetuating tosh that is spouted, adds to peoples misery.

Meanwhile I'll continue to support the team as best I can, whoever is in charge, and refuse to contemplate ever doing anything to lower the teams morale ( and the negativism can't fail to do so otherwise why do fans exist?) even if it means no one follows me on Twitter. I'm comfortable with my views and my informed opinions, I doubt that many of the opposing view re our manager are truly so.

[northbank123]

You heard it here first - you're not allowed to say a bad word about the manager or any player during the game because otherwise some kid might go off and support City instead. Let that weigh on your conscience.

[GoonerMuzz]

"keeping" us in the top four is what he will be judged by in terms of his actual job security, and the media. a lot of akb's have been brainwashed into thinking this is the be all and end all, disregarding the fact that wenger has huge resources at his disposal that entitle us to expect a bit of a challenge, and he is on the biggest salary in the league right now if i'm not mistaken- earning twice as much as pocchetino?!

thing is, not only are we underachieving with the squad we have, we're underachieving in the first place by having the squad we have!

fucking beggars belief that people still churn out the all beauties "be careful what you wish for" etc, it's a fucking cult. anyone who has read 1984 by george orwell will know what i'm talking about, i swear i'm not even exaggerating he's even resorted to trying to erase any history of previous european success at the club!

i won't be surprised if next time i go to the bowl, all 3 statues will have been altered overnight while no-one was looking to look like wenger, the honours list around the ground will all include the top four trophies, and the letters outside the south entrance will actually spell "arsene" instead of arsenal

This is one of my main problems with the man, he has recruited and coached the squad, he is the one who selects the match day team and ultimately should be the one who the buck stops with when things go wrong but for some reason our own 'Teflon Don' manages to sidestep criticism and responsibility for the clubs problems over and over.

I've mentioned it before but I genuinely believe that AW no longer attracts top class players as a manager you would want to play for and who you can learn from, i'm not even convinced Arsenal FC is the draw it was 10 years ago unfortunately and i'm more than convinced that for Top Class players who are looking to be successful, getting trophies and medals ie. the real footballers not the ones only interested in money, they wont want to come to Arsenal because they can see what we have become, a has been, also ran, happy to settle for mediocrity club under our current manager.

It will take years for the club to recover once he has gone, probably multiple managers, changes on the board, a clear out of the back room staff in all departments not just on the footballing side, all of this would need to happen before any semblance of real ambition could come back into our club, depressing as it may be i defy anyone to tell me otherwise in your heart of hearts

[armchair]

It will take years for the club to recover once he has gone, probably multiple managers, changes on the board, a clear out of the back room staff in all departments not just on the footballing side, all of this would need to happen before any semblance of real ambition could come back into our club, depressing as it may be i defy anyone to tell me otherwise in your heart of hearts

Yes, unfortunately it will probably take a long time to instill a winning mentality throughout the club and to rid the place of Wengers failed processes and practices. The whole place is infested with the comfortable cushion of mediocrity with no-one, absolutely no-one calling anyone to task for underperformance. Everyone just ambling along, settling for top four, picking up a pay cheque, not rocking the boat. Cushty.

[BFG4]

To think the negativity in the crowd doesn't effect the team is naive at best. I've not a problem with people expressing views constructively but can and never will accept that at the ground, home or away, the crowd should do anything but support the team, including the manager, during the game and indeed, throughout the season.

I saw today, some kid post a thing about why he's 'left Arsenal to support man city' and this is directly as a result of listening to the dross spouted by ill informed, self opinionated nonsense about Arsene Wenger being a failure. It beggars belief that, while he is by no means perfect, people are selective in what they choose to hear or requote, quite clearly to suit their own narrative.

It has long been the case on here that people can't see the wood for the trees and for that I'm sad that the self perpetuating tosh that is spouted, adds to peoples misery.

Meanwhile I'll continue to support the team as best I can, whoever is in charge, and refuse to contemplate ever doing anything to lower the teams morale ( and the negativism can't fail to do so otherwise why do fans exist?) even if it means no one follows me on Twitter. I'm comfortable with my views and my informed opinions, I doubt that many of the opposing view re our manager are truly so.

I have news for you, Wenger is a failure. We haven't won a league title in 12 years, and haven't even finished in the top two since 2005. We are about to miss out on a league title to either of two inferior teams in Leicester or Spurs. Let me guess, he isn't a failure because we have qualified for the CL so often? We have just been knocked out of the competition at the last 16 stage for the 6th season in a row. What part of the above does not equal failure? I have also not mentioned his clueless approach to tactics, his embarrassing approach to the transfer market, and his pre-historic training methods.

[mcdowell42]

I see our next manager just left his job at Aston Villa by mutual consent.

[MrT]

You heard it here first - you're not allowed to say a bad word about the manager or any player during the game because otherwise some kid might go off and support City instead. Let that weigh on your conscience.

Steve I is a drive by WUM, won't see him for months then pops up out of nowhere to declare his love for his dear leader, baits people into a fight and then fucks off into pitiful obscurity. Best ignored.